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Prisons clearly get better results when they're geared towards rehabilitation, but Warden Burl Cain made a very good point. Rehabilitating prisoners in prisons is a solution to the effects of a problem, it does not solve the problem(s) that caused the imprisonment of the inmates which the prison systems are trying to rehabilitate, whatever those problems may be.
But the situation is where prisoners are *forced* into rehabilitation (or at least rehabilitation is better than the alternative) which isn't exactly going to fly anywhere outside of bootcamp. And even then, the majority will still re-offend, so it is questionable how successful the rehabilitation was in the first place (nevermind parole seems designed to send people back to prison). Add into that the majority of prisoners are low-level drug offenders who pose more risk to themselves than anyone else, and it is questionable what they were being rehabilitated for in the first place, short of enjoying a blunt outside of Colorado. The main problem is too many laws, too harsh of sentences, and too many ways to become entangled with the prison system, which rehabilitation does nothing to address.
I agree, however I think most people who actually need rehabilitation will not voluntarily apply for it, so I think they should be forced into it. I disagree with drug prohibition entirely, which is another dissertation entirely it's own, short version is I think there are much more responsible ways to handle the drug problem than simply outright banning them. Looking at alcohol prohibition compared to the way alcohol and tobacco are handled now would give a glimpse into my views on that. I also agree there should be a lot more done about problems causing high recidivism rates. Such as how hard it is to get a job with a criminal record, the way gang affiliates are threatened if they try to leave the gang, or their loved ones are threatened, as well as addictions and relapse into addictions, and general lack of ability to integrate into society and support oneself legally.
@@NODnuke45 The issue with alcohol prohibition was due to alcohol's massive presence in the culture of the society. It is difficult to force a society to give up a cultural norm. Now if you're trying to say that crime and violence is a cultural feature of certain groups of people, well, you may be onto something. People may find those words rather harsh, but one does wonder.
@@cstgraphpads2091 All I'm saying is that the war on drugs, it is pretty clear to me, is doing more damage than it could ever mitigate, and that will always be the case. There are a wide range of people it seems, who will try to get their hands on certain drugs whether they are legal or not, which creates a certain demand for them, which, if they are banned drugs, creates opportunity for criminal suppliers. This in turn enables elements of the criminal underworld to fund and supply their other criminal activities as well, and this all results in the police having to be more militarized and aggressive to compensate. None of that is good, and people should be considering alternatives in law that would actually work to minimize the damage that is caused to people's lives as a result of those laws, and since alcohol prohibition was ended, well, I've never heard of anyone getting killed by organized crime over a case of liquor since, or criminals dealing alcohol at all anymore either for that matter...
Another wonderful video. I love how you present honest and unbiased points of both sides of an issue. I always thought that prison labor was a good thing. I never even realized there was another point of view. Thank You for opening my eyes. I can't wait for the next episode.
The biggest problem with allowing prisons to make money off the prisoners, is that it encourages the prison industry to get more people into prison, which makes it more likely for innocent people to end up in prison for petty laws. It can be good to let prisoners work, so long as the goal of them working is to convert them into better people. If it is profit driven, then it will be bad for the entire population. If it is punishment driven, then it will lead to inevitable abuse.
Question is if it's compulsory or not, if they get to choose to work it can't be seen as a bad thing tbh, allot of retired people prefer to work when not needing to, so may be personal preference to reduce monotony of day to day, plus w.e benefits. Beyond that it may be doing 2 things, one prevents ppl from thinking a free room and food( I'm sure it's not worse than the lower 50% of cooks) and two keep people who work for almost nothing feel that hey it could be worse. Prevents ppl like homeless who probably make almost nothing from seeing a easy way to feed and house themselves. hence fear of rape, fear of getting attacked even tho hey u can sue now if eather happends, prevents abuse of a system some may not hate, mean did everyone see timeout as a punishment? Seems to most it would b no different than being between classes as school just sorta hanging around everyone, to allot that's a better prospect than a job, but they can't let u know that, or crime would go up. But as I said I know ppl who work, just to get outta the house. So if not forced and they get some level of compensation or privileges abc the others? I don't see what there is to complain about. What r they gonna do buy a car? What I see might happen is instead of y'all thinking they'll get a raise, that oh if it pays for their room and board, then all should have to work, so by complaining y'all may be making it worse, already see them complain abt taxpayer money and the inequality that some work and some don't ect, so funny by complaining abt the conditions and already having expectations, ur gonna turn what was a choice to get outta sitting around all day, to forced labor education and literally concentration camp like conditions. If u feel the prison spending is bad now all the " fixes" ppl feel can help will just lead to the level of spending u see the military do, and tbh they're not much different, ones a bit more formal and pays a bit better, but u gotta work and they won't house u if ur a criminal, the other if u fail at being a criminal feeds u houses u for free, one ur friends die other they can't leave, so 2 choices if ur a bum with no life and no place be a criminal try to get rich if u fail always got a free room in jail, or so t be a criminal sign a few years away agree to die , agree not to sue the doctors face even more jail if u fuck up risk losing all pay and join military. Real problem isn't eather of those but a surplus of unnecessary people and finding a way to keep them off the streets and making the country look bad, which is what it boils down to, prison is just the societal failures of culturing soldiers like rejected livestock, were all born to kill, steal and other activity, how almost every society is or ur built to work, those r really only choices don't fit into that u end up homeless or a criminal and somewhat swept under the rug, even the hippies made to eather cut back population or die off, or have upset kids, that will work hard not to be you or be so angry theyll b good soldiers. Kinda how it's always been since forever and surprised people don't see it, even forced labor in old prisons was to get those that don't work, to work, correctional system no? Mean picture this u can steal ur whole life to get ahead, and worst case u get a free room and food just gotta wake up and go to bed when they say, not a bad deal tbh. I know that, they know that, and they want u to all agree to bring back the forced labor and create the system u seem so against, and how rigged is it that all u gotta do for it to happen is complain? even me explaining it may cause it, that's how rigged as I said it is.
Well put! It's a long-term investment that doesn't pay itself back immediately. but it's totally worth it for both the prisoners and society as a whole.
The problem is, thanks to Clinton, we have a mostly private prison system. They are providing free labor to ALEC member corporations. If you live in Arkansas and sign up for rehab..you'll be gutting chickens for Tyson. I suggest searching Jimmy Dore's video's for prison labor. I think this guy missed that people are not getting out for good behavior.. " The good ones are the ones they use ".. We also are jailing people for non violent drug crimes longer than rapits,,
Anna, that's a fundamental issue with the prison system as a whole, if it were done my way I'd abolish private prisons altogether. There are things that should be kept private and some things that should be handled by the state, criminal justice is without a doubt the responsibility of the state.
If they work, they should be paid minimum wage. I worked with developmentally disabled. They were paid $0.50 an hour to mow lawns, break down cardboard, etc.
Exactly. Consider it a free form of schooling for dumb-asses. With luck, you'll get out a more productive and moral person. When Christianity is emphasized, it has some good results.
redd Greene Blue. . . . but those guys are probably mostly drug dealers and theives. Whod let rapists and murderers work outdoors where they can escape?
Praggy Pops Q&A I haven't seen any facts to claim majority or minority offenses in contrast to the prison labor system. I will agree with you that the war on drugs absolutely fuels this 200bn industry.
Murders and rapists are locked up in ultramax, on death row, or are lucky to see anything but that. Most people doing the work just had some weed on them.
