Growing up in socialist Hungary, and being a young adult in 1989 at the time of system change, I am very much used to the russian way of propaganda. Btw love the term disinfolklore 💙 as a name for it . For an informed person, that kind of propaganda was and is insulting, with it's primitive manupulation. The same methods they used back then to promote "socialism", "peace", "internationalism" (meaning wars and interventions). I hated it back then and after Putin was nominated in 1999, I immediately started to hear the same kind of rhetoric. Well - he is a KGB man through and through so it was clear what will happen to the russian society .
Hungary wasn't socialist, it was an authoritarian, surveillance state. The Soviet system was basically a feudal system with a monarch/leader who had an aristocracy of thugs and apparatchiks who maintained control of a very poor society whilst living comfortably themselves. Orwellian pigs. Calling yourself "socialist" doesn't make you a socialist. There has never been an actual socialist or communist society.
Perhaps you can play a role in warning Americans against the ills of following the "socialism" and "internationalism" tracks in the future. It never ends well....
Brilliant!! Thank You I was married to a Serbian and he would often try and change history in my mind. It was unbelievable that he truly could not speak the truth. He was brought up that way!
The guy is clueless about west. It’s bizarre because his understanding of russia and its methods is relatively ok, while in case of the west he is missing the elephant in the room (that is commies subverting and dismantling the west)
This has been one of my favorites that you have produced. So insightful and thought provoking. Thank you for creating it. Going look for the first discussion with this guest now
Yeah, an inspiration to corruption, graft, and grifting. This war never needed to happen but Z-boi decided to break the Minsk accords to get wealthy and join the big boys club of the West. When he loses he'll flee to Israel while the rest of the Ukrainians pay for his decisions. Real brave guy.
I realy loved this interview. It tied together and opened up many connections from literature I have read E.G. Crime & Punishment. Gave me a new insight. Excellent.
🖥Thanks Jonathon. Good work. When bots cry, you know you are getting to the truth. PS.. Cyber-losses now estimated reaching $10 billion for RU economy.🖥⚡🔥😎
This video is pure gold.... weaving together the personalities, the geopolitics, and even tying in the psychological and bringing in the fatalist mindset of certain Russian authors...... this is absolutely some of the best stuff on RUclips. I love Silicon Curtain....
Except he's a coward who deletes all the contrary comments. A coward like Zelensky who can't stand any opposition so he outlaws it. This channel is an echo chamber of neo-con chickenhawks.
I unsubscribed from a lot of channels after the election. I decided I need to keep Trump out of my living room and my conciousness for my own mental health. It's poison just like what Putin spews.But I'm keeping your channel.
So when Putin rambles on about what His people pumped into Western Culture, the Trump points out that those same things are bad.... Do you even know where your mindset comes from?
I am telling my fellow dudes about this new movie I was told to watch about some women dressed like little red riding hood being abused by 'the big bad wolf'. I think it is called The Handmade Tail. I guess it is supposed to help us figure out the struggles women go through when trying to kill their little girls asleep in their mother's womb and mature thoughtful people try to stop them.
Nothing to "turn on." Trump and America doesn't owe this little grifting troll anything. Trump will simply put America first, which means Zelensky's grift will end and the Ukraine will go back to what it's been for hundreds of years, part of Russia.
@@maxlevett7474 No. And it's most probably full of deadly to humans parasites and viruses, everybody knows this... except a few "civilizations" I shan't name here whom routinely do eat "pets", google them.
@@DSAK55 @DSAK55 Yeah, that was over the top, even if true. I would have advised President Trump to ignore the rumors, period. What is a problem, in my opinion, is that both political parties are out of control. What kind of control? Good Question... Let me know if you figure it out. I truly see a lack of competition in the 'free' press. I don't see civics in our schools. I don't see ethics in our business schooling. My belief in God and Country aside; I'm not advocating a Christian America. Those items above merely speak to a self regulation. Every single human trying to not do bad against any other; just because. The only special interest is: We The People. It's time we stand up, get involved, educate ourselves and our children to build an ever improving America. 🇺🇸
@@liameoin5416 While I fully agree that the brits were the "stick" that was stirring the pot in Ireland you can beat your boots that the Soviet Union had a hand steering that stick.
Lol, that's some hardcore revisionism. If anything the KGB supported the IRA, but they didn't start the thing, That was hundreds of years in the brewing, even before the Reformation.
@@liameoin5416 as the grandson of a republican patriot who assisted during the 1920's (& served a bit of time in Mt. Joy as a result), i only partly agree and mostly disagree and also have the impression that the Soviets, with their unimaginably large sprawling network of all manner of operators of one shade or another, were behind the troubles, and naturally were behind many of the post colonial struggles in the '1950's and '60's and '70's. The size of USSR and todays RU's security and info apparatus (it's really one unit in a hybrid form that no other country has anything remotely similar to) is truly hard to grasp, around a million actual professionals, and millions of other minions helping. It is frankly the most impressive info-operations network in the history of humanity, AND it's actively trying to literally take down the entire basis of western civilization, i.e the freedom & joy of love of life (& each other) itself, as seen in how the politics of individual self-agency came to be, through the Englightment period of euro history., etc
An absolute corker of a session Jonathan, I love all that lugubrious stuff involving Dostoevsky, Wagner, Gogol and Goethe!! The lovely associations your subject made about the 3 billygoats gruff crossing the bridge with the narky troll scaring them off - I used to have nightmares about a troll coming out of my wardrobe when I was a young child 45 or 50 years ago and do you know what? Despite my immense capacity for introspection, I had never made that connection between perhaps that story and my nightmares although believe me when I say that my provincial (albeit, in fairness professional) parents werent exactly of delicate of sensibility when it came to the sort of material they would read to me and my even younger brother 😂😂😂 Little Red Riding Hood with the granny eating wolf who then dragged up in the old woman's apron and bonnet the better to disguise itself, the Boy who cried wolf, all manner of Æsop's Fables many of which are quite "a lot" for a seven year old - and of course the absolutely terrifying tales of the mercurial (and therefore even creepier) Baba Yaga and her cottage on chicken legs deep in the forest who would eat children and boil their bones and gnash her iron teeth when angered! You REALLY can see all the undertones of that, particularly I believe the further east you go and by the time you get to Siberia, you're well away from the pious, icon kissing, rosary bead clutching ladies in veils crossing themselves and genuflecting autonomically and well into ancient crones in layers of mismatched patchwork