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Heavy was designed with the shotgun in mind as another "primary" option, much like how Spy was designed with more revolver usage in mind. He has the shotgun for a reason. They were meant to be sort-of equal tools with different strengths (burst damage vs. high sustained damage), so I'm not surprised that you found the developer-intended playstyle to, you know, actually work.
If only it was a case for a revolver too, without using diamondback. Maybe then spy would've been an actual good class. Gunspy is just very fun, a shame it's a meme subclass.
@@ilyakusenco8151 Spy's revolver is actually a lot more passable than you might think. There's a reason Jontohil's video's meme on the fact that Spy actually has a revolver. The Diamondback is really overpowered but that doesn't take away from the fact that the revolver is still an okay option, especially because you can see who's at low health at any distance. The revolver could probably do with a small damage buff but the stock revolver is really not that bad. The L'etranger just makes it particularly noticeable because of the damage penalty.
Uncle Dane, 2020: “I was wrong about the panic attack, I forgot how strong shotguns were” Uncle Dane, 2024: “I was wrong about the Heavy, I forgot how strong the shotguns were”
I love how this video has the same energy as „SPY HAS A GUN“ or „I HAVE A SHOTGUN“, which is that he remember that the class actually has two weapon slots and not just one. That‘s the whole point of these phrases, classes don’t just have one weapon, they have two, and using them in combination is the intended playstyle.
@@giahuynguyenkim6389to be fair, syringes are sorta slept on as a defensive tool since they're hard to aim when chasing an enemy that's running away from you, but with how the syringe gun projectile works, it's much easier to hit someone running at you while backpedaling. crossbow still op tho, the burst heal is too strong.
@@mishagaming1075 Yeah medic is one of the classes with noticeably poorly balanced weapons IMO. Every other syringe gun is massively overshadowed by the crossbow letting the medic heal 100 HP at obscene ranges. Every other melee is overshadowed by the ubersaw giving you 1/4th of uber for each hit. Even the medi-guns, which have somewhat better balance since they all have their own use cases, are kind of overshadowed by stock.
@@Nickton12 Solemn Vow can be decent alternative to Ubersaw, and no, other mediguns not overshadowed by stock, there's many times when you'll want to use Kritz or Vac over Uber
I did some Fat Scout over on Harvest, against Snipers, and it worked. Minigun for a lot of enemies at once, Shotgun for when I'm on the move, and odd I know, default Fists for Pyros W+M1 towards me. Top scored, too.
@@CobaltIngot bro same I've been a shotgun on heavy advocate for a year now and now I don't think I'll be able to use family business without being called a trend chaser.
I think there are other reasons too beyond what he mentioned. The heavy is a magnet for new players. The minigun has a very low skill floor. Thats fine but people can get stuck on heavy. The shotgun is a bridge to other classes that have the same primary or secondary.
@@windhelmguard5295 Certainly many more people start on sniper and spy but the very high skill floors of these classes tend to push them to heavy with its low skill floor. Maybe its not popular with extremely new players but with players in say the 20 or 30 hour range.
Next year we’re gonna see something like “I main Winston now” and it’s just a completely played-straight video like he’s just been playing overwatch this entire time
Or alternatively he just never acknowledges that its overwatch. Imagine the video opening with "Winston is my least played class in TF2" followed by him comparing Winston's playstyle to other TF2 characters and just never acknowledging that he is not playing TF2. "Winston has excellent mobility however choosing to jump into the sightline of any sufficiently good sniper player will get his head blown off" Hearing him talk about Winstons tactical usage on 2fort would be GOLD
@@bradysullivan7120 "Sure he is no rocket jumping soldier and he doesn't have the long-range DPS of a sniper, he contributes a lot of his effectiveness with his mobility and his ability to get right up into their faces before they know it"
Oddly enough I always use the Beast and never do this. I always have the Dalokohs Bar and the Fists of Steel and just go maximum tank mode. (I mostly play 2Fort so that's probably why it works)
I have been vouching shotgun heavy for the longest time. It was how he was put in the game, he has the minigun for pre-meditated fights and the shotgun for unexpected battles, being covert and dodging the projectiles of Soldier & Demo. I had a fight where I was a Brass Beast / Shotgun heavy against a Direct Hit soldier in the Dustbowl stage 2 hallway. If I were to have revved my minigun I would have been shot 3 times and died, but because I had the shotgun, I was able to dodge two rockets and win the fight. I was then able to use the brass beast and mow down the unsuspecting people at the exit with my high DPS weapon. Both choices in my loadout were necessary to my success.
I agree But I also advocate for heavy to have a 4th weapon slot for lunchbox items. So that you can have a sandwich and shotgun and don't have to have them compete for a weapon slot
@@eur0be4t3r I mean at that rate, I kinda want to meme, and ask we also replace melee with lunchbox items, and let him use all 3 at once, just cosplay a dispenser.
@capperbuns That... No? A year is 12 months. Its been over a year since the pyro video. 10 videos in between means that thats less than a video a month. Im fine with that ofc, but lets not lie.
As a heavy main, I think that having satisfying hit sounds and kill sounds is super important to getting the most dopamine from the minigun, especially considering how many hits you deal
100% my brother. I changed my hit sound to the old school quake 3 hit sound (donk!) and my kill sound to the Taco Bell gong. Life improved approximately 10,000% highly recommend
@@headcrab4 Ooooh I need to get that one. One of my favorite ones to use was the hardbass notes, just turn heavy into a one person music making machine.
Slighty unrelated but it also the reason why I like playing heavy in mvm. Destroying my so many robots and being of the better classes to slay giant. You show those giants robot who boss. Combine with sound effect of the giant robot deaths and heavy lines(not so giant now, tiny giant. Which I first thought "no use fighting now, tiny giant"). But again there a sense of power when heavy clicks.
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I played heavy for about 800 hours from 2014 to 2017. It was my most played class by a massive margin. In that time, my typical loadout was the tomislav, the chocolate bar, and the eviction notice. Hundreds of hours of roaming, jump reving, and sneaking behind teams. Loads of fun. When the pyro update came out in 2017, they re-worked a ton of weapons, and one of the things they touched was the eviction notice. I felt like it was such a core part of my playstyle that I actually quit playing, and haven't really played tf2 ever since.