@@marissadonelson2035 I've worked alongside the people who are in prision right now, most of them had a handful of grams or barely qualified as "drunk" according to Arizona law. Here, you could drink a beer, wait 70-120 minutes, and wind up in jail for drunk driving.
Prison is for both Rehabilitation and Punishment. Rape and murder are crimes that formerly were death. You cannot rehabilitate a dead victim especially a murdered rape victim. Having said that I am surprised you had not one mention of the Shawshank Redemption.... I once met a fellow who told me about how when he was in prison he entered one of these Rehabilitation work programs in which he was an employee of Habitat for Humanity getting something like $0.14 per hour for helping them to build houses. After his release he went to Habitat for Humanity and applied for a job. With the utmost disdain they told him, "we don't hire your kind here." In other words Jimmy Carter has been busy making use of that prison system to do this "charity" on the backs of others. A very Shawshank thing.
Private companies also sometimes use their power to increase the number of inmates (by influencing courts) in order to have a greater workforce. Which is a horrible thing, undeniably.
Are prisons slave labor? My inclination is to say "Yes.". Mostly because a lack of labor often entails direct punishment. That's one problem I have with most prison rehabilitation programs. They're basically made mandatory by threat of punishment. Participation in them should be encouraged with carrots, not forced with sticks. A program you are compelled to participate seems like it would be a lot less effective. I guess I'd like to see statistics about that though. Also, there are almost no knowledge worker jobs in prison. To be fair, the ability of the average inmate to do that sort of job is on average less than the general population. But there are a lot of inmates who could do them. And those kinds of jobs are a much better preparation for eventual release.
I did some research on rehabilitation over retribution. And what I found was interesting. In Norway, Sweden, and Germany they allow inmates to wear their own clothes, provide them with their own room and bathroom, allow them to cook their own meals, and use things such as swimming pools, play instruments, play video games. They have the lowest recidivism rate in the world. The prisons also focus on mental rehabilitation as well as forgiveness with the victims. They do provide work, but the conditions are more than fair and they can spend it on some shops in the prison. One side argues that giving them labor is a way of humanizing them. Well that’s pretty funny to think because these countries have found a way to humanize them without forcing them to work. This argument that work makes people more human is just a way to make people turn a blind eye to what this is slavery. These inmates might be paid but how much say do they have in whether they want to work or not? It’s inhuman to force this sort of labor. The labor in other countries does not directly benefit a corporation its suppose to benefit the person. This is a form of modern day slavery.
It does not depend only on how you treat the inmate but also on their background. For instance, radicalist islamists converted other inmate that were there for small crimes. Search for "Islamist radicalization in European prisons" Thus i think americans don't have the moral background as do some europeans when it comes to accept and integrate again based on how well they were treated
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I was on a chain gang in Florida for "disorderly conduct." Which basically means the police don't like how you are acting (though you're not doing anything specifically illegal) and they lock you up. I did 30 days working ten hours Monday they Friday. I got paid zero. That is slavery. No one should be profiting off of the unpaid work that I did. Thankfully they were kind enough to serve us 1800 calories a day.
This was wonderfully enlightening. I worked with two felons who made a big impact on me and really made me want to see former inmates given the opportunity to succeed in life. I never realized the role prison jobs could play in that.
Saying that prison labor isn’t slavery because they’re housed, fed, and clothes by the prison just sounds like an antebellum defense for plantations. They’re still abused and underpaid, and our “criminal justice” is still full of loopholes for plenty of innocent people to fall into.
The test in the UK (following the abolition of "hard labour" sentences decades ago) is that inmate labour should benefit the inmate. If that simple test is honestly applied, it allows the positives of inmate labour and prohibits the abuse. The problem, though, is that in both the UK and the USA, a lot of prisons are run quite badly and things are simply not orderly enough for constructive work and education to take place. (The worst offenders on both sides of the Atlantic seem to be the privately-run prisons.) In the UK, though, you don't get the impression that anyone's making such a profit out of prison labour that people are being convicted and sentenced mainly to provide that labour. One sort of gets the impression that it might be true in the USA, though -and it's absolutely beyond doubt that this is true in Communist China, where people can end up in labour camps without even being charged with a crime. For both Hitler and Stalin, forced labour was an important part of their economic plans, and both regimes sent people to labour camps for some very minor offences, such as "being gay" followed, a few years later by "being male and French" or "being Polish." (Both Hitler and Stalin using the latter excuse.)
Im not opposed to prisoners doing public works, like maybe picking up trash, but I am opposed to them being used by basically being rented out as slaves for private businesses. I think this is in someway exploitative of prisoners (I do think prisoners deserve some level of humanity) and more importantly, this is just businesses taking away would could be a regular job for a normal American and giving it to prisoners slaves instead.
inmates are not slaves… they’re convicted felons, not some innocent enslaved people🙄 they must suffer for their crimes, forcing them to hard labor is a fair punishment 🧐
Exactly, people in these comments are literally saying that this is unfair, It is very fair, the criminal decided to cause the crime. He started it, now he has to deal with it.
The assertion that prison labor is analogous to slavery is kind of an insult to actual slaves. Nobody bought these people and forced them to work a farm or be a prostitute. They committed crimes. Since there's a punishment element here, they belong in prison. And since it's no fault of the taxpayers they need to pay for their room and board. So yea, I agree that they should work. That said, I've always felt that prison should also have a rehabilitation side. After all these folks will one day re-enter society. And they should do so with a skill so they can earn a living, have a life and be good citizens.
75% of court cases are decided by plea-bargains because poor people can't afford good representation, some cops have been busted planting drugs and drug charges tend to be most of the prison population, DNA evidence has exonerated many people, but its only available for big crimes.
Mr.Forrester--Have you heard of human trafficking? Lot of people get sucked into the sex/ domestic worker industry that way,and there is nothing voluntary about it. These people are LIED TO about the kinds of jobs they will get. Please do some reading before you comment.
I have worked in a Prison here in the state of TN, and I can say the most well behaved and friendly inmates I ever encountered in 5 years were the outside workers. They got to leave several days a week and go mow the grass on the side of highways, it's not just the labor and crappy pay. Many of these guys just love to be able to go outside the walls, and see the world. They aren't "Free" but it lets them see the community change with the time, and that alone can be enough motivation to not mess it up when back in and lose that little freedom they have.
Methinks you guys are getting caught up on the word slavery, and not on the whole "prison" part. Which do you prefer: Inmates who have nothing to do but sit around, fight each other (like animals, if you've ever watched a prison documentary), and learn nothing about being helpful to society, or inmates who learn a thing or two and can eventually be released from prison with some kind of usable experience? I would choose usable experience any day. They may not get paid much, but at least they get paid some, which (according to the documentaries, at least) they seem very happy about. All of their other expenses are taken care of anyway, like food, clothing, and housing (well, as close as it gets in prison). A minimum wage, for many people, can't even cover that. They get paid more than fairly for what they're doing in my opinion, especially considering that, again, THEY'RE IN PRISON.
Thank you. I hope that more prisons can work on rehabilitation and that more folks are given a second chance. Speaking of SLAVERY, would you consider doing a report on human trafficking of sex slaves, domestic slaves, which often involve children. This may be more common in the U.S. than we know. And how does the easy flow of immigrants foster those horrible practices.
See a woman named Nancy Schaeffer murdered congress woman who exposed CPS as a child trafficking agency, also you can look up Boystown which too was involved in child trafficking. The DC Madam who supplied underage boys and girls for rich individuals and politicians found hung in her mothers home. Lots of good information already out there.