shawls and scarves surrounded by tchotchkes - animal skulls, rabbit feet, dried flowers, kitschy brass charms and all manner of smoked glass "crystals" and woollen dollies and a knack with tea leaves who for a ruble will tell your fortune and find you a mate. I KNOW it's deeply unfashionable to denigrate other cultures and not to "value them" differently but equally. Sorry, but I can smell the filthy hovel from here and I KNOW they can't help it that they've lived as close to the poverty line as it's possible to be without falling into the abyss - no better off than a 19th Century serf - or frankly a 16th century one. And all the concomitant disadvantages that abject poverty brings - lack of education, lack of healthcare, lack of access to the law all massively exacerbated by the endemic, crippling corruption. But when does it reach the point Jonathan, where enough is enough? We still had the tail ends of rationing in the mid 1950s - no wonder we took to rock n roll of the rest of that decade and the sex and psychedelia and freedom of the following one. And we'd only had 15 years of it with only 6 of those actively at war - and of those 6 only perhaps 2 or 3 where the Luftwaffe bombers, German artillery firing at us from the Continent and the V1 and V2 rockets were sent in. About a decade ago I had an eye procedure at St Thoms's and getting the 155 from Westminster Bridge Road, I fell to talking with an elderly but sprightly woman with whom I exchanged glances due to my wearing of a very prominent eye patch bandage which I duly told her why and of course then the ice is broken and as we both lived in Streatham we had a good 25 minutes or so to really get going and it transpired she had lived there her whole life and of course that proved irresistible to me and asked her everything i could think of about her experiences and even now Jonathan I'm getting goosebumps remembering what she said. But this is the thing, Jonathan - despite the "we're all in it together" and "Long live the King" and baking "apple" pie using swede and making gnats' piss tea by using the bag 17 times and all that codswallop - Jonathan the country was hacked off with it. A MUCH duller story than the aristocratic Churchill's glamour and patriarchal stolidity and the Army's derring do - is the fact that the Labour ministers did an astonishingly good job of keeping all "the machinery" of a country going - hospitals and schools - even seminaries - on top of the Almighty task of ensuring there was enough food and clean water - and all the million other things to keep us in the ring with Jerry. No wonder Labour got in after it was all over because the country had bloody great holes in it that needed organisation, order and a boring methodical approach that Churchill would have been bored to death with. Why mention all this? Because over the years we have changed, reacted snd adapted. While Russians seem stuck in a loop and sorry but I just dont believe it's because of all the propaganda. And btw, after the IMMENSE privation, Churchill was deadly serious about attacking the Russians after the Germans capitulated - now come off it - if Churchill saw the danger 80 bloody years ago, we should have seen it all along. I know Stalin was still on the throne and history tells us things were surprisingly good all things considered during the Krushchev years - but ANYTHING would have been better so it hardly counts and of course "better" is all relative - while we were running around in Minis and MGs and Jags, Russians had outdoor toilets and a bike - if they were lucky. And while Sergei of the Ushanka Show talks winningly about his rather charmed life (ironically in the then Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine....) most of that is a) because his dad had a comparitively good job and did his fair share of wheeling and dealing and b) because by the 70s when he was growing up, you COULD buy a more cosmopolitan range of goods c) there was no instant media like today so the Communist party COULD realistically and reliably fill the country with pride having won the space race and got nuclear - power gen and fearsome bombs - but even then Jonathan you can see the creeping rot the underlying knowledge that the system was creaking - and a sort of psychological cancer ate away at anyone with a few connections and was in the know; essentially that most all of their science and tech was stolen - like the Chinese today. And the fact the quality of life of the average Russian has been so low for so long just makes it all the more incredible to me not that they haven't risen up and demanded change. Vlad Vexler has rightly spoken of EVERY heartbreaking opportunity the Russians have missed - it's just agony. But at the same time, that would just not be tolerated by Brits. For Christ's sake we had a mass uprising in 1381 already that while ultimately repressed, put the fear of God into the top brass and while whether the Peasants Revolt created the change in social conditions or merely sped up what was already happening is moot - but the point is Brits were already boisterous and ballsy by the bloody 14th century - no slaves were we. And I'll be honest, I was somewhat surprised to hear you didn't "get" the jokes having failed to appreciate just how deeply that "everything we touch turns to shit" schtick runs with those bloomin' Russkies. You can see it from HERE. There's a CHILDISHNESS that runs through the core of Russians - a sulky, pouting resentfulness that so WANTS to be loved, admired and INCLUDED - but like the unpopular kid at school, if you're just not likable, you're unlikable and it doesnt matter what you do - in fact tryjng to be nice makes it worse and that gets to people. It's less "clues" - more bloody great signposts that have been pointing to the crapulous great smelly heap of a country, perceiving its European neighbours' distaste for decades - centuries in fact. Even the pilot of the Tu-144 "Konkordski" who was demo-ing the plane at the Paris Air Show mid 70s - having seen Concorde do a stately and fairly dull pass with no barrelrolls or loop-the-loop - like a bratty kid (and I can just HEAR the Python-esque cod-Russian accent) "You wait to see what WE can do" - thinking him and his team were gonna blow the tits off everyone present with their "superior" jet - and of course stuffed the fucking thing and - GAAAAAHHHHD this is just so Russian - killed more people on the ground than the incompetent arsehole ended of his own people on board. Again, exactly as you and the nice Irish fella said "everythjng they touch turns to shit" - but the real significance of tbat is that while they havent been given the intelligence to do anything about it, they've got just enough to know they're subpar. They KNOW they're great, awkward lunks. It must be CRIPPLING to know that you have to cheat at everything to make your mark and have no real way of persuasion about you - it's my way or off to the dungeons with you. No wonder they're angry, confused, resentful and aggressive. It's all right there in front of our eyes Jonathan - with Putain that son of a whore right up front. Vladimir Kara-Murza would be brilliant, I'm sure as next President of Russia once the current one has been flung from the Kremlin walls - but there's just NO WAY the mindset of enough Russians will adjust enough - and QUICKLY enough - for the poor dear heart to have the FAINTEST chance. I'm sorry but i think Russia's gonna have to disintegrate and reform into smaller states like it all did in 1991. And I dont think the USA has the power to stop that and neither will it do anything whem China takes over much of the Far East which it is ITCHING to do as a nice booby prize - bubbling with oil and with bedrock made of platinum and diamonds - but that's a WHOLE other story..... Brilliant - loved this, it was RIGHT up my straße!