Same thing happened to me, though I preferred the family business instead of the chocolate bar. It was a pretty strong loadout that was slept on a lot because that sandwich healing was seen, I think wrongly, as being heavy's strongest option. Miss the old weapons.
@@HeydenHarvey It's been a long time since I've played so I'm rusty on the details, the important thing it did is it gave a speed boost that wasn't quite as high as the gloves, but also didn't have the downside of taking extra damage. I think they also did more damage than other melee options? My memory is super foggy. I'd use the eviction notice's speed boost to get a good position behind enemies, overheal with the chocolate bar and do ninja jump revving with the tomislav.
phase 3 is just using the shotgun the way it was designed to be used with heavy. So many people complain about how slow and clunky heavies minigun is because everyone is so used to running a lunchbox item they completely forget that the shotgun is STOCK for a reason. It was given to heavy to help him clear corners and engage targets in more "mobile" situations the minigun is for holding a specific line of sight where other factors help nullify its crippling downsides. Its so liberating to see uncle dane realize this and comment on it because damn even some heavy "main" youtubers don't realize this is or completely forget because healing 300 health is just that strong.
Ill be honest its skill issue but I haven’t had success with lunchbox items. I just keep using them out of position or woops just so happens my team died and I got caught deepthroating a sandwich. So I started ditching lunchbox items for the shotguns. Specifically the Panic attack. Uncle dane is right.
It's definitely not optimal in all situations, but it's the most explosive playstyle you can get with heavy. In my opinion: His biggest problem isn't him being too slow or his situational optimal use, but his lack of a strong unique vocal point in his gameplay. Outside of positioning which half the cast shares as a key component he only has tracking as his mostly unique standpoint. Scout has movement, demo/soldier are mostly* projectile focused with their own high skills ceiling movement. Pyro has utility while *having* to play close quarters in fights. Medic, spy and engi are playing another game (Aka, other objectives that help the gamestate) Sniper is sniper Of course all these traits bleed into other classes but heavy is just so normal compared to the rest. I wrote this quite hastily so there's bound to be some parts i left out or didn't think about.
So the too long didn't watch for this video is: Dane discovers that shotguns are pretty neat and make the class he's playing pretty fun (for the 3rd time)
@@timtam4596which is his fourth least played class iirc. Used to be fourth before at least kinda weird considering his roaming engi playstyle and all
as one of the 624 heavy mains in existence, I find that most of the 'fun' I have, boils down to making people think I don't see them, then flicking to them when they don't expect it. tons of hackusations, but it feels good, almost like medic, to see the rest of my team do great and have fun plus it gets me to 150 points in a full game pretty consistently
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This was a welcome surprise, as one of those five Heavy mains you mentioned. I confess I was getting a bit bored with Heavy gameplay, but over the last couple days I revisited Natascha, and the death threats I consistently get from opposing scouts has reinvigorated me.
You should see what I named my festive strange Natasha, after a while of people complaining to me, I've called it "Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint". In all seriousness I use it as a support Minigun
I like playing Heavy but honestly I can't tell the difference between the Natascha and stock. I know Natascha slows and does less damage, but I honestly feel like my gameplay doesn't change with either weapon
Shotgun heavy actually pairs with the brass beast really well. Ordinarily the brass beast is way too restrictive with it's movement, but if you primarily use the shotgun and only use the BB when you get a positional advantage it's great. The 20% extra damage is bonkers.
Yep this has been the way I've played heavy for a long time now. That extra damage makes it feel extra good to punish people who overcommit thinking they have the health to beat you, and it's really fun to then whip out a shotgun and starting chasing the players that survive.
dane out here spending 1 month of pure heavy play and experimentation to realize that heavy's stock loadout is what it is for a very good reason really goes to show how much psychological damage the lunchbox items have done to the TF2 community
I think heavy having a "heavy only" shotgun is a pretty obvious hint to this conclusion but i cant say ive ever thought of heavy in this way despite the fact.
Heavy is my most played class. But recently, I've been hesitant to play him as much because im worried i'll get bored of him. But this video made me realize that I always have the most fun with heavy when I use the shotgun. And that im not hindering myself by using it. The pieces have always been in place. The shotgun on heavy is good. We were just too gluttonous to see.
As a heavy main, you've somehow managed to find and thrive in a playstyle that's the exact opposite of everything I do. When I play heavy, it's usually with the intent of anchoring my team to stop them from getting rolled, which means I'll be positioning myself in cover near the front lines, and making sure my team is with me. To that end, I almost run Natascha, banana, and GRU. GRU and banana make life easier if there's no teleporter and dispenser/medic, and Natascha's slowdown effect makes both crowd control and divers much easier to deal with, which is a major problem for me with the other miniguns. I find it fun to hold the line and keep enemies off the objective, even if I don't get many kills because I'm doing suppression work. Survivability becomes less of an issue, which means that my biggest concern is actually ammo management. Miniguns chew through their very limited ammo _fast,_ and if there's no dispenser, only consistent source of ammo that won't take you away from the fight are divers trying to kill you. I'm not surprised you found the strong suit of Heavy's shotguns- if anything, I'm surprised it's not more commonly known, though I myself only swap to shotguns if there's no tele and I'm getting jumped during runback. I've never really considered a roaming heavy playstyle, mostly because he's so slow that getting anywhere meaningful takes forever, and at that point I'd rather swap to Scout or Pyro and have more fun doing the same thing. That said, I might have to give it another shot now...
Had the same experience. Shotgun changes how you play the class so much that I now think the sandvich is poorly designed. Also GRU is a great combat tool if your opponent is cornered.
One of my favourite things about fat scout is that, when your mini gun is basically your secondary, you can choose the weirder and more specialised options. I especially love using the Huo-Long Heater as an ambush tool. The Brass Beast can also be used as a dedicated defensive, stand-your-ground weapon.