I am a prison guard in Texas and you should do a video about the horrible staff shortage that is plaguing Texas prisons. Seriously, it is going to be a major crisis for the state sooner rather than later!
A couple of things to ponder. How many people are in prison for low level non violent drug offenses? What would the unemployment rate be in actual terms if those people were not incarcerated? I've often wondered if these prisoners had any opportunities where they grew up. Lousy underfunded schools and lack of any career path. Lack of jobs due to the mass de-industrialization. The advent of draconian laws and private prisons, all have fed the often racist endless school to prison pipeline. Wouldn't it be better for a society as a whole, If government put some the money spent on incarceration into vocational training for at risk youth? Particularly in low income areas that have a chronic shortage of jobs or opportunities. How about spending the money before they end up in prison instead of after. Like the old ad said, "You can pay me now....or pay me later.
No that would not help i am a youth in a very bad neigborhood were there is a drive by every night but i know right and wrong so i dont understand were u are coming from. But yes the schools here are absolutly fucked
Vegematic well. The unbelievably high costs to keep an inmate in prison seem crazy. Maybe the prison system itself is the most corrupted of all government branches. If you simply give the amount currently needed to keep an inmate locked up to those poor souls, none of them would have to commit shitty crimes that doesn't even pay much. LMAO
The problem is not prison labor at all, its the for profit prison industry, we live in a age of dirt cheap high speed data, yet prisons charge outrageous prices (mostly to the person receiving the call) just to call a loved one. You can not have a labor system that won't be abuse in for for profit system, not without heavy, and specific regulation. Yes that labor should benefit the prison, those funds should ease the burden on the taxpayer, but thats not exactly happening, that savings just pads profits, and creates a situation ripe for abuse. Its like police departments getting to keep what they confiscate under civil forfeiture.
We men are not very good at oppressing women, they get to spend more than they earn, work less than us, work safer less physically demanding jobs than us while we do all the dangerous work. We should really be complaining to our local Patriarchy chapter to get those roles reversed. I swear its almost like men invented labor saving devices like washing machines for women PRIOR to inventing basic safety equipment for men. We really do suck at this patriarchy thing.
Why would that be inconvenient for the patriarchy narrative? It's pretty damn obvious that the top elites of this world really don't give a shit about men who don't contribute monetarily to a significant degree. Unless you think those top elites, the smartest/wealthiest of the humans, are women and women are in charge, that kind of goes against what we see played out, where men dominate most fields because they are better at competition/smarter in general. No, women aren't at the top making the rules, its old rich $green$ men. They don't give a shit about you your race or how manly your women become. In fact, if you remain sterile and a working citizen all the better, you are producing without reproducing, so that means more women/money/resources for them. Women hate other women, ok, but rich men give a shit about you, writing comments on youtube to spend your time, jerking off to their produced porn that objectifies men? Yeah, get the fuck outta here. Feminists are pawns of the patriarchy, giving more validation and control to the elites to send white males to their deaths in false wars.
Here's the thing about prison labor. It is worth $2 billion. So that means there's a huge financial incentive to get a lot of basically easy to manipulate guys in there. Not just on the part of the people selling the stuff. But the whole distribution chain, and many of the customers who get stuff cheaper. And the guys you want are not the hardened criminal types. You don't want arsonists. You don't want guys who are likely to start a fight because somebody bumps them. You want the doofus who gets caught shoplifting three times and so runs afoul of the 3-time loser law. Or the other doofus who gets caught with a month's worth of hash and so gets dinged for trafficking. Ask yourself why the "war on drugs" is so resilient and difficult to get rid of. Is it because there's big money in having people in prison? Where did the 3-time loser law come from? Is it because a lot of people get cheaper stuff because Joey-stupid-head can't stop shoplifting? I don't know what is the correct thing to do with somebody who can't stop shoplifting. But I really think a 25 year prison term is sub-optimal.
"Is it modern day slavery or a tool for rehabilitation?" Is this a mutually exclusive situation? So to address the "is it slavery" part, I looked up the word slavery. Apparently it's the state of being a slave. Duh. So I looked up slave. According to MW: Definition of slave 1 : a person held in servitude as the chattel of another 2 : one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence 3 : a device (such as the printer of a computer) that is directly responsive to another 4 : drudge, toiler Yipes! It may potentially have benefits for both the inmate and the prison system, but this looks like a pretty definitive answer to me.
1:40 - Reminds me of the song "Think about it" by flight of the Concords. "They're turning kids into slaves, just to make cheaper sneakers, but what's the real deal, because the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper? Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you have them made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?"
It truly is a shame these don't get more views. On America Uncovered and China Uncensored you and your team do excellent unbiased reporting with just enough snark to keep it light ish.
I think you missed a point with prison labour. If money is made from prisoners, then it creates a dilemma where the state is encourage to send people to prisons, even when not needed
I mean they take an income tax from average workers anyways, and the cost to maintain a prisoner is, as pointed out in this video, around 30,000 dollars, prison labour doesn't make more money than that per inmate so the state still loses money from imprisoning individuals.
yeahhh, why just follow the law and arrest actual criminals when you have the option of spending tremendous amounts of money in court and criminal processing in order to unlawfully acquire unproductive prison workers who barely cover their prison cost and often not even that.
Even so, if I were to go to prison, i'd want to do work over sitting in a cell all day. Gives a sense of purpose in my opinion. At the end of the day though, i've never been to prison, so I can't say much on it.
@@msmorningstar2116 as someone who isn't a lifelong criminal, I would complain too. Working for less than a dollar per hour? How can any. American complain about cheap labor overseas but be OK with this? And of course inmates want something to do while locked up. But jails are making individuals rich and that's a huge conflict of interest that no one seems to care about. Wonder why.......just like the opioid crisis. Until it affects certain groups of people, nothing gets done
You're honestly the best source of news out there right now. Whether it's China Uncensored or America Uncovered, you provide straight facts with witty jokes and some great comentary. Keep the great content coming man!
I think the privatization of prisons is evil. Oh..And p.s. even if they Do get paid. Technically....so did slaves. (Depending on year and location, of course). Slave wages.
chikilyn07 you are crazy. You have wondered into the wrong place to shout out your crazy belief. I am sure most viewers on this channel are fairly balanced viewers.
Don't feel bad ... many of the CCP's slaves have not been convicted of any crime. Some of them have not even been officially charged, they're just detained unofficially.
It is embarrassing. In the bible, if you committed a crime you died, payed a fine, were lashed, or served seven years a slave. In America, they lock you in a room to be raped and tortured by 50 years, because you once tried marijuana.
it doesn't and even if it does it's not even comparable to the scale on which it happened in gulags. The russians even named a road "the bone road" in Siberia because so many prisonners died and were thrown beneath the road they were building
The only way to reform a prisoner is to educate them. Now as far as prison labor, I’m all for it. No one held a gun to their heads to commit a crime. “You do the crime, you do the time.” We don’t properly educate young people in school systems, the father figure was destroyed and we’ve stopped punishing our kids. The end results of all this is more crime by the young.
NMD moral of the story don't commit crimes. Now if you want to talk about criminal justice reform thats a whole different. Im a libertarian which means I find most laws unjust.
OK, how about I kidnap you from your house with your wife and kids, then feed you? In exchange, you do whatever the hell I tell you to or I'll lock you in a room with four rapists? Fair trade? I can think of other forms of "non-torture", if you prefer it for your non-compliance. Water-boarding, for example, was very recently not considered a form of torture.