"Don't you cross my bridge or I'll eat you. Said the giant with a terrible roar. Please don't eat me sir 'cause I'm tiny. And my brother's right behind and he weighs a great deal more. So the giant let him pass and he sang this song, I'll just wait here 'till (I can't recall the names) comes along." 😁
What a great discussion, maybe one of the most important so far, thank you Stephen Douglas & Jonathon! Understanding russia’s methods of psychological manipulation is crucial to combatting & dismantling it… the west is so far behind the ball but hopefully it’s not too late if this information is widely shared & understood
Mr, Douglas made a good point at the start of the show regarding Trump's trolling. Due to the power of the POTUS account he was the greatest 💩poster on the planet until Elon bought Twitter.
Years too late. The war would be over if Biden did that earlier and delivered the aid approved by congress. The war has been so mismanaged. Nothing changed that makes striking Russia now any different than a year ago. The restrictions are lifted now because Biden just feels like doing it.
Incredibly useful discussion guys. I am amazed that some of these conclusions I’ve worked out by myself, but you guys are pro, and decoded a lot more of this “book of disinformation “ that seems to be used all around the world
Have you not been watching the last years ? They mock everyone , Brandon , Boris , Macron , Scholz ....... it's their thing. Personally i thought they are just jealous.
@50-50_Grind watch and learn. Remember, Trump clearly called on Europeans to stop buying russian oil and to invest in their own defence and your leaders ridiculed him for it. Trump understood what was better for Europeans than the European leaders did
"A Speech About Listening (Or Not Listening, Very Sad, Very Sad)" Folks, let me tell you something, okay? And this is something, believe me, nobody is talking about it, but they should be. You know, people used to love listening to me. They loved it. Tremendous crowds. They said, “Sir, we could listen to you forever!” They did, they said that. And you know what? They were smart people. Very smart people. Some of the smartest people. Probably the smartest people you've ever met. Maybe in history. Tremendous IQs. Bigly IQs. But now-now, folks, I'm hearing, and this is really sad, folks, really, really sad-I’m hearing people can’t even bear to listen to me. Can you believe it? They say things like, "Oh, when Trump talks, my brain gets all melty-melted," or "Sir, I don’t understand anything you’re saying anymore." These are the losers saying this. The haters. They’re weak. They don’t have strong minds like we do, folks. You’ve got strong minds, believe me. The best minds. Tremendous minds. And it’s not me, folks, it’s them. They can’t handle it. It’s the American IQs. They’re going down. Plummeting. Boom! Like a rock, okay? I’m talking rocket-speed, folks. You know the rockets? The ones I made great again? The ones Elon loves? Like that, but down. Sad! And it’s because they stopped listening to me. They said, "Sir, your words, they’re so powerful, so incredible, they make our brains work too hard. Too many words. Big words. Hard words." And I said, "What are you talking about? I use the best words. The most beautiful words." But they couldn’t handle it. And now, folks-get this-they’re saying, "Trump talks, and my brain goes bzzzzzt," like a broken radio. You know the sound, right? It’s like, bzzzzzt, bzz-bzz. I don’t know. Maybe it’s the 5G. Is it the 5G? They say it’s safe. I don’t know. I hear things. I hear things, folks. But you know what I think? It’s jealousy. Jealousy, folks. They’re jealous because I talk so good. I talk better than anyone, frankly. Better than the scientists. Better than Einstein. People are saying it. But let me tell you-let me tell you something else. This whole thing about IQs going down? It’s not my fault. No way. I make people smarter! When I talk, your brain gets exercise, folks. It’s like, uh, CrossFit for your brain. The best CrossFit. Tremendous. But these people, the haters, they’re too lazy to do the mental push-ups. Too lazy, folks. And they’re scared! Scared of being smart. Scared of being great again. That’s why they say, “Don’t listen to Trump.” Because they can’t handle greatness. My greatness. But you’re here, you’re smart, you’re strong. Your brains are doing the push-ups right now. Tremendous push-ups. I’m proud of you. You’re making America smart again just by listening to this. So don’t stop, okay? Don’t stop. Keep listening. Keep winning. And don’t let the weaklings, the haters, the sleepy Joes of the world tell you otherwise. Because we’re making brains great again. Tremendous brains. Beautiful brains. The best brains. Thank you, folks. Tremendous.
Speaking of mantras, I tried to communicate with a MAGA-cultist recently. Asked about their reasons and motivations. They answered with one single statement: "What is a woman?" As if that was some sort of gotcha.
I went to UC Berkeley back in the 1980s. I took a class in Folklore from world renowned Folklorist Prof. Dundes. Prof. Dundes said the a culture's folklore tells you more about the society than the official dogma.
Johnathan. Do you know how I could start to find an interview with a Russian historian from 20 (or so years ago) that I watch on TV. The historian told the interviewer how he had been hired by Putins Govt. to rewrite Russian School history books. I remember it because of just how ashamed of what he had done he seemed; he was full of remorse, even while he was explaining how he'd done it. It was probably Panorama, World in Action or Newsnight?? I can't be sure but, who best to contact to find it? Thanks.
@@grantg9324 Please don't be facetious. It was probably on an otherwise unremarkable program for the time, on British weekday TV, from a long time ago; of course I've looked for it but there are professionals who do this kind of work and Johnathan is well connected in the UK MSM world so I thought I'd ask.
Anna From Ukraine just finished the part two of her anti-propaganda six parts series "Russian literature is FAKE!? How the Kremlin uses it for war | BIG RUSSIAN LIES #2" I'll watch it right after this here.
Goes back to the Nancy's been behind a curtain watching the moon and stars for the answers to Ronnie's most pressing questions era. lol Thanks for the explanations on the situation at a level most Americans rarely achieve but always strive for, somewhere around but never seek to surpass middle schoolers diction and mannerisms. Great job, on top of it opinions. We'll always need to aspire to lawful responsibe leadership, because when that store is looted the lines blur, life goes sideways starting from the bottom shelf, the loop of self suffocating corruption works until it doesn't... Go Ukraine!