I've been a Heavy main for a few years now. I think you hit the nail on the head with a lot of your criticisms of the class design overall. I'd also say it helps a lot to have an "ork brain" when you play this class, and by that I mean I like sustained fire weapons because I enjoy just holding down a button to make a lot of dakka happen.
As someone who had (and still does) trouble getting reliable hits with soldier or demoman, the appeal that the DAKKA of sustained mingun fire was also there for me as well. Clicking on someone and seeing their gibs just ain't the same, not the same kind of dramatic buildup and release upon killing the enemy.
One of the things i find most annoying while playing heavy (and in general …) are snipers; with a shotgun not only are you less of a sitting duck but you can try to aimpunch the sniper to make him miss gaining you time to try and get cover. Not that it is a reliable counter, but at least it gives you a way to influence the interaction rather then just hoping the sniper misses which at least feels a lot better
Yuuup, nothing's better as a heavy player than unloading The Family Business into a sniper and either see him die with a heavy bolting towards him or him trying to gain better cover to take you out, I like the feeling that I made that happen, haha.
I love everything about this video, some people may not like it but I appreciate it. And "shotgun heavy" phase, I agree with and went "YES" once it was brought up. Not too long ago I made a 2 part tutorial about playing *Stock Heavy* based on how I've played stock heavy over the months and how I understood it, and that shotgun heavy phase brought me back to how I expressed using the shotgun to co-side with the minigun to actually make it work (somehow). And when you said that you were taking "bad classes" and putting them under a new perspective hits right with me, because the reason that stock tutorial for Heavy exists is to give players a (ironically) new experience playing Heavy only with stock, and also to help understand how Heavy was originally designed. All with the style of old 2008-9 tf2 tutorials. By far, this is now my favorite video of yours and I can see the pattern of making every other least played class as your temporary main. And also is it a coincidence that my next stock tutorial will be for Engineer? When my previous one was for Heavy? Could be just timing. Edit: it is out now, nobody asked but it out.
Not only does the Tomislav offer a huge advantage with the faster, silent rev, but the higher accuracy also translates directly to higher DPS unless you're either at point-blank range, which you won't be because of the slow and loud spin-up, or you're up against a dense crowd, which basically never happens in TF2.
completely delusional, the better accuracy absolutely fucks you over at close to medium range and isn't desirable at all, similar to how the tighter spread of the shortstop screws over scouts trying to fight at their preferred range the tomislav is absolutely inferior to stock in DPS at every range besides medium to long, and as a heavy you should do your best to avoid engaging enemies at these ranges anyway if you feel that the tomislav is better, that's probably because you're unrevving your minigun all the time, which is a bad thing since your minigun does more damage the longer it stays revved up
@@Felipe-yv4bcare.. are you real? nobody wants to be a slow, easy to pick on target by explosive classes, it's the entire reason heavy was overshadowed. and heavy doesn't have neither of the tools required to flank and get into close range, the main flankers either have good mobility or some other tool that lets them get by unnoticed (spy) and since chokepoints involve a lot of medium range combat, you're gonna be preferring tomislav. also.. how does tighter spread fuck you over, again? you need to aim SLIGHTLY more precisely? oh the horrors!
@@mishagaming1075 the level of precision required to do more damage with the tomislav at close to medium range makes it almost always do less damage than stock, and you won't be doing more damage anyway since you're a tomislav main unrevving all the fucking time not getting that damage ramp up i sincerely fail to understand what does any of your other points have anything to do with what I said
ive been saying this for years im so glad a youtuber finally said it. we gonna see more heavys now, and more of them realising the sandvich isnt everything
15:50 THANK YOU for realizing how awesome the holiday punch is - I love making people laugh then taunt killing them. I will always equip the holiday punch and they have been and will be my favorite gloves. I spent like 10$ on really good strange gloves lol
13:15 I'm really glad you took a moment to mention the "base loadout" of just taking the minigun AND shotgun. I've always appreciated keeping a base loadout on every character as it reminds me the purpose of even switching weapons in the first place, while simultaneously showing how strong the class already is. I had basically formulated the same thought you would end up explaining in Phase 4 as I watched Phase 3 - if minigun slow then use shotgun until slow not bad. In the same way Pyro and Soldier really appreciate the shotgun due to their unique primaries, heavy ALSO appreciates the shotgun due to his primary. Tbh, I'm rather surprised the Medic never received some kind of "single shot secondary" like his compatriots did, while the Sniper received a full-auto secondary, something every full-auto primary class was seeking to avoid.
Heavy is real fun, usually, sometimes. Issue is that so much counters him. Snipers? He's a free headshot. Spies? The most free backsab ever. Demos? The biggest target in the world. Scouts? Runs circles around you. Soldiers? Eats you alive like you're an MRE.
Ironically, I started maining engineer recently.... The universe balances itself.... Also, the clip that you showed of why heavy is" boring" looks like what I would call peak TF2...
this video got me to realize something, i'm a "begginer" on tf2 (i've been playing on and off for 4 years) and my most played class is heavy. in recent times i've done a switch to pyro (specifically phlog) because of the lack of movement heavy had. with this video and your final loadout (tomislav, a shotgun and and the holiday punch) it changed my mind on heavy's movement, i enjoyed playing the class a whole lot more with said loadout
Hello, I am a Heavy main. I have loved this class ever since I started playing the game. You might ask what drives me to play Heavy since TF2 is a movement game and the Heavy is fat and slow. As much as I love going fast in videogames, I can't ignore the fact that I am MUCH more of an "Aimer Andy". You might also be asking why I don't just play Sniper since that is the class that I can get all of my juicy headshots on. Well, Sniper is just not an interactive class, that's really it. But also, you would be very surprised at all of the INSANELY stupid spots that Heavy can get to. I both enjoy playing Heavy as intended, as well as just sitting in funny spots and mowing down unsuspecting victims. There is just something very satisfying about tracking your enemies and killing them in seconds. It's also very satisfying when you outsmart your enemies by simply positioning better than them. Yeah sure, it's not a flashy class. I don't have access to a bunch of super cool looking plays as Heavy. But I get enough out of it just knowing that I either outsmarted another player, or aimed better than them. It may not be as cool and flashy, but what it lacks in flash, it makes up for with more calculated plays that you can do completely on your own if you wanted to. All of that......and the pootis pow is just amazing. I love screwing around with it!
damnnmn this is so cool, im a soldier main but seing this perspective even as an ultrakill fan(super fast game) is a cool way to see it keep it up shasha lover!!