Van Ivanov they are arrested for a crime, they weren't kidnapped.... If i had a choice between sitting in a jail cell or picking fruit in the sun ill take the sun any day.
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Why is the idea of being reformed or being punished is always portrayed as a dicotomy? It's fake. You can't be reformed if you were not punished. It's both. I blame Foucault.
1. the Roman’s took prisoners of war. Do you think that selling them was justified? Because that was their punishment. 2. The problem is, that the US profits so much, that they WANT to make their citizens commit crimes, so they have more cheap labor
You don't see any harm or potential for corrupt practices when prisons and private companies mutually benefit from prison labor? Do you think they have any interest in rehabilitation, reducing incarceration risk, community outreach, fair sentences, or minimizing the need for prisons in the first place?
Everyone has thought so, from the dawn of time. But when Lincoln saw slavery as a good excuse to kill several million Southerners and retake their land.... he made it evil, despite the fact child labour was totally acceptable and moral in those days (where the kids could be tortured with water and nails, for accidents).
Prison labour has nothing to do with slavery. Prison labour should be mandatory in order to 1) pay back the cost of their accommodation in prison; 2) pay back (at least partially) their victims; whenever to the living or their families, or institutions/companies 3) learn some potential skills to get a job afterwards. Also, any labour is also a form of social rehabilitation, learning discipline, useful skills et cetera. 4) pay back to the state that is always losing hard money because of their criminal activity - like the costs of their investigation and later of sentencing criminals in court (judges, state-provided lawyers etc.). Nothing's free. It is ridiculous to think that a free person has to work in order to get health insurance while prisoner's wouldn't have to do sh*t, et cetera.
Wow! What a great in-depth analysis for human decency and humanity!! You guys' works are just amazing!! Many many thanks for enlightening me, Chris!!!!
Slavery is the coercive ownership of humans as property for the purpose of involuntary servitude and exploitation. The exception clause in the 13th amendment applies only to involuntary servitude, but slavery itself is outright banned. Another form of "involuntary servitude" is the military draft, but nobody calls that "slavery."
As usual, great and informative video. However, why didn't you touch on the idea that allowing prison labor might incentivize more imprisonment? Do you have an opinion?
I see prison where the convicts spend all day pumping iron, watching TV, and playing cards. These chain gangs keep the prisoners from killing each other.
Part of the problem is we only bother with the rehabilitation after they've committed a crime, not before. But it has to be a tool for rehabilitation. We can't be in the process of giving up on human beings.
Prisoners deserve the ability to vote, be protected by labor laws, and to earn at least minimum wage. The prison industry should focus on rehabilitation and other solutions than imprisonment for non-violent crimes, instead of profiting of the prisoners' work and trying to maintain maximum capacity at all times.
I don't think people truly understand just how important it is to teach prisoners life skills......... but I do understand why 'forced' labour in prison is an issue.
Its slavery when your business is causing damage to your employees body and you only pay them minimum wage cause you want cheap labor. For God's sake! Thats much harder work than sitting in an office chair staring at a computer screen for minimum wage.
That feeling when you think this video is, unlike the others, biased, but then you get to the other half of the video and the whole opposite side of the argument appears. Chris, you've done it again!
It's hard to wait for that part.
Danna Henderson I see no problem with prisoners being forced to work. Everyone Hass to work how come they shouldn’t have to work?
@@douglasw1545 They should at least get paid minimum wage for it. Especially people with small offenses like petty theft .
If you want modern slavery just look at the majority of slave trades that are still continuing in Africa.
Abyssinia Empire sad and true
Libya.
Probably north korea and dubai as well
Since this show is called America Uncovered. Uh,
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Modern slavery also occurs in Europe and America. And not just in prisons.
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yeah, its refreshing to watch this channel. their isnt a tv channel i trust more then this cast.i hope they get real big
Why did u emphasize they are “real news”? Because u knew they are not clearly! So sham
To be honest it covers US in a much more informed and unbiased way. But well, that's also expected.
I think Chris should collab in pewnews
Prisons clearly get better results when they're geared towards rehabilitation, but Warden Burl Cain made a very good point. Rehabilitating prisoners in prisons is a solution to the effects of a problem, it does not solve the problem(s) that caused the imprisonment of the inmates which the prison systems are trying to rehabilitate, whatever those problems may be.
But the situation is where prisoners are *forced* into rehabilitation (or at least rehabilitation is better than the alternative) which isn't exactly going to fly anywhere outside of bootcamp. And even then, the majority will still re-offend, so it is questionable how successful the rehabilitation was in the first place (nevermind parole seems designed to send people back to prison).
Add into that the majority of prisoners are low-level drug offenders who pose more risk to themselves than anyone else, and it is questionable what they were being rehabilitated for in the first place, short of enjoying a blunt outside of Colorado.
The main problem is too many laws, too harsh of sentences, and too many ways to become entangled with the prison system, which rehabilitation does nothing to address.
I agree, however I think most people who actually need rehabilitation will not voluntarily apply for it, so I think they should be forced into it. I disagree with drug prohibition entirely, which is another dissertation entirely it's own, short version is I think there are much more responsible ways to handle the drug problem than simply outright banning them. Looking at alcohol prohibition compared to the way alcohol and tobacco are handled now would give a glimpse into my views on that. I also agree there should be a lot more done about problems causing high recidivism rates. Such as how hard it is to get a job with a criminal record, the way gang affiliates are threatened if they try to leave the gang, or their loved ones are threatened, as well as addictions and relapse into addictions, and general lack of ability to integrate into society and support oneself legally.
NODnuke45 I can see Warden but to be a good catholic.
@@NODnuke45 The issue with alcohol prohibition was due to alcohol's massive presence in the culture of the society. It is difficult to force a society to give up a cultural norm. Now if you're trying to say that crime and violence is a cultural feature of certain groups of people, well, you may be onto something. People may find those words rather harsh, but one does wonder.
@@cstgraphpads2091 All I'm saying is that the war on drugs, it is pretty clear to me, is doing more damage than it could ever mitigate, and that will always be the case. There are a wide range of people it seems, who will try to get their hands on certain drugs whether they are legal or not, which creates a certain demand for them, which, if they are banned drugs, creates opportunity for criminal suppliers. This in turn enables elements of the criminal underworld to fund and supply their other criminal activities as well, and this all results in the police having to be more militarized and aggressive to compensate. None of that is good, and people should be considering alternatives in law that would actually work to minimize the damage that is caused to people's lives as a result of those laws, and since alcohol prohibition was ended, well, I've never heard of anyone getting killed by organized crime over a case of liquor since, or criminals dealing alcohol at all anymore either for that matter...
Another wonderful video. I love how you present honest and unbiased points of both sides of an issue. I always thought that prison labor was a good thing. I never even realized there was another point of view. Thank You for opening my eyes. I can't wait for the next episode.
Glad you liked it! Thanks for commenting!
I see no problem with prisoners being forced to work. Everyone Hass to work how come they shouldn’t have to work?
@@douglasw1545in Western democracies we are not forced by some authority to do labour. We can opt out unlike the prisoners.
Half of the people seem to be okay with this. Because it's not them.
Disturbing isn't it? The total lack of morality or empathy truly this world is fucked.
Donbd83 Very!
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The biggest problem with allowing prisons to make money off the prisoners, is that it encourages the prison industry to get more people into prison, which makes it more likely for innocent people to end up in prison for petty laws.
It can be good to let prisoners work, so long as the goal of them working is to convert them into better people. If it is profit driven, then it will be bad for the entire population. If it is punishment driven, then it will lead to inevitable abuse.