"Remember that trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe Pageant? You saw certain women. We know because videotape such things. If you don't want it released, this is what you'll do . . . ."
Catherin (the "Great") spent years erasing the memory of Ukraine from world memory. Today, people don't even have a mythology of Ukraine (like they do about Britain or France or Spain) to counter the Russian one.
They broke the law, they are here illegally, there is absolutely no comparison... due process... due process is filing the paperwork, going to your court date, getting the proper paperwork.. theres a reason an overwhelming majority of americans support this policy.
As a American, i assume Zelensky he thinks knows trump, i also hope understands he's transactional, everything depends on he looks good, or not! Watch your yourself Zel !
No, no they won’t. If Trump threatens to cut off LNG exports to Europe, bans them from re-exporting military equipment containing US-made components (i.e. most of it), or threatens them with massive tariffs unless they roll over and abandon Ukraine? They’ll be forced to go along. Sure it would be terrible for Ukraine, terrible for Europe, and terrible for democracy, but what of that is bad from Trump’s perspective? It should be beyond clear from now that he’s either a Russian agent or being blackmailed by them; even his own former Director of National Intelligence thinks so. (And the new one, of course, is a Russian asset herself.)
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Growing up in socialist Hungary, and being a young adult in 1989 at the time of system change, I am very much used to the russian way of propaganda. Btw love the term disinfolklore 💙 as a name for it . For an informed person, that kind of propaganda was and is insulting, with it's primitive manupulation. The same methods they used back then to promote "socialism", "peace", "internationalism" (meaning wars and interventions). I hated it back then and after Putin was nominated in 1999, I immediately started to hear the same kind of rhetoric. Well - he is a KGB man through and through so it was clear what will happen to the russian society .
Hungary wasn't socialist, it was an authoritarian, surveillance state.
The Soviet system was basically a feudal system with a monarch/leader who had an aristocracy of thugs and apparatchiks who maintained control of a very poor society whilst living comfortably themselves.
Orwellian pigs.
Calling yourself "socialist" doesn't make you a socialist.
There has never been an actual socialist or communist society.
Perhaps you can play a role in warning Americans against the ills of following the "socialism" and "internationalism" tracks in the future. It never ends well....
Exactly. I saw Putin as a Stalinist 15 years ago!
This is why it's so hard to understand why Hungarian people keep on electing the Putin's stooge, Orban.
I know you'll stay strong and it warms my heart! Spread your knowledge!
Brilliant!! Thank You
I was married to a Serbian and he would often try and change history in my mind. It was unbelievable that he truly could not speak the truth.
He was brought up that way!
The guy is clueless about west. It’s bizarre because his understanding of russia and its methods is relatively ok, while in case of the west he is missing the elephant in the room (that is commies subverting and dismantling the west)
This has been one of my favorites that you have produced. So insightful and thought provoking. Thank you for creating it. Going look for the first discussion with this guest now
Darn, Jonathan, this interview was all sorts of lovely! Very informative summary, again! Don't stop.
A new window opened 4 me with regards to Ukraine, thank you both!
Slava Ukraini! 🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇿🇦
No window opened. Trump does not give a shit about Ukraine, neither does Biden. Putin cares more about Ukraine then those two jokers
Ukrinae and Zelensky are an inspiration ! I am relieved to hear your talk and your hope for him and his country.
Yeah, an inspiration to corruption, graft, and grifting. This war never needed to happen but Z-boi decided to break the Minsk accords to get wealthy and join the big boys club of the West. When he loses he'll flee to Israel while the rest of the Ukrainians pay for his decisions. Real brave guy.
He has until jan 21
Loved it. What an unusual approach & so illuminating. Thank you for this guest
That was brilliant! Thank you both for this very interesting conversation. 🙌🏻💖🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦💖🙌🏻
Brilliant and informative conversation. Thank you.
Sure, these girly men only hide and talk about anything but the real world…
Very impressed by Douglas,s lived experience. Means much much more then the other foreign commentators
Stephen Douglas, what a brilliant mind . How sharp his perception of the inner workings of propaganda .
I realy loved this interview. It tied together and opened up many connections from literature I have read E.G. Crime & Punishment. Gave me a new insight. Excellent.
Thank you for your coverage, insights and wonderful guests.
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Thanks, gentlemen, for your conversation (interview) and clarifying the fog resulting from Russian lies (disinformation).
Your guest absolutely nailed it. 👍
Great to see Stephen Douglas back again. Analysing the effects of miss information and propaganda is always an interesting topic.
I keep watching Vatnik Soup. So funny and informative! Thank to Jonathan for introducing me to this crazy guy.
🖥Thanks Jonathon. Good work. When bots cry, you know you are getting to the truth. PS.. Cyber-losses now estimated reaching $10 billion for RU economy.🖥⚡🔥😎
Yes, the Russian trolls are flat out everywhere...
I would welcome any and all information in this area Join...😀👍
@@Mopsisgone Google "IT Army of Ukraine". On our website all details needed.
@@Mopsisgone Our pages are easy to find. Detailes and instructions make it easy to help. The more help, the more pain for Z-nation.
@@Mopsisgone YT algorithm blocks my replies. Our site is easy to find. Helpers welcome.
Everything Trump touches turns to... Hint, not gold. Si Curtian has the best content. This one is very good.
Well, why didn't Obama send weapons to Ukraine when this war started?
I really loved this conversation. The analogy of Putin as Raskolnikov is priceless.
Thanks for your fight agains propaganda, Stephen!
Thanks! Very interesting and it explains a lot!
Thank you for calling the traitor DONALD since he does not deserve a title at all.
wow, you did it again. Thank you! This is one of my favorit channels.
Fascinating interview. 👍
Thanks! Great interview, I enjoyed the conversation. 👍
You must be doing something right. The trolls are here pretty early.
This video is pure gold.... weaving together the personalities, the geopolitics, and even tying in the psychological and bringing in the fatalist mindset of certain Russian authors...... this is absolutely some of the best stuff on RUclips. I love Silicon Curtain....