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My favorite Heavy loadout is the brass beast, panic attack, and warriors spirit. The brass beast allows the heavy to tank more damage and mow down enemies at a longer range and instantly delete someone at close range. However, the rev speed doesn't allow the heavy to keep up with his targets, requiring him to be defensive and let others come to him. The panic attack allows you to push forward and get into the perfect position for people to walk into you without the danger of that long rev, and the quick switch speed alows you to fall back on it after unreving. The Warriors Spirt allows you deal a risky but devastating combo with the panic attack that is super satisfying. This helps the heavy keep his high burst damage when up close since you will be using the panic attack, which already requires you to get up really close to your enemies. As long as you don't equip the weapon while you are about to take a high amount of damage, the downside does not matter. That's just how I have fun as heavy.
@@Appletank8 Oh, thanks I did not know, even if be backstab is not that frustrating to me, but the sniper mains that quick shoot you from the other side of the map...yeah
My ideal heavy update would include adding an extra item slot, and 2 new types of weapons in particular. Make sandvich and shotgun both equippable with a lunchbox/utility slot. Since sandvich is an unlock, the stock item would be an ammo pack that could be thrown down for others on a recharge, and go through an animation to fill your own. This alone adds a ton of more interesting gameplay, being able to eat sandvich and also use shotgun. A minigun replacement that is an artillery cannon thing that works a bit like the dragons fury. Rather than tracking, you hit sequential shots that deal high damage when you land them. It has good accuracy and can hit for like 50-75 damage per shot if you're very close, but it has decent falloff so you can't just snipe people. It plays sorta like a rapidfire shotgun that shoots a slug instead of pellets, though it still slows you down when firing. Maybe there's a very minimal spinup though. I've seen custom weapons gameplay with something similar to this. Second minigun replacement: a pair of Hussar Wings that give heavy increased move speed, super high jump height, and reduced fall damage. Along with adding a few more interesting shotguns, this would empower full fat scout or melee heavy gameplay. These two are the main ones, but here's some others: A laser beam minigun weapon that increases damage rate the longer it's hitting a person, and has a maximum functional range. Outside close range and approaching medium, it doesn't hit that far. And a chainsaw with a fuel amount as ammo. It only works at close range, melee and slightly further. but it doesn't slow you down when using. The damage is insane but the fuel runs out fast. Only close combat with these ones. A minigun That pushes you back when you fire. Good for mobility but pushes you back from your targets, giving more falloff.
I actually figured out the shotgun heavy loadout on accident, because I loved playing fat scout, but would occasionally say "Well, the mini gun works better in this specific context, what's stopping me from using it? Nothing " i never even realized that I could just play regular roaming heavy with a shotgun and use them both simultaneously.
I like that uncle dane has continued the 'I Main...' now series aside from that one april fool's joke. It gives people your opinions on each class and explores the sheer depth of TF2.
as one of the very few heavy mains, seeing dane begin to realise that Fat Scout...STILL HAS A MINIGUN. YOU'RE BEGINNING TO SEE. THE DOTS ARE CONNECTING. THE NEURONS ARE FIRING.
Thank you for spreading the value of Shotgun on Heavy to the masses. It's such a good weapon to just kinda have out when in situations where you don't want to be revved up and a lot of people sleep on it for some reason.
13:02 | *He actually called it a magazine, an online game youtuber referred to a weapon's ammunition capacity as what it actually is. Someone mark the calendar, this is history.*
I love to use the G.R.U to get on top of the harvest point with the brass beast. I also add a panic attack for self defense, which also pairs well with the G.R.U.
Love videos like this that walk through an epiphany, honestly makes me want to play Heavy now. The Sandvich makes me think about that quote about how players will optimize the fun out of a game given the opportunity; it's not a "fun" weapon, but the ability to dispense health to your teammates is the optimal choice in more organized games, leaving Heavy with only the slow, unfun minigun to actually fight with. Brilliant video.
this is essentially how I've been using the brass beast whenever I play heavy. family business+fists of steel get me into position, gun mows people for a couple of seconds when I'm in position, repeat until my team pushes. its a lot more polarizing with BB but its so much more funny when people think you are a sitting duck because your loud ass gun isnt making noise anymore and decide to turn the corner into your shotgun
I started being revved up constantly even loudly with the brass beast and minigun and it just works. Its really funny seeing a heavy jumprev around a corner when you've been standing there for 5 seconds all revved up, like what goes on in their head thinking they'll accomplish? People straight up ignore the loud wirring sound. In close quarters hardly any class beat a REVVED UP heavy, but most will beat a non revved heavy.
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Out of all the tf2bers on this platform, I would've never expected Dane to be the one to leak the fact that Heavy does indeed fuck his gun
I think he's making a habbit of leaking stuff
Whar
this mean dane fucks his gun
To be fair, Dane is a bit of an expert on sounding, so it can't be that weird.
Next hes gonna leak WWIII
Imagine after making 8 i main classes now, he will do the "i main engineer now"
That means he would have to play until engineer is his least played class💀
Would be peak cinema
just commented this 😭
Yep same here
@@rickmcthicc3500 lmao
Heavy was designed with the shotgun in mind as another "primary" option, much like how Spy was designed with more revolver usage in mind. He has the shotgun for a reason. They were meant to be sort-of equal tools with different strengths (burst damage vs. high sustained damage), so I'm not surprised that you found the developer-intended playstyle to, you know, actually work.
ironic that he was given a sandwich that not only limits his movement, but removes the ability to use that shotgun
If only it was a case for a revolver too, without using diamondback. Maybe then spy would've been an actual good class. Gunspy is just very fun, a shame it's a meme subclass.
@@ilyakusenco8151 Spy's revolver is actually a lot more passable than you might think. There's a reason Jontohil's video's meme on the fact that Spy actually has a revolver. The Diamondback is really overpowered but that doesn't take away from the fact that the revolver is still an okay option, especially because you can see who's at low health at any distance.