Question is if it's compulsory or not, if they get to choose to work it can't be seen as a bad thing tbh, allot of retired people prefer to work when not needing to, so may be personal preference to reduce monotony of day to day, plus w.e benefits. Beyond that it may be doing 2 things, one prevents ppl from thinking a free room and food( I'm sure it's not worse than the lower 50% of cooks) and two keep people who work for almost nothing feel that hey it could be worse. Prevents ppl like homeless who probably make almost nothing from seeing a easy way to feed and house themselves. hence fear of rape, fear of getting attacked even tho hey u can sue now if eather happends, prevents abuse of a system some may not hate, mean did everyone see timeout as a punishment? Seems to most it would b no different than being between classes as school just sorta hanging around everyone, to allot that's a better prospect than a job, but they can't let u know that, or crime would go up. But as I said I know ppl who work, just to get outta the house. So if not forced and they get some level of compensation or privileges abc the others? I don't see what there is to complain about. What r they gonna do buy a car? What I see might happen is instead of y'all thinking they'll get a raise, that oh if it pays for their room and board, then all should have to work, so by complaining y'all may be making it worse, already see them complain abt taxpayer money and the inequality that some work and some don't ect, so funny by complaining abt the conditions and already having expectations, ur gonna turn what was a choice to get outta sitting around all day, to forced labor education and literally concentration camp like conditions. If u feel the prison spending is bad now all the " fixes" ppl feel can help will just lead to the level of spending u see the military do, and tbh they're not much different, ones a bit more formal and pays a bit better, but u gotta work and they won't house u if ur a criminal, the other if u fail at being a criminal feeds u houses u for free, one ur friends die other they can't leave, so 2 choices if ur a bum with no life and no place be a criminal try to get rich if u fail always got a free room in jail, or so t be a criminal sign a few years away agree to die , agree not to sue the doctors face even more jail if u fuck up risk losing all pay and join military. Real problem isn't eather of those but a surplus of unnecessary people and finding a way to keep them off the streets and making the country look bad, which is what it boils down to, prison is just the societal failures of culturing soldiers like rejected livestock, were all born to kill, steal and other activity, how almost every society is or ur built to work, those r really only choices don't fit into that u end up homeless or a criminal and somewhat swept under the rug, even the hippies made to eather cut back population or die off, or have upset kids, that will work hard not to be you or be so angry theyll b good soldiers. Kinda how it's always been since forever and surprised people don't see it, even forced labor in old prisons was to get those that don't work, to work, correctional system no? Mean picture this u can steal ur whole life to get ahead, and worst case u get a free room and food just gotta wake up and go to bed when they say, not a bad deal tbh. I know that, they know that, and they want u to all agree to bring back the forced labor and create the system u seem so against, and how rigged is it that all u gotta do for it to happen is complain? even me explaining it may cause it, that's how rigged as I said it is.
Well regulated and well-managed prison labour pays for itself, overall you'll end up with less reoffending criminals and more hardworking taxpayers.
Well put! It's a long-term investment that doesn't pay itself back immediately. but it's totally worth it for both the prisoners and society as a whole.
Until robotization cripple us all
Yeah, that's why God allowed slavery for criminals. It is the best system to rehabilitate them.
The problem is, thanks to Clinton, we have a mostly private prison system. They are providing free labor to ALEC member corporations. If you live in Arkansas and sign up for rehab..you'll be gutting chickens for Tyson. I suggest searching Jimmy Dore's video's for prison labor. I think this guy missed that people are not getting out for good behavior.. " The good ones are the ones they use ".. We also are jailing people for non violent drug crimes longer than rapits,,
Anna, that's a fundamental issue with the prison system as a whole, if it were done my way I'd abolish private prisons altogether.
There are things that should be kept private and some things that should be handled by the state, criminal justice is without a doubt the responsibility of the state.
If they work, they should be paid minimum wage. I worked with developmentally disabled. They were paid $0.50 an hour to mow lawns, break down cardboard, etc.
Don't want to be a slave?
Don't break the law!
Exactly. Consider it a free form of schooling for dumb-asses. With luck, you'll get out a more productive and moral person. When Christianity is emphasized, it has some good results.
Ricardo Santos that’s why we elect people who want less regulations.
Harpy Productions it doesn’t, your just projecting, or not understanding what the basis of it is.
But I didn’t commit anything i was framed
Yep
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I feel guilty saying this, but it's fairly easy to dehumanize murderers and rapists.
redd Greene Blue. . . . but those guys are probably mostly drug dealers and theives. Whod let rapists and murderers work outdoors where they can escape?
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I haven't seen any facts to claim majority or minority offenses in contrast to the prison labor system.
I will agree with you that the war on drugs absolutely fuels this 200bn industry.
Murders and rapists are locked up in ultramax, on death row, or are lucky to see anything but that.
Most people doing the work just had some weed on them.
@@Seth9809 that is SO WRONG
@@marissadonelson2035 I've worked alongside the people who are in prision right now, most of them had a handful of grams or barely qualified as "drunk" according to Arizona law.
Here, you could drink a beer, wait 70-120 minutes, and wind up in jail for drunk driving.
Prison is for both Rehabilitation and Punishment.
Rape and murder are crimes that formerly were death. You cannot rehabilitate a dead victim especially a murdered rape victim.
Having said that I am surprised you had not one mention of the Shawshank Redemption....
I once met a fellow who told me about how when he was in prison he entered one of these Rehabilitation work programs in which he was an employee of Habitat for Humanity getting something like $0.14 per hour for helping them to build houses. After his release he went to Habitat for Humanity and applied for a job. With the utmost disdain they told him, "we don't hire your kind here."
In other words Jimmy Carter has been busy making use of that prison system to do this "charity" on the backs of others.
A very Shawshank thing.
Private companies also sometimes use their power to increase the number of inmates (by influencing courts) in order to have a greater workforce. Which is a horrible thing, undeniably.
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Citation needed.
Because they're slave traders. Kidnappers. Slavery can be good for criminals, but woe to the kidnapper who wrongfully enslaves an innocent man.
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I don't understand what you're talking about.
Judges get in trouble for convicting people right left and center, while taking kickbacks, how do you not know about this?
@@---uf2zl nice talking point, citation however is definitely needed.
Keep in mind that if that would be happening in China or Russia it would not be considered a "rehabilitation technique"
Are prisons slave labor? My inclination is to say "Yes.". Mostly because a lack of labor often entails direct punishment.
That's one problem I have with most prison rehabilitation programs. They're basically made mandatory by threat of punishment. Participation in them should be encouraged with carrots, not forced with sticks. A program you are compelled to participate seems like it would be a lot less effective.
I guess I'd like to see statistics about that though.
Also, there are almost no knowledge worker jobs in prison. To be fair, the ability of the average inmate to do that sort of job is on average less than the general population. But there are a lot of inmates who could do them. And those kinds of jobs are a much better preparation for eventual release.
Eric Hopper well said.
I did some research on rehabilitation over retribution. And what I found was interesting. In Norway, Sweden, and Germany they allow inmates to wear their own clothes, provide them with their own room and bathroom, allow them to cook their own meals, and use things such as swimming pools, play instruments, play video games. They have the lowest recidivism rate in the world. The prisons also focus on mental rehabilitation as well as forgiveness with the victims. They do provide work, but the conditions are more than fair and they can spend it on some shops in the prison.