@@persperspersp2866 I hope you know Vlad Vexler!
Muscovey hates folks who stab a dagger right through their disonfilklore.
Except he's a coward who deletes all the contrary comments. A coward like Zelensky who can't stand any opposition so he outlaws it. This channel is an echo chamber of neo-con chickenhawks.
I unsubscribed from a lot of channels after the election. I decided I need to keep Trump out of my living room and my conciousness for my own mental health. It's poison just like what Putin spews.But I'm keeping your channel.
So when Putin rambles on about what His people pumped into Western Culture, the Trump points out that those same things are bad.... Do you even know where your mindset comes from?
It not a matter of tuning out completely, it’s about limiting the BS you hear throughout the day. You can get worn out by outrage
@@ChipmunkRapidsMadMan1869 Trump does not speak English - he speaks incoherent crap that only makes sense to MAGA people like you.
Amen!
I am telling my fellow dudes about this new movie I was told to watch about some women dressed like little red riding hood being abused by 'the big bad wolf'. I think it is called
The Handmade Tail. I guess it is supposed to help us figure out the struggles women go through when trying to kill their little girls asleep in their mother's womb and mature thoughtful people try to stop them.
Thank you, Jonathan and Stephen Douglas, for another excellent conversation. I hope, you will continue it.
🇺🇦 Перемоги та миру всім українцям! 🇺🇦
Some say lies don't kill.
- The do! 🤔
Your channel is the best, Jonathan!!! Thank you!!!
Him and Vlad Vexler are my favorites.
The salvation in the creator of chaos is how mafia operates.
And the CIA who started this whole mess by staging a coup in Kiev in 2014
Great conversation and thought provoking!
How is Trump going to turn on Putin, if he is so manipulated by him?
How is Trump going to "turn on Putin" when he was sending weapons to Ukraine and had harsher sanctions that either Obama or Biden?
Stephen Miller is still around Trump.
Miller is definitely a troll😮😮
Fabulous chat gentlemen. I can hear Joseph Campbell chuckling. Lucky for us you’re following your bliss.
🎉thank you for referring to Joseph Campbell 🎉
Its entirely predictable that at some point trump will turn on him as indeed he will turn on his slapstick appointees for his upcoming administration.
Not if they do what the criminal wants them to do.
@@LiberalinOregon pretty sure hes the kind of boss to eventually throw you under a bus no matter how loyal a bootlicker to try to be.
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I hope you are correct.
Nothing to "turn on." Trump and America doesn't owe this little grifting troll anything. Trump will simply put America first, which means Zelensky's grift will end and the Ukraine will go back to what it's been for hundreds of years, part of Russia.
Thanks
Good interview
"they're coming to eat your dogs, they're coming to eat your cats"
They can try! 😾
I have a Siamese cat, will he taste a bit like Thai food if I eat him?
@@maxlevett7474 No. And it's most probably full of deadly to humans parasites and viruses, everybody knows this... except a few "civilizations" I shan't name here whom routinely do eat "pets", google them.
@@DSAK55 You have been listening too much of Democrats lies and lies that's why people have spoken.
@@DSAK55 @DSAK55 Yeah, that was over the top, even if true. I would have advised President Trump to ignore the rumors, period. What is a problem, in my opinion, is that both political parties are out of control. What kind of control? Good Question... Let me know if you figure it out. I truly see a lack of competition in the 'free' press. I don't see civics in our schools. I don't see ethics in our business schooling. My belief in God and Country aside; I'm not advocating a Christian America. Those items above merely speak to a self regulation. Every single human trying to not do bad against any other; just because. The only special interest is: We The People. It's time we stand up, get involved, educate ourselves and our children to build an ever improving America. 🇺🇸
Brilliant !
Thanks!
The old KGB ‘Vladivostok to Dublin’ dream still lives. They caused the Troubles in Ireland.
Ay Jim.
The troubles in Ireland was caused by the brits. Where you been lad.
@@liameoin5416 While I fully agree that the brits were the "stick" that was stirring the pot in Ireland you can beat your boots that the Soviet Union had a hand steering that stick.
Lol, that's some hardcore revisionism. If anything the KGB supported the IRA, but they didn't start the thing, That was hundreds of years in the brewing, even before the Reformation.
@@liameoin5416scottish presbytirians
@@liameoin5416 as the grandson of a republican patriot who assisted during the 1920's (& served a bit of time in Mt. Joy as a result), i only partly agree and mostly disagree and also have the impression that the Soviets, with their unimaginably large sprawling network of all manner of operators of one shade or another, were behind the troubles, and naturally were behind many of the post colonial struggles in the '1950's and '60's and '70's. The size of USSR and todays RU's security and info apparatus (it's really one unit in a hybrid form that no other country has anything remotely similar to) is truly hard to grasp, around a million actual professionals, and millions of other minions helping. It is frankly the most impressive info-operations network in the history of humanity, AND it's actively trying to literally take down the entire basis of western civilization, i.e the freedom & joy of love of life (& each other) itself, as seen in how the politics of individual self-agency came to be, through the Englightment period of euro history., etc
Thank you!
Enlightening! That is an understatement.
An absolut fantastic conversation! Thank you so much, Jonathan and Stephen!
I can't Trump anymore.
My mum - "Who has just trumped? Open the window!" You'll get bloated. 😂
Guess we’ll just put you in the “impotent” group now…..
@@willdon.1279 😂
Seethe moar! He's here for the next four years, which will probably be about 3 1/2 years longer than Zelensky!
@@Manetho72 Typical nasty gloating over Ukrainian people's appalling suffering. As we see, "the cruelty IS the main point"
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Brilliant references to Dostojewski. Thank you for the conversation.
Absorbing discussion. Great work.
Propaganduuu, how stupid can they make u,
Brilliant! Remarkable analysis.
Outstanding interview. Such an interesting and useful perspective. Thank you!
Astonishing. I’ll listen again and again. Absolutely brilliant insight.