The revolver could probably do with a small damage buff but the stock revolver is really not that bad. The L'etranger just makes it particularly noticeable because of the damage penalty.
@@Chillipeffer That is why I want a heavy update that moves sandwich items into its own item slot :D
@@crittomato7043
>watch video about how the shotgun is just as good as the Sandvich
>"sandvich items should get their own slot"
Looks like heavy learned how to build teleporters and became a superior class.
Initiate sailor moon esque transformation sequence for tele-h00vy
LAZYPURPLE
@@CharlesAnderson-qv2wi Yes.
Teleporters + Heavy = A SUPERIOR CLASS!
@@mariustan9275 Lazy Purple delivered that line PERFECTLY. A Badass AND Amusingly obvious statement.
Uncle Dane, 2020: “I was wrong about the panic attack, I forgot how strong shotguns were”
Uncle Dane, 2024: “I was wrong about the Heavy, I forgot how strong the shotguns were”
Uncle Dane, 2028: “I was wrong about the Soldier, I forgot how strong shotguns were”
Meanwhile LazyPurple: I HAVE... A SHOTGUN!!!
“How many times must we teach you this lesson, old man?!”
Uncle Dan 2032: "I was Wrong about LazyPurple, I forgot how string the Shotguns were"
Uncle dane 2124:" I was wrong about TF2, i forgot how strong the shotguns were"
14:46 I love how you can see Dane start tracking the A-posing Scout before realizing it was an A-posing Scout and disengaging
Dude was just a civilian caught in a war zone 😂
A-Scout jumpscare
POV: you spared a German child back then
Targeting System
ciws locking on to commercial airliner
I love how this video has the same energy as „SPY HAS A GUN“ or „I HAVE A SHOTGUN“, which is that he remember that the class actually has two weapon slots and not just one. That‘s the whole point of these phrases, classes don’t just have one weapon, they have two, and using them in combination is the intended playstyle.
What's next? Medic has a syringe gun?
@@giahuynguyenkim6389to be fair, syringes are sorta slept on as a defensive tool since they're hard to aim when chasing an enemy that's running away from you, but with how the syringe gun projectile works, it's much easier to hit someone running at you while backpedaling.
crossbow still op tho, the burst heal is too strong.
@@giahuynguyenkim6389probably "soldier has a shotgun"
@@mishagaming1075 Yeah medic is one of the classes with noticeably poorly balanced weapons IMO.
Every other syringe gun is massively overshadowed by the crossbow letting the medic heal 100 HP at obscene ranges.
Every other melee is overshadowed by the ubersaw giving you 1/4th of uber for each hit.
Even the medi-guns, which have somewhat better balance since they all have their own use cases, are kind of overshadowed by stock.
@@Nickton12 Solemn Vow can be decent alternative to Ubersaw, and no, other mediguns not overshadowed by stock, there's many times when you'll want to use Kritz or Vac over Uber
Fat scout is unironically my main in this game. It started off as a joke, and now I have seen the light. There is no going back.
Fellow unironic fat scout main, ayyyy
hi fellow shotgun heavy main!
What about boxer heavy?
I saw the light in tf2c that using the shotgun with the mini gun is actually good
I did some Fat Scout over on Harvest, against Snipers, and it worked.
Minigun for a lot of enemies at once, Shotgun for when I'm on the move, and odd I know, default Fists for Pyros W+M1 towards me.
Top scored, too.
I imagine shotgun equip rate on Heavy will go from ~15% to 100% really quickly for a couple of weeks.
lol yeah
I've been doing this for over a year and now I'm gonna get called a dane copycat 😭
@@CobaltIngot bro same I've been a shotgun on heavy advocate for a year now and now I don't think I'll be able to use family business without being called a trend chaser.
здарова паладин
Nice easy kills
I love how this whole video is basically uncle dane discovering why valve gave heavy a shotgun in the first place
it’s crazy what community expectations for a class can do to its reputation lol
I think there are other reasons too beyond what he mentioned. The heavy is a magnet for new players. The minigun has a very low skill floor. Thats fine but people can get stuck on heavy. The shotgun is a bridge to other classes that have the same primary or secondary.
@@peterisawesomeplease
nah sniper is the magnet for new players, clicking on heads is what gamers have been doing since goldeneye.
@@windhelmguard5295 Certainly many more people start on sniper and spy but the very high skill floors of these classes tend to push them to heavy with its low skill floor. Maybe its not popular with extremely new players but with players in say the 20 or 30 hour range.
14:46 I love the quick snap to the scout flying around the corner but you still processed it in your head to go "yea he ain't gonna shoot me "
I can't wait until Uncle Dane makes an "I Main Engineer Now" video. I would really love to hear what he thinks about that class.
I think he hates that guy
there's no depth to engineer, i don't think he can drag it out for a full video
I think there might be potential, but everyone sleeps on the shotgun as a tool
Uncle Dane has gained some weight
Snatcher?
your godamn right
He sounds a little less southern. Hey, are we still talking about the same person?
Uncle Gain
This is what bot crisis does with people
Next year we’re gonna see something like “I main Winston now” and it’s just a completely played-straight video like he’s just been playing overwatch this entire time
Or alternatively he just never acknowledges that its overwatch. Imagine the video opening with "Winston is my least played class in TF2" followed by him comparing Winston's playstyle to other TF2 characters and just never acknowledging that he is not playing TF2. "Winston has excellent mobility however choosing to jump into the sightline of any sufficiently good sniper player will get his head blown off"
Hearing him talk about Winstons tactical usage on 2fort would be GOLD
"Impossible. Perhaps the archives are incomplete."
@@bradysullivan7120 "Sure he is no rocket jumping soldier and he doesn't have the long-range DPS of a sniper, he contributes a lot of his effectiveness with his mobility and his ability to get right up into their faces before they know it"
he actually just uploads a long play of a civilisation game
@@darcyoftheblossomingvoid it's not even as America, it's just a full match as like Venice which he repeatedly refers to as Texas
You discovering Heavy can use shotguns reminded me of the wise and popular saying: "SPY HAS A GUN"
I did not expect Dane to become the Jonto of Heavy, seriously
i hate this community
He’s no longer Uncle Dane he’s Dane, Brother of your Father.