One side argues that giving them labor is a way of humanizing them. Well that’s pretty funny to think because these countries have found a way to humanize them without forcing them to work. This argument that work makes people more human is just a way to make people turn a blind eye to what this is slavery. These inmates might be paid but how much say do they have in whether they want to work or not?
It’s inhuman to force this sort of labor. The labor in other countries does not directly benefit a corporation its suppose to benefit the person. This is a form of modern day slavery.
It does not depend only on how you treat the inmate but also on their background.
For instance, radicalist islamists converted other inmate that were there for small crimes. Search for "Islamist radicalization in European prisons"
Thus i think americans don't have the moral background as do some europeans when it comes to accept and integrate again based on how well they were treated
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I was on a chain gang in Florida for "disorderly conduct." Which basically means the police don't like how you are acting (though you're not doing anything specifically illegal) and they lock you up. I did 30 days working ten hours Monday they Friday. I got paid zero. That is slavery. No one should be profiting off of the unpaid work that I did. Thankfully they were kind enough to serve us 1800 calories a day.
This was wonderfully enlightening. I worked with two felons who made a big impact on me and really made me want to see former inmates given the opportunity to succeed in life. I never realized the role prison jobs could play in that.
Saying that prison labor isn’t slavery because they’re housed, fed, and clothes by the prison just sounds like an antebellum defense for plantations. They’re still abused and underpaid, and our “criminal justice” is still full of loopholes for plenty of innocent people to fall into.
The test in the UK (following the abolition of "hard labour" sentences decades ago) is that inmate labour should benefit the inmate. If that simple test is honestly applied, it allows the positives of inmate labour and prohibits the abuse. The problem, though, is that in both the UK and the USA, a lot of prisons are run quite badly and things are simply not orderly enough for constructive work and education to take place. (The worst offenders on both sides of the Atlantic seem to be the privately-run prisons.) In the UK, though, you don't get the impression that anyone's making such a profit out of prison labour that people are being convicted and sentenced mainly to provide that labour. One sort of gets the impression that it might be true in the USA, though -and it's absolutely beyond doubt that this is true in Communist China, where people can end up in labour camps without even being charged with a crime. For both Hitler and Stalin, forced labour was an important part of their economic plans, and both regimes sent people to labour camps for some very minor offences, such as "being gay" followed, a few years later by "being male and French" or "being Polish." (Both Hitler and Stalin using the latter excuse.)
As a non American my question is how tf can you have private prisons, the whole concept of that is extracting wealth from troubled members of society
Don’t murder kidnap torture or rape people and you won’t end up in hard labor prison. Serves them right
Not all of them are in for that
Im not opposed to prisoners doing public works, like maybe picking up trash, but I am opposed to them being used by basically being rented out as slaves for private businesses. I think this is in someway exploitative of prisoners (I do think prisoners deserve some level of humanity) and more importantly, this is just businesses taking away would could be a regular job for a normal American and giving it to prisoners slaves instead.
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inmates are not slaves… they’re convicted felons, not some innocent enslaved people🙄 they must suffer for their crimes, forcing them to hard labor is a fair punishment 🧐
Exactly, people in these comments are literally saying that this is unfair, It is very fair, the criminal decided to cause the crime. He started it, now he has to deal with it.
The assertion that prison labor is analogous to slavery is kind of an insult to actual slaves. Nobody bought these people and forced them to work a farm or be a prostitute. They committed crimes. Since there's a punishment element here, they belong in prison. And since it's no fault of the taxpayers they need to pay for their room and board. So yea, I agree that they should work. That said, I've always felt that prison should also have a rehabilitation side. After all these folks will one day re-enter society. And they should do so with a skill so they can earn a living, have a life and be good citizens.
Richard Forester when was the last time you break the law. When was the last time you lied about things, conned people, cheated to get ahead?
Tevo77777 the black students who did not do those things were called Uncle Tom or wanted to be white or nerd ass boy. Culture is the problem.
I hope the presenter sees this comment
75% of court cases are decided by plea-bargains because poor people can't afford good representation, some cops have been busted planting drugs and drug charges tend to be most of the prison population, DNA evidence has exonerated many people, but its only available for big crimes.
Mr.Forrester--Have you heard of human trafficking? Lot of people get sucked into the sex/ domestic worker industry that way,and there is nothing voluntary about it. These people are LIED TO about the kinds of jobs they will get. Please do some reading before you comment.
I have worked in a Prison here in the state of TN, and I can say the most well behaved and friendly inmates I ever encountered in 5 years were the outside workers. They got to leave several days a week and go mow the grass on the side of highways, it's not just the labor and crappy pay. Many of these guys just love to be able to go outside the walls, and see the world. They aren't "Free" but it lets them see the community change with the time, and that alone can be enough motivation to not mess it up when back in and lose that little freedom they have.
Morality. Opportunity. Purpose. The US doesn't hire felons.
Actually it does.
I don't think murderers and rapists/child molesters should be rehabilitated.They should automatically be put on death row
Lol, no offense chris, but your argument is "It's not slavery, it's just nearly unpaid labor with little to no rights for the workers"
People in the comments will argue all day that it's not slavery because locking them up costs money.
Methinks you guys are getting caught up on the word slavery, and not on the whole "prison" part. Which do you prefer: Inmates who have nothing to do but sit around, fight each other (like animals, if you've ever watched a prison documentary), and learn nothing about being helpful to society, or inmates who learn a thing or two and can eventually be released from prison with some kind of usable experience? I would choose usable experience any day. They may not get paid much, but at least they get paid some, which (according to the documentaries, at least) they seem very happy about. All of their other expenses are taken care of anyway, like food, clothing, and housing (well, as close as it gets in prison). A minimum wage, for many people, can't even cover that. They get paid more than fairly for what they're doing in my opinion, especially considering that, again, THEY'RE IN PRISON.
I dont see anything wrong in using prisoners to build roads, clean the sewers, etc but then we have the problem of unemployment.
Thank you. I hope that more prisons can work on rehabilitation and that more folks are given a second chance. Speaking of SLAVERY, would you consider doing a report on human trafficking of sex slaves, domestic slaves, which often involve children. This may be more common in the U.S. than we know. And how does the easy flow of immigrants foster those horrible practices.
John from Active Self Protection is doing something about just that, recently. Going to Thailand, to help kids who have been used in brothels.
See a woman named Nancy Schaeffer murdered congress woman who exposed CPS as a child trafficking agency, also you can look up Boystown which too was involved in child trafficking. The DC Madam who supplied underage boys and girls for rich individuals and politicians found hung in her mothers home.
Lots of good information already out there.
I am a prison guard in Texas and you should do a video about the horrible staff shortage that is plaguing Texas prisons. Seriously, it is going to be a major crisis for the state sooner rather than later!
A couple of things to ponder. How many people are in prison for low level non violent drug offenses? What would the unemployment rate be in actual terms if those people were not incarcerated? I've often wondered if these prisoners had any opportunities where they grew up. Lousy underfunded schools and lack of any career path. Lack of jobs due to the mass de-industrialization. The advent of draconian laws and private prisons, all have fed the often racist endless school to prison pipeline.
Wouldn't it be better for a society as a whole, If government put some the money spent on incarceration into vocational training for at risk youth? Particularly in low income areas that have a chronic shortage of jobs or opportunities. How about spending the money before they end up in prison instead of after. Like the old ad said, "You can pay me now....or pay me later.
About half of America can't afford food and rent... so yeah, that's how the opportunities look, for most people. "Starvation, or crime."