I’ve learned a lot today. Totally new perspectives. Thank you to both of you! 🇳🇴❤🇺🇦
Great work, Jonathan!! 🙏
An absolute corker of a session Jonathan, I love all that lugubrious stuff involving Dostoevsky, Wagner, Gogol and Goethe!! The lovely associations your subject made about the 3 billygoats gruff crossing the bridge with the narky troll scaring them off - I used to have nightmares about a troll coming out of my wardrobe when I was a young child 45 or 50 years ago and do you know what? Despite my immense capacity for introspection, I had never made that connection between perhaps that story and my nightmares although believe me when I say that my provincial (albeit, in fairness professional) parents werent exactly of delicate of sensibility when it came to the sort of material they would read to me and my even younger brother 😂😂😂 Little Red Riding Hood with the granny eating wolf who then dragged up in the old woman's apron and bonnet the better to disguise itself, the Boy who cried wolf, all manner of Æsop's Fables many of which are quite "a lot" for a seven year old - and of course the absolutely terrifying tales of the mercurial (and therefore even creepier) Baba Yaga and her cottage on chicken legs deep in the forest who would eat children and boil their bones and gnash her iron teeth when angered! You REALLY can see all the undertones of that, particularly I believe the further east you go and by the time you get to Siberia, you're well away from the pious, icon kissing, rosary bead clutching ladies in veils crossing themselves and genuflecting autonomically and well into ancient crones in layers of mismatched patchwork shawls and scarves surrounded by tchotchkes - animal skulls, rabbit feet, dried flowers, kitschy brass charms and all manner of smoked glass "crystals" and woollen dollies and a knack with tea leaves who for a ruble will tell your fortune and find you a mate. I KNOW it's deeply unfashionable to denigrate other cultures and not to "value them" differently but equally. Sorry, but I can smell the filthy hovel from here and I KNOW they can't help it that they've lived as close to the poverty line as it's possible to be without falling into the abyss - no better off than a 19th Century serf - or frankly a 16th century one. And all the concomitant disadvantages that abject poverty brings - lack of education, lack of healthcare, lack of access to the law all massively exacerbated by the endemic, crippling corruption. But when does it reach the point Jonathan, where enough is enough? We still had the tail ends of rationing in the mid 1950s - no wonder we took to rock n roll of the rest of that decade and the sex and psychedelia and freedom of the following one. And we'd only had 15 years of it with only 6 of those actively at war - and of those 6 only perhaps 2 or 3 where the Luftwaffe bombers, German artillery firing at us from the Continent and the V1 and V2 rockets were sent in. About a decade ago I had an eye procedure at St Thoms's and getting the 155 from Westminster Bridge Road, I fell to talking with an elderly but sprightly woman with whom I exchanged glances due to my wearing of a very prominent eye patch bandage which I duly told her why and of course then the ice is broken and as we both lived in Streatham we had a good 25 minutes or so to really get going and it transpired she had lived there her whole life and of course that proved irresistible to me and asked her everything i could think of about her experiences and even now Jonathan I'm getting goosebumps remembering what she said. But this is the thing, Jonathan - despite the "we're all in it together" and "Long live the King" and baking "apple" pie using swede and making gnats' piss tea by using the bag 17 times and all that codswallop - Jonathan the country was hacked off with it. A MUCH duller story than the aristocratic Churchill's glamour and patriarchal stolidity and the Army's derring do - is the fact that the Labour ministers did an astonishingly good job of keeping all "the machinery" of a country going - hospitals and schools - even seminaries - on top of the Almighty task of ensuring there was enough food and clean water - and all the million other things to keep us in the ring with Jerry. No wonder Labour got in after it was all over because the country had bloody great holes in it that needed organisation, order and a boring methodical approach that Churchill would have been bored to death with. Why mention all this? Because over the years we have changed, reacted snd adapted.
While Russians seem stuck in a loop and sorry but I just dont believe it's because of all the propaganda. And btw, after the IMMENSE privation, Churchill was deadly serious about attacking the Russians after the Germans capitulated - now come off it - if Churchill saw the danger 80 bloody years ago, we should have seen it all along. I know Stalin was still on the throne and history tells us things were surprisingly good all things considered during the Krushchev years - but ANYTHING would have been better so it hardly counts and of course "better" is all relative - while we were running around in Minis and MGs and Jags, Russians had outdoor toilets and a bike - if they were lucky. And while Sergei of the Ushanka Show talks winningly about his rather charmed life (ironically in the then Soviet Socialist Republic of Ukraine....) most of that is a) because his dad had a comparitively good job and did his fair share of wheeling and dealing and b) because by the 70s when he was growing up, you COULD buy a more cosmopolitan range of goods c) there was no instant media like today so the Communist party COULD realistically and reliably fill the country with pride having won the space race and got nuclear - power gen and fearsome bombs - but even then Jonathan you can see the creeping rot the underlying knowledge that the system was creaking - and a sort of psychological cancer ate away at anyone with a few connections and was in the know; essentially that most all of their science and tech was stolen - like the Chinese today. And the fact the quality of life of the average Russian has been so low for so long just makes it all the more incredible to me not that they haven't risen up and demanded change. Vlad Vexler has rightly spoken of EVERY heartbreaking opportunity the Russians have missed - it's just agony. But at the same time, that would just not be tolerated by Brits. For Christ's sake we had a mass uprising in 1381 already that while ultimately repressed, put the fear of God into the top brass and while whether the Peasants Revolt created the change in social conditions or merely sped up what was already happening is moot - but the point is Brits were already boisterous and ballsy by the bloody 14th century - no slaves were we. And I'll be honest, I was somewhat surprised to hear you didn't "get" the jokes having failed to appreciate just how deeply that "everything we touch turns to shit" schtick runs with those bloomin' Russkies. You can see it from HERE.