Дядя Даня
Dark Souls boss ass name
@@lancesmith8298 Dane, brother of your father.
It really does sound like a dark souos name
Is this like Melvin, Brother of the Joker?
Second of His Name
you should main engineer next!
that would never happen
No way he ever will
i doubt he would stray that far
That's funny. I'm giving you a like.
why is berd here??
11:13 love this clip. He has the shotgun out, rounds the corner to find enemies, AND THEN switches off the shotgun to the Tomislav to die
It's funny because that demo dealt 0 damage
Uncle Dane has figured out how brass beast heavies play the game
80% shotgun
20% utter destruction with the beast
Oddly enough I always use the Beast and never do this.
I always have the Dalokohs Bar and the Fists of Steel and just go maximum tank mode.
(I mostly play 2Fort so that's probably why it works)
I have been vouching shotgun heavy for the longest time. It was how he was put in the game, he has the minigun for pre-meditated fights and the shotgun for unexpected battles, being covert and dodging the projectiles of Soldier & Demo.
I had a fight where I was a Brass Beast / Shotgun heavy against a Direct Hit soldier in the Dustbowl stage 2 hallway. If I were to have revved my minigun I would have been shot 3 times and died, but because I had the shotgun, I was able to dodge two rockets and win the fight. I was then able to use the brass beast and mow down the unsuspecting people at the exit with my high DPS weapon.
Both choices in my loadout were necessary to my success.
I agree
But I also advocate for heavy to have a 4th weapon slot for lunchbox items.
So that you can have a sandwich and shotgun and don't have to have them compete for a weapon slot
@@typhoon1575true
@@typhoon1575or being able to have a food item replace the minigun so you can still use the shotgun or give Heavy a shotgun primary
@@eur0be4t3r I mean at that rate, I kinda want to meme, and ask we also replace melee with lunchbox items, and let him use all 3 at once, just cosplay a dispenser.
The brass beast needs a knockback resistance buff, IMO, but its amazing for holding down chokepoints if they aren't in the sightlines of a sniper.
I can’t wait for “I main Spy now”, “I main Sniper now”, “I main Scout now”, “I main Medic now”, “I main Soldier now”, and “I main Demo now”
and then the secret finale "I main Engi now"
"I main you now"
I wish 'How it FEELS to play medic' was real.
"how it feels to main all the classes as an April fools joke"
@@Noh_Friend We all do. Hell Lazy even did a Skit Bit in a Man co Mercenary video about it.
"Last year I mained Pyro for a month, you can check out that video here."
Oh I think we remember it, Dane, it was only ten videos ago.
211* videos ago if you were subscribed to the MAXIMUM DAMAGE RUclips channel!
That's a good metric!! That's more than 1 video a month!
@capperbuns That... No? A year is 12 months. Its been over a year since the pyro video. 10 videos in between means that thats less than a video a month. Im fine with that ofc, but lets not lie.
"He f*cks his gun"
Omfg that's the most straight delivery I've heard from anyone ahahaha
As a heavy main, I think that having satisfying hit sounds and kill sounds is super important to getting the most dopamine from the minigun, especially considering how many hits you deal
100% my brother. I changed my hit sound to the old school quake 3 hit sound (donk!) and my kill sound to the Taco Bell gong. Life improved approximately 10,000% highly recommend
Peggle Peg hits + Longshot SFX my beloved.
@@headcrab4 Ooooh I need to get that one.
One of my favorite ones to use was the hardbass notes, just turn heavy into a one person music making machine.
Slighty unrelated but it also the reason why I like playing heavy in mvm. Destroying my so many robots and being of the better classes to slay giant. You show those giants robot who boss. Combine with sound effect of the giant robot deaths and heavy lines(not so giant now, tiny giant. Which I first thought "no use fighting now, tiny giant").
But again there a sense of power when heavy clicks.
16:34 average heavy experience: you see a crocket or crit sticky heading straight in your direction and you can't do anything to avoid it.
Average TF2 experience, really. You can't really do anything about crits half the time.
@@percher4824average tf2 experience: they just miss and it was a crit
Avg Tf2 experience: shoot a crocket just for a teamate to jump up and eat it.
average pyro experience:
reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket reflect the crocket
I played heavy for about 800 hours from 2014 to 2017. It was my most played class by a massive margin.
In that time, my typical loadout was the tomislav, the chocolate bar, and the eviction notice. Hundreds of hours of roaming, jump reving, and sneaking behind teams. Loads of fun.
When the pyro update came out in 2017, they re-worked a ton of weapons, and one of the things they touched was the eviction notice. I felt like it was such a core part of my playstyle that I actually quit playing, and haven't really played tf2 ever since.
Same thing happened to me, though I preferred the family business instead of the chocolate bar. It was a pretty strong loadout that was slept on a lot because that sandwich healing was seen, I think wrongly, as being heavy's strongest option. Miss the old weapons.
Gosh darn comp players ruined the eviction notice.
What did the notice used to do
@@HeydenHarvey It's been a long time since I've played so I'm rusty on the details, the important thing it did is it gave a speed boost that wasn't quite as high as the gloves, but also didn't have the downside of taking extra damage. I think they also did more damage than other melee options? My memory is super foggy. I'd use the eviction notice's speed boost to get a good position behind enemies, overheal with the chocolate bar and do ninja jump revving with the tomislav.
welp gotta use the gru now
phase 3 is just using the shotgun the way it was designed to be used with heavy. So many people complain about how slow and clunky heavies minigun is because everyone is so used to running a lunchbox item they completely forget that the shotgun is STOCK for a reason. It was given to heavy to help him clear corners and engage targets in more "mobile" situations the minigun is for holding a specific line of sight where other factors help nullify its crippling downsides. Its so liberating to see uncle dane realize this and comment on it because damn even some heavy "main" youtubers don't realize this is or completely forget because healing 300 health is just that strong.