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Where did you get that stat? Hunger isn't that widespread in the Americas (on the contrary to obesity).
Stop trying to tell us about how bad Hillary is, we know, we don't care.
No that would not help i am a youth in a very bad neigborhood were there is a drive by every night but i know right and wrong so i dont understand were u are coming from. But yes the schools here are absolutly fucked
Vegematic well. The unbelievably high costs to keep an inmate in prison seem crazy. Maybe the prison system itself is the most corrupted of all government branches. If you simply give the amount currently needed to keep an inmate locked up to those poor souls, none of them would have to commit shitty crimes that doesn't even pay much. LMAO
The problem is not prison labor at all, its the for profit prison industry, we live in a age of dirt cheap high speed data, yet prisons charge outrageous prices (mostly to the person receiving the call) just to call a loved one. You can not have a labor system that won't be abuse in for for profit system, not without heavy, and specific regulation.
Yes that labor should benefit the prison, those funds should ease the burden on the taxpayer, but thats not exactly happening, that savings just pads profits, and creates a situation ripe for abuse. Its like police departments getting to keep what they confiscate under civil forfeiture.
Prisoners are also disproportionately male... but let's ignore that. Kinda inconvenient for the patriarchy narrative.
Maybe the patriarchy encourages men to be all tough and commit crime, while women just sit at home.
We men are not very good at oppressing women, they get to spend more than they earn, work less than us, work safer less physically demanding jobs than us while we do all the dangerous work. We should really be complaining to our local Patriarchy chapter to get those roles reversed. I swear its almost like men invented labor saving devices like washing machines for women PRIOR to inventing basic safety equipment for men. We really do suck at this patriarchy thing.
Why would that be inconvenient for the patriarchy narrative? It's pretty damn obvious that the top elites of this world really don't give a shit about men who don't contribute monetarily to a significant degree. Unless you think those top elites, the smartest/wealthiest of the humans, are women and women are in charge, that kind of goes against what we see played out, where men dominate most fields because they are better at competition/smarter in general. No, women aren't at the top making the rules, its old rich $green$ men. They don't give a shit about you your race or how manly your women become. In fact, if you remain sterile and a working citizen all the better, you are producing without reproducing, so that means more women/money/resources for them. Women hate other women, ok, but rich men give a shit about you, writing comments on youtube to spend your time, jerking off to their produced porn that objectifies men? Yeah, get the fuck outta here. Feminists are pawns of the patriarchy, giving more validation and control to the elites to send white males to their deaths in false wars.
Here's the thing about prison labor. It is worth $2 billion. So that means there's a huge financial incentive to get a lot of basically easy to manipulate guys in there. Not just on the part of the people selling the stuff. But the whole distribution chain, and many of the customers who get stuff cheaper. And the guys you want are not the hardened criminal types. You don't want arsonists. You don't want guys who are likely to start a fight because somebody bumps them.
You want the doofus who gets caught shoplifting three times and so runs afoul of the 3-time loser law. Or the other doofus who gets caught with a month's worth of hash and so gets dinged for trafficking.
Ask yourself why the "war on drugs" is so resilient and difficult to get rid of. Is it because there's big money in having people in prison? Where did the 3-time loser law come from? Is it because a lot of people get cheaper stuff because Joey-stupid-head can't stop shoplifting?
I don't know what is the correct thing to do with somebody who can't stop shoplifting. But I really think a 25 year prison term is sub-optimal.
"Is it modern day slavery or a tool for rehabilitation?" Is this a mutually exclusive situation?
So to address the "is it slavery" part, I looked up the word slavery. Apparently it's the state of being a slave. Duh. So I looked up slave. According to MW:
Definition of slave
1 : a person held in servitude as the chattel of another
2 : one that is completely subservient to a dominating influence
3 : a device (such as the printer of a computer) that is directly responsive to another
4 : drudge, toiler
Yipes! It may potentially have benefits for both the inmate and the prison system, but this looks like a pretty definitive answer to me.
1:40 - Reminds me of the song "Think about it" by flight of the Concords.
"They're turning kids into slaves, just to make cheaper sneakers,
but what's the real deal, because the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper?
Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you have them made by little slave kids?
What are your overheads?"
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Hardware_Geek still have slavery...
Maybe news organizations are immune???
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It truly is a shame these don't get more views. On America Uncovered and China Uncensored you and your team do excellent unbiased reporting with just enough snark to keep it light ish.
Nope, using a 27" monitor cause I have to see that face in all it's glory. Lol.
Sound like a white wash sugar coating story to me justifying slavery in prisons.
I think you missed a point with prison labour. If money is made from prisoners, then it creates a dilemma where the state is encourage to send people to prisons, even when not needed
I mean they take an income tax from average workers anyways, and the cost to maintain a prisoner is, as pointed out in this video, around 30,000 dollars, prison labour doesn't make more money than that per inmate so the state still loses money from imprisoning individuals.
Interesting arguments
yeahhh, why just follow the law and arrest actual criminals when you have the option of spending tremendous amounts of money in court and criminal processing in order to unlawfully acquire unproductive prison workers who barely cover their prison cost and often not even that.
They have to work, it's not slavery, it's dignity.
Even so, if I were to go to prison, i'd want to do work over sitting in a cell all day. Gives a sense of purpose in my opinion. At the end of the day though, i've never been to prison, so I can't say much on it.
I was in county for 90 days. I wish I had a job to kill time.
Rusty Shackleford ah they caught ol' rusty shackleford, I never expected that!
Rusty Shackleford are you the real shackleford?
Most inmates do want a job to kill time.
The ones complaining are the ones calling it slavery. We know who they are.
@@msmorningstar2116 as someone who isn't a lifelong criminal, I would complain too. Working for less than a dollar per hour? How can any. American complain about cheap labor overseas but be OK with this?
And of course inmates want something to do while locked up. But jails are making individuals rich and that's a huge conflict of interest that no one seems to care about. Wonder why.......just like the opioid crisis. Until it affects certain groups of people, nothing gets done
@@tbj5854 They work for minimum wage, but most of their money goes to the prison rather than the worker.
You're honestly the best source of news out there right now. Whether it's China Uncensored or America Uncovered, you provide straight facts with witty jokes and some great comentary. Keep the great content coming man!
Im surprise.. Trump did a Great Job as the US president.
AdoboFlash No he didn't.
Lol this issue goes back before Trump you dimwit.
My university forced me and hundreds of other students to work in their restaurant without pay, so yeah slavery exists in modern America.
I think the privatization of prisons is evil.
Oh..And p.s. even if they Do get paid. Technically....so did slaves. (Depending on year and location, of course). Slave wages.
Waiting on the " ITS ALL TRUMPS FAULT" comment
I don't see any.
You'd have to be pretty dumb to say that, since its been happening for decades.
chikilyn07 you are crazy. You have wondered into the wrong place to shout out your crazy belief. I am sure most viewers on this channel are fairly balanced viewers.
I'm supposed to worry about some criminal getting meals and a roof being a "slave". Cry me a river.
Yeah the American prison system is embarrassing. Makes me feel hypocritical for being critical of the CCP.
Don't feel bad ... many of the CCP's slaves have not been convicted of any crime. Some of them have not even been officially charged, they're just detained unofficially.
It is embarrassing. In the bible, if you committed a crime you died, payed a fine, were lashed, or served seven years a slave. In America, they lock you in a room to be raped and tortured by 50 years, because you once tried marijuana.
Not only did you not watch the video...
Nah, you can legally be critical of one, the United States of America is bad, but it's infinitely better than the C.C.P.