There's a CHILDISHNESS that runs through the core of Russians - a sulky, pouting resentfulness that so WANTS to be loved, admired and INCLUDED - but like the unpopular kid at school, if you're just not likable, you're unlikable and it doesnt matter what you do - in fact tryjng to be nice makes it worse and that gets to people. It's less "clues" - more bloody great signposts that have been pointing to the crapulous great smelly heap of a country, perceiving its European neighbours' distaste for decades - centuries in fact. Even the pilot of the Tu-144 "Konkordski" who was demo-ing the plane at the Paris Air Show mid 70s - having seen Concorde do a stately and fairly dull pass with no barrelrolls or loop-the-loop - like a bratty kid (and I can just HEAR the Python-esque cod-Russian accent) "You wait to see what WE can do" - thinking him and his team were gonna blow the tits off everyone present with their "superior" jet - and of course stuffed the fucking thing and - GAAAAAHHHHD this is just so Russian - killed more people on the ground than the incompetent arsehole ended of his own people on board. Again, exactly as you and the nice Irish fella said "everythjng they touch turns to shit" - but the real significance of tbat is that while they havent been given the intelligence to do anything about it, they've got just enough to know they're subpar. They KNOW they're great, awkward lunks. It must be CRIPPLING to know that you have to cheat at everything to make your mark and have no real way of persuasion about you - it's my way or off to the dungeons with you. No wonder they're angry, confused, resentful and aggressive. It's all right there in front of our eyes Jonathan - with Putain that son of a whore right up front. Vladimir Kara-Murza would be brilliant, I'm sure as next President of Russia once the current one has been flung from the Kremlin walls - but there's just NO WAY the mindset of enough Russians will adjust enough - and QUICKLY enough - for the poor dear heart to have the FAINTEST chance. I'm sorry but i think Russia's gonna have to disintegrate and reform into smaller states like it all did in 1991. And I dont think the USA has the power to stop that and neither will it do anything whem China takes over much of the Far East which it is ITCHING to do as a nice booby prize - bubbling with oil and with bedrock made of platinum and diamonds - but that's a WHOLE other story.....
Brilliant - loved this, it was RIGHT up my straße!
"Don't you cross my bridge or I'll eat you. Said the giant with a terrible roar. Please don't eat me sir 'cause I'm tiny. And my brother's right behind and he weighs a great deal more. So the giant let him pass and he sang this song, I'll just wait here 'till (I can't recall the names) comes along."
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Nice!
Brilliant, thanks for brain workout 🏋️♀️
What a great discussion, maybe one of the most important so far, thank you Stephen Douglas & Jonathon!
Understanding russia’s methods of psychological manipulation is crucial to combatting & dismantling it… the west is so far behind the ball but hopefully it’s not too late if this information is widely shared & understood
This was enjoyable and very impressive.
Absolutely brilliant!!
Mr, Douglas made a good point at the start of the show regarding Trump's trolling. Due to the power of the POTUS account he was the greatest 💩poster on the planet until Elon bought Twitter.
Trump surely Makes Americans Greatly Antagonized!
Biden lifts strike restrictions! Yea! 19:00 GMT
is this true ??
@@spiritualdeath101 It was on BBC news.
@@spiritualdeath101 Yes!
Years too late. The war would be over if Biden did that earlier and delivered the aid approved by congress. The war has been so mismanaged. Nothing changed that makes striking Russia now any different than a year ago. The restrictions are lifted now because Biden just feels like doing it.
@@spiritualdeath101 Oh yes! I bet Ukraine are rubbing their hands, debating what juicy morsel to puncture first...!
Incredibly useful discussion guys.
I am amazed that some of these conclusions I’ve worked out by myself, but you guys are pro, and decoded a lot more of this “book of disinformation “ that seems to be used all around the world
, very interesting program thank you very much for spending time with us.
Putin has no idea of what he is in for shortly. Can you say “shock and awe”?
There’ll be a few squeaky bums in Moscow this evening I would think!
Putin will NOT bend to Trump, which T seeks, so the backlash could be EPIC!!
Great conversation, again.
Even our adversaries mock Trump look what Putin did with Trump’s wife on their national television. They are laughing at him.
Have you not been watching the last years ?
They mock everyone , Brandon , Boris , Macron , Scholz ....... it's their thing.
Personally i thought they are just jealous.
Our adversaries are afraidof Trump, as are you
@@jerrymiller9039 Yes, afraid of the idiotic decisions he'll make this time.
@@jerrymiller9039No they are not. He's a clueless pragmatist they can manipulate to give them what they as long as it seem to agrandise him.
@50-50_Grind watch and learn. Remember, Trump clearly called on Europeans to stop buying russian oil and to invest in their own defence and your leaders ridiculed him for it. Trump understood what was better for Europeans than the European leaders did
"A Speech About Listening (Or Not Listening, Very Sad, Very Sad)"
Folks, let me tell you something, okay? And this is something, believe me, nobody is talking about it, but they should be. You know, people used to love listening to me. They loved it. Tremendous crowds. They said, “Sir, we could listen to you forever!” They did, they said that. And you know what? They were smart people. Very smart people. Some of the smartest people. Probably the smartest people you've ever met. Maybe in history. Tremendous IQs. Bigly IQs.
But now-now, folks, I'm hearing, and this is really sad, folks, really, really sad-I’m hearing people can’t even bear to listen to me. Can you believe it? They say things like, "Oh, when Trump talks, my brain gets all melty-melted," or "Sir, I don’t understand anything you’re saying anymore." These are the losers saying this. The haters. They’re weak. They don’t have strong minds like we do, folks. You’ve got strong minds, believe me. The best minds. Tremendous minds.
And it’s not me, folks, it’s them. They can’t handle it. It’s the American IQs. They’re going down. Plummeting. Boom! Like a rock, okay? I’m talking rocket-speed, folks. You know the rockets? The ones I made great again? The ones Elon loves? Like that, but down. Sad! And it’s because they stopped listening to me. They said, "Sir, your words, they’re so powerful, so incredible, they make our brains work too hard. Too many words. Big words. Hard words." And I said, "What are you talking about? I use the best words. The most beautiful words." But they couldn’t handle it.
And now, folks-get this-they’re saying, "Trump talks, and my brain goes bzzzzzt," like a broken radio. You know the sound, right? It’s like, bzzzzzt, bzz-bzz. I don’t know. Maybe it’s the 5G. Is it the 5G? They say it’s safe. I don’t know. I hear things. I hear things, folks. But you know what I think? It’s jealousy. Jealousy, folks. They’re jealous because I talk so good. I talk better than anyone, frankly. Better than the scientists. Better than Einstein. People are saying it.
But let me tell you-let me tell you something else. This whole thing about IQs going down? It’s not my fault. No way. I make people smarter! When I talk, your brain gets exercise, folks. It’s like, uh, CrossFit for your brain. The best CrossFit. Tremendous. But these people, the haters, they’re too lazy to do the mental push-ups. Too lazy, folks. And they’re scared! Scared of being smart. Scared of being great again. That’s why they say, “Don’t listen to Trump.” Because they can’t handle greatness. My greatness.