I can't wait to see 200+ heavies rushing me with the family business
Thewhatshow already popularised that before
I've seen a massive spike in shotgun Heavies in European servers, it's already too late...
@@scrittlespies and snipers main's about to have a whole course meal
Finally I can pretend to be a hipster who used it before it was cool.
He'd never play a class THAT boring...
Uncle Dane, the first one to realise why the Tomislav and Family Business are a part of a set
to be fair a lot of set items dont synergize together
@@titicaca.Untrue alot mostly do when you actually use them together.
Now, find a use for those fucking brass knuckles v:
@Kilesfactor they did knuckles dirty
@@greenoftreeblackofblue6625 Nope. Some work for sure but most sets dont have any kind of synergy like other weapon combos do.
In 10 years "I main engineer now".
He *is* the sentry now.
He becomes the defence
One could say he is the defence
how does bro have a disc of tf2
@@MySelfMySelf-h2r tf2 wasnt always free
You have changed the entire damn heavy meta with just saying, "Why not use the shotgun and minigun at the same time?" Thank you, Mr. Uncle Daniel.
The most optimal heavy playstyle just being putting away the lunchbox item is weirdly one of the most satisfying things I've learnt about this game
For real
Optimal is an overstatement, its just the easiest way to use heavy in a pub.
Ill be honest its skill issue but I haven’t had success with lunchbox items. I just keep using them out of position or woops just so happens my team died and I got caught deepthroating a sandwich. So I started ditching lunchbox items for the shotguns. Specifically the Panic attack. Uncle dane is right.
No one said this is the most optimal playstyle, its just one that fits dane the most
It's definitely not optimal in all situations, but it's the most explosive playstyle you can get with heavy.
In my opinion:
His biggest problem isn't him being too slow or his situational optimal use, but his lack of a strong unique vocal point in his gameplay. Outside of positioning which half the cast shares as a key component he only has tracking as his mostly unique standpoint.
Scout has movement,
demo/soldier are mostly* projectile focused with their own high skills ceiling movement.
Pyro has utility while *having* to play close quarters in fights.
Medic, spy and engi are playing another game
(Aka, other objectives that help the gamestate)
Sniper is sniper
Of course all these traits bleed into other classes but heavy is just so normal compared to the rest.
I wrote this quite hastily so there's bound to be some parts i left out or didn't think about.
When Uncle Dane masters and mains every class in TF2, no one will be.
Oh, hello, StickMaster, how's it goin'?
it's him again.
Well I'll be damned, StickMaster is still alive
I’m gay
The Justin Y of TF2
Don’t build a sentry, Become a sentry.
Shotgun heavy always was optimal, so cool that a big creator realized it
So the too long didn't watch for this video is: Dane discovers that shotguns are pretty neat and make the class he's playing pretty fun (for the 3rd time)
Shotgun main discoveres he likes the shotgun, more news at 11
Just wait until he learns about the Scout
@@timtam4596which is his fourth least played class iirc. Used to be fourth before at least
kinda weird considering his roaming engi playstyle and all
Dane just likes it when people die to dumb sentry spots, that's all@@usernametaken017
as one of the 624 heavy mains in existence, I find that most of the 'fun' I have, boils down to making people think I don't see them, then flicking to them when they don't expect it. tons of hackusations, but it feels good, almost like medic, to see the rest of my team do great and have fun
plus it gets me to 150 points in a full game pretty consistently
psychological manipulation is ALWAYS an option in games!
hey for anyone who thought about playing warthunder, just know that it takes literal, unexaggerated years of time in matches grinding to unlock modern vehicles, and even just fleshing an early game ww2 lineup will take you multiple days of play time for just 1 nation, oh and you can pay hundreds of dollars to skip that grind, other people can just buy better vehicles that are rated the same as the free ones, there is no skill based matchmaking, and there is a large bias towards soviet and russian vehicles, have fun
Modern also sucks ass tho. Mid tier best tier.
What if you hate yourself?
doing the gods work i see!
France 7.7 eats everything
I shall take the time now to Shill GHPC if you want semi-realistic modern tank battles
"The demoman already piped you twice" beautiful sentence
Who’s gonna build the dispensers now?
viewers like you
Heavy, along with teleporters.
Because if heavy could build his own teleporters he would be like 200% better.
He's evolved. Now instead of building dispenser, he will ask to POOTISpenser here.
Right behind you.
Turn into dispenser
Pick medic
This was a welcome surprise, as one of those five Heavy mains you mentioned.
I confess I was getting a bit bored with Heavy gameplay, but over the last couple days I revisited Natascha, and the death threats I consistently get from opposing scouts has reinvigorated me.
You should see what I named my festive strange Natasha, after a while of people complaining to me, I've called it "Hey! Wait! I've got a new complaint". In all seriousness I use it as a support Minigun
I like playing Heavy but honestly I can't tell the difference between the Natascha and stock. I know Natascha slows and does less damage, but I honestly feel like my gameplay doesn't change with either weapon
@@MmmMmph1968 It really doesn't, the hate thrown at me was really the only change😅
@@MmmMmph1968 Yeah honestly I think it's because players are slowed so it's easier to focus fire
If I see scouts air strafing and mge shuffling, I switch to Natascha. Shuts it down every time.
Shotgun heavy actually pairs with the brass beast really well.
Ordinarily the brass beast is way too restrictive with it's movement, but if you primarily use the shotgun and only use the BB when you get a positional advantage it's great.
The 20% extra damage is bonkers.
Yea I saw the Bad Weapons Academy on Brass Beast, I just gotta get better at Shotgun gameplay
Yep this has been the way I've played heavy for a long time now. That extra damage makes it feel extra good to punish people who overcommit thinking they have the health to beat you, and it's really fun to then whip out a shotgun and starting chasing the players that survive.
If you think about it the minigun functions like an auto shotty since every “bullet” is 6 pellets
7:29 Holy shit a Scout that actually used the Shortstop shove in a practical scenario, and not just memeing with it.
Salutes to that brave Scout o7.
Too bad it didn't help the situation at all.
notice how he immediately died?