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Uh, I totally watch the video. I made my comment objectively.
Not gonna lie, I would love to see a Russia uncovered channel too. Your content is just too good!
I think this is what a gulag is.
Yes and no. It is slavery, too, but it was a very cruel form of slavery. You could be shot for anything, or dragged out and tortured to death.
And that does not happen in American prisons?
I think an american prison vs a gulag is not even comparable. Gulags being so much worse
it doesn't and even if it does it's not even comparable to the scale on which it happened in gulags. The russians even named a road "the bone road" in Siberia because so many prisonners died and were thrown beneath the road they were building
You dont get 3 meals a day in a gulag.
Wow this is legit the best news source I know
If black people don't like prison then they should stop committing so many felonies.
Xcaliber Trekker I could say the same about Appalachian hill billies; lay off the incest and on the felonies lol
To be fair some of them are there for non felonies like drug use, which honestly should not be a crime
+Mr I agree :-)
+Top Agreed but they don't send you to prison for drug use unless you are a habitual(repeat) offender.
The only way to reform a prisoner is to educate them. Now as far as prison labor, I’m all for it. No one held a gun to their heads to commit a crime. “You do the crime, you do the time.” We don’t properly educate young people in school systems, the father figure was destroyed and we’ve stopped punishing our kids. The end results of all this is more crime by the young.
*_THIS IS AMERIGA!_*
Conor Climo Prisoners have the chance to do some actual work while at the same time rehabilitate into society? America sounds pretty good to me.
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Jayvis Mendoza Even though most of the time US Prisoners join gangs and engages in illicit activity behind bars. Learning nothing at all.
This is Al - Meriqa ...!!!
I cannot be more grateful for such well-balanced videos! Finally I media outlet I can trust.
We food them, fair trade.
NMD moral of the story don't commit crimes. Now if you want to talk about criminal justice reform thats a whole different. Im a libertarian which means I find most laws unjust.
OK, how about I kidnap you from your house with your wife and kids, then feed you? In exchange, you do whatever the hell I tell you to or I'll lock you in a room with four rapists? Fair trade? I can think of other forms of "non-torture", if you prefer it for your non-compliance. Water-boarding, for example, was very recently not considered a form of torture.
Van Ivanov they are arrested for a crime, they weren't kidnapped.... If i had a choice between sitting in a jail cell or picking fruit in the sun ill take the sun any day.
The answer is, like Christ said, depend on how you view prison system: punishment or rehabilitation?
Ricardo Santos youre choosing to break that rule... you act like these people are in prision for jail walking Haha
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Why is the idea of being reformed or being punished is always portrayed as a dicotomy? It's fake. You can't be reformed if you were not punished. It's both.
I blame Foucault.
Of course.
Freedom and the pursuit of happiness are constitutional rights, aren't they? Loose those upon a court order.
@Ricardo Santos Uh.... you do realize that work as punishment is framed in the Constitution? Food for thought. It's lawful if it's in there.
For-profit private prisons are making billions a year. Let's not say that 20 cents an hour is paid to "cut costs."
this is no slavery..this is punishment,,hard labour
If someone else profits from it and workers get heavy underpayed: it's slavery.
Increase their wage, and everything is fine and dandy.
The problem is when the government wants to make it real easy to get incarcerated for the sole purpose of free labor like N Korea
1. the Roman’s took prisoners of war. Do you think that selling them was justified? Because that was their punishment.
2. The problem is, that the US profits so much, that they WANT to make their citizens commit crimes, so they have more cheap labor
You don't see any harm or potential for corrupt practices when prisons and private companies mutually benefit from prison labor? Do you think they have any interest in rehabilitation, reducing incarceration risk, community outreach, fair sentences, or minimizing the need for prisons in the first place?
They’re in prison, who cares?!
Don’t commit crime don’t become a slave... I fail to see the problem
Everyone has thought so, from the dawn of time. But when Lincoln saw slavery as a good excuse to kill several million Southerners and retake their land.... he made it evil, despite the fact child labour was totally acceptable and moral in those days (where the kids could be tortured with water and nails, for accidents).
In reality. A lot of people commit crimes, but aren't caught. So really what you are saying is. If you can't avoid being caught, don't do the crime.
Corporate America benefits
Another excellent video. The hard work that went into it really shows. Many thanks.
This is so much more complicated then on the surface
Prison labour has nothing to do with slavery.
Prison labour should be mandatory in order to
1) pay back the cost of their accommodation in prison;
2) pay back (at least partially) their victims; whenever to the living or their families, or institutions/companies
3) learn some potential skills to get a job afterwards. Also, any labour is also a form of social rehabilitation, learning discipline, useful skills et cetera.
4) pay back to the state that is always losing hard money because of their criminal activity - like the costs of their investigation and later of sentencing criminals in court (judges, state-provided lawyers etc.).
Nothing's free. It is ridiculous to think that a free person has to work in order to get health insurance while prisoner's wouldn't have to do sh*t, et cetera.
Nice video. That has always been a question in my mind. Nice to see a video that takes the time to break it down.
Wow! What a great in-depth analysis for human decency and humanity!! You guys' works are just amazing!! Many many thanks for enlightening me, Chris!!!!
Slavery is the coercive ownership of humans as property for the purpose of involuntary servitude and exploitation. The exception clause in the 13th amendment applies only to involuntary servitude, but slavery itself is outright banned. Another form of "involuntary servitude" is the military draft, but nobody calls that "slavery."
That was surprisingly well presented.
As usual, great and informative video. However, why didn't you touch on the idea that allowing prison labor might incentivize more imprisonment? Do you have an opinion?
Working is an immeasurable benefit for prisoners. It gives them a purpose and it breaks up monotony.
I see prison where the convicts spend all day pumping iron, watching TV, and playing cards. These chain gangs keep the prisoners from killing each other.
This video made me do a complete 180, another superb video!
Part of the problem is we only bother with the rehabilitation after they've committed a crime, not before. But it has to be a tool for rehabilitation. We can't be in the process of giving up on human beings.
I watch this episode very late. Using Smart Phone is inevitable and you almost cannot avoid it.
It’s not slavery when they get feed, a roof, and able to actually pay back their debt to society
Prisoners deserve the ability to vote, be protected by labor laws, and to earn at least minimum wage. The prison industry should focus on rehabilitation and other solutions than imprisonment for non-violent crimes, instead of profiting of the prisoners' work and trying to maintain maximum capacity at all times.
You are one of the best youtubers I've ever seen.
If there were no problems with it, nobody would complain. If there were no benifits to it, nobody would praise it.
I don't think people truly understand just how important it is to teach prisoners life skills......... but I do understand why 'forced' labour in prison is an issue.
This was very informative! 👨🎓
Being forced to work against your will or for next to nothing is slavery, I dont think it gets more simple than that.
Its slavery when your business is causing damage to your employees body and you only pay them minimum wage cause you want cheap labor. For God's sake! Thats much harder work than sitting in an office chair staring at a computer screen for minimum wage.
Modern slavery is a Walmart employee
I love your sound effects in your videos.
Prisoners NEED to work off their crimes. We just need not arrest people just to support this labor.
Slaves didn’t commit crimes, prisoners did
I like how they provided both sides as to let viewers make their own opinions. It’s harder to find stuff like this now. 👍👍👍
Pay equal wage into an escrow account for an inmate’s family.
Louisiana has incredibly long sentences for everything. If there was any kind of sentencing reform, half the prisoners might have been released.
Another episode well done, Chris.