But you’re here, you’re smart, you’re strong. Your brains are doing the push-ups right now. Tremendous push-ups. I’m proud of you. You’re making America smart again just by listening to this. So don’t stop, okay? Don’t stop. Keep listening. Keep winning. And don’t let the weaklings, the haters, the sleepy Joes of the world tell you otherwise. Because we’re making brains great again. Tremendous brains. Beautiful brains. The best brains. Thank you, folks. Tremendous.
I do mind muscle building with Vlad Vexler, I come hear for mind cardio!
Sad, but true.
go to Bluesky
Quit X, go to bluesky
Like BlueSky better than X
What and become a blue titter..😂
BlueBubble
@@SmedleyDouwright Living in the "BlueBubble" Makes sense...Living in the 'Stinkin'Thinkin'FartBubble' does not
Speaking of mantras, I tried to communicate with a MAGA-cultist recently. Asked about their reasons and motivations.
They answered with one single statement: "What is a woman?"
As if that was some sort of gotcha.
Yet you couldn’t answer.
Don’t forget Putin has the Kompromat photos of mr trump. Good ol’bad ol’ KGB tactics…
What use would they be now though?
Pictures don’t matter now, he is on second term!
If they existed, they would have been leaked years ago😂
Ridicule will never kill Trump. I don't think he cares. I think it's one of the only good things about him.
Do you think trump's base cares if he's into golden showers? Sleeping with a porn star while your wife is at home pregnant qualifies as equally bad.
I went to UC Berkeley back in the 1980s. I took a class in Folklore from world renowned Folklorist Prof. Dundes. Prof. Dundes said the a culture's folklore tells you more about the society than the official dogma.
IN-credibly interesting! Thank you 😊
Thank you, Jonathan.
Pity that those who support the z narrative don't have the critical thinking powers to even understand this man.
Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦💪
Johnathan. Do you know how I could start to find an interview with a Russian historian from 20 (or so years ago) that I watch on TV. The historian told the interviewer how he had been hired by Putins Govt. to rewrite Russian School history books. I remember it because of just how ashamed of what he had done he seemed; he was full of remorse, even while he was explaining how he'd done it. It was probably Panorama, World in Action or Newsnight?? I can't be sure but, who best to contact to find it? Thanks.
You could write to a Californian company that deals with such requests for information, called Google I believe…
Man that sounds wild! 😮
@@grantg9324 Please don't be facetious. It was probably on an otherwise unremarkable program for the time, on British weekday TV, from a long time ago; of course I've looked for it but there are professionals who do this kind of work and Johnathan is well connected in the UK MSM world so I thought I'd ask.
Anna From Ukraine just finished the part two of her anti-propaganda six parts series "Russian literature is FAKE!? How the Kremlin uses it for war | BIG RUSSIAN LIES #2" I'll watch it right after this here.
@@grantg9324 sounds like u've not tried to dig deep using Google, bcuz without deep research skills, google is useless!
Mark Twain: "A lie travels half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on."
Even in his dreams, the enemy cannot imagine something beautiful.
Excellent conversation!
Goes back to the Nancy's been behind a curtain watching the moon and stars for the answers to Ronnie's most pressing questions era. lol
Thanks for the explanations on the situation at a level most Americans rarely achieve but always strive for, somewhere around but never seek to surpass middle schoolers diction and mannerisms. Great job, on top of it opinions.
We'll always need to aspire to lawful responsibe leadership, because when that store is looted the lines blur, life goes sideways starting from the bottom shelf, the loop of self suffocating corruption works until it doesn't...
Go Ukraine!
May I recommend a book called: Disinformation by Pacepa and Rychlak.
Amerika...
- We support you 100% , as long as you don't need support.
Goto save :
'Tax Payers Money'
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Priorities & fairy tales...
Finally, someone fluent in memetics, the thing that controls all of our brains as we are embedded in it.
A Historic Internet moment.
"Remember that trip to Moscow for the Miss Universe Pageant? You saw certain women. We know because videotape such things. If you don't want it released, this is what you'll do . . . ."
what a weird guy ... can't he just talk normally? ... with the globe in the background he looks like cultist
Doubt it. He's beholden to him because he has received so much Russian money over the years.
Catherin (the "Great") spent years erasing the memory of Ukraine from world memory. Today, people don't even have a mythology of Ukraine (like they do about Britain or France or Spain) to counter the Russian one.
Well that was complete gibberish. Thanks
I used to believe that Trump would be an easy target for manipulators back in 2016. I turns out he is surprisingly resistant to sustained control.
Why would Trump throw Putin under the buss.Do you 2 really want WW3. Stop poking that russian bear.
Informative
Facts, please!
It is working exactly in the same way in France
They broke the law, they are here illegally, there is absolutely no comparison... due process... due process is filing the paperwork, going to your court date, getting the proper paperwork.. theres a reason an overwhelming majority of americans support this policy.
As a American, i
assume Zelensky he thinks knows trump, i also hope understands he's transactional, everything depends on he looks good, or not! Watch your yourself Zel !
Yeah right
The term is Gas Lighting
Yea, Trump uses NATO, to motivation Russia to kill Europe.
- Because they ask for it...
Nice ally?
With a friend like Trump, one does not need enemies....
@@MartinLundström-l4v I cannot agree with this.
Brilliant
13:32 - The alleged shelling of Donetsk. This was one of Richard Medhurst's favourite allegations.
Some Russian trolls will have to be dealt with, everywhere.
Europe will turn on Trump if he even trys to say give putin Ukraines territory . They will tell to f.k off and leave nato.
No, no they won’t. If Trump threatens to cut off LNG exports to Europe, bans them from re-exporting military equipment containing US-made components (i.e. most of it), or threatens them with massive tariffs unless they roll over and abandon Ukraine? They’ll be forced to go along. Sure it would be terrible for Ukraine, terrible for Europe, and terrible for democracy, but what of that is bad from Trump’s perspective? It should be beyond clear from now that he’s either a Russian agent or being blackmailed by them; even his own former Director of National Intelligence thinks so. (And the new one, of course, is a Russian asset herself.)