@@The_Jumping_Box Living isnt everything in the game, If you can disrupt the enemy to help your team your doing good, Its like the entire spy class
bro was like "fuck it ill be my own sentry" and then became a sentry gun with legs
Case #24 as to why Heavy needs a fourth slot for a Shotgun:
yep
I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS
@@PO10TIAL as a heavy main, your fourth slot video is like my new testament lol
@@Diesel-wh1th thank you for spreading the good word, mate
People who agree with having 4 Heavy slots, rise up.
As a heavy main I’m glad he talked about how “fat scout” isn’t a stupid meme subclass but is rather a very good alternative option for heavy
dane out here spending 1 month of pure heavy play and experimentation to realize that heavy's stock loadout is what it is for a very good reason really goes to show how much psychological damage the lunchbox items have done to the TF2 community
Bro evolved. From underweight texan to the average Russian after coming to America
Average russian*
@@XCola5678 average russian after 5 years in america*
does he know?
To the proud borsh-fed red blooded russian God dammit 🐻
6:45 "Why is your sniper named (C)od (P)oints?"
"(C)od (P)oints"
I love cp! (cod points/control points/cyberpunk/cheese pizza)
@@Otamatone69 HANK DONT APPREVIATE IT TO CP! HANKK!!
@@Otamatone69 I hope you realize cheese pizza was the original way to bring it up on the internet over a decade ago.
@@Otamatone69 Club Penguin
@@MSCDonkeyKong fuck I should have thought of that
I think heavy having a "heavy only" shotgun is a pretty obvious hint to this conclusion but i cant say ive ever thought of heavy in this way despite the fact.
Heavy is my most played class. But recently, I've been hesitant to play him as much because im worried i'll get bored of him. But this video made me realize that I always have the most fun with heavy when I use the shotgun. And that im not hindering myself by using it. The pieces have always been in place. The shotgun on heavy is good. We were just too gluttonous to see.
Can’t shotgun, too hungry
@@mr_pigman1013 eat your shotgun
@@SuB-mt6nv Kurt cobain
"oh no dane made a video about playing heavy now everyone's gonna play heavy"
_evil frech laughter_
THAT WEEB IS A SPY!
IT IS A GOOD TIME TO MAIN SPY (i main sniper actually but spy is my most played class)
@@delfix999 spy is either very satisfying or very irritating no in between, best class tho
As a heavy main, you've somehow managed to find and thrive in a playstyle that's the exact opposite of everything I do.
When I play heavy, it's usually with the intent of anchoring my team to stop them from getting rolled, which means I'll be positioning myself in cover near the front lines, and making sure my team is with me. To that end, I almost run Natascha, banana, and GRU. GRU and banana make life easier if there's no teleporter and dispenser/medic, and Natascha's slowdown effect makes both crowd control and divers much easier to deal with, which is a major problem for me with the other miniguns. I find it fun to hold the line and keep enemies off the objective, even if I don't get many kills because I'm doing suppression work. Survivability becomes less of an issue, which means that my biggest concern is actually ammo management. Miniguns chew through their very limited ammo _fast,_ and if there's no dispenser, only consistent source of ammo that won't take you away from the fight are divers trying to kill you.
I'm not surprised you found the strong suit of Heavy's shotguns- if anything, I'm surprised it's not more commonly known, though I myself only swap to shotguns if there's no tele and I'm getting jumped during runback. I've never really considered a roaming heavy playstyle, mostly because he's so slow that getting anywhere meaningful takes forever, and at that point I'd rather swap to Scout or Pyro and have more fun doing the same thing. That said, I might have to give it another shot now...
Had the same experience. Shotgun changes how you play the class so much that I now think the sandvich is poorly designed. Also GRU is a great combat tool if your opponent is cornered.
One of my favourite things about fat scout is that, when your mini gun is basically your secondary, you can choose the weirder and more specialised options.
I especially love using the Huo-Long Heater as an ambush tool. The Brass Beast can also be used as a dedicated defensive, stand-your-ground weapon.
If you think about it, "Fat Scout" minigun is basically a really heavy pistol if you squint.
@@Appletank8 What ive been saying the whole time, The minigun is the pistol to your shotguns scattergun
@@Appletank8when you think about it, Heavy is just a mobile human Sentry
I've been a Heavy main for a few years now. I think you hit the nail on the head with a lot of your criticisms of the class design overall. I'd also say it helps a lot to have an "ork brain" when you play this class, and by that I mean I like sustained fire weapons because I enjoy just holding down a button to make a lot of dakka happen.
As someone who had (and still does) trouble getting reliable hits with soldier or demoman, the appeal that the DAKKA of sustained mingun fire was also there for me as well. Clicking on someone and seeing their gibs just ain't the same, not the same kind of dramatic buildup and release upon killing the enemy.
One of the things i find most annoying while playing heavy (and in general …) are snipers; with a shotgun not only are you less of a sitting duck but you can try to aimpunch the sniper to make him miss gaining you time to try and get cover. Not that it is a reliable counter, but at least it gives you a way to influence the interaction rather then just hoping the sniper misses which at least feels a lot better
Yuuup, nothing's better as a heavy player than unloading The Family Business into a sniper and either see him die with a heavy bolting towards him or him trying to gain better cover to take you out, I like the feeling that I made that happen, haha.
this proves that the devs knew the exact problem of heavy years before we could figure it out ourselves, fucking mind blowing
I love everything about this video, some people may not like it but I appreciate it.
And "shotgun heavy" phase, I agree with and went "YES" once it was brought up.
Not too long ago I made a 2 part tutorial about playing *Stock Heavy* based on how I've played stock heavy over the months and how I understood it, and that shotgun heavy phase brought me back to how I expressed using the shotgun to co-side with the minigun to actually make it work (somehow).
And when you said that you were taking "bad classes" and putting them under a new perspective hits right with me, because the reason that stock tutorial for Heavy exists is to give players a (ironically) new experience playing Heavy only with stock, and also to help understand how Heavy was originally designed. All with the style of old 2008-9 tf2 tutorials.
By far, this is now my favorite video of yours and I can see the pattern of making every other least played class as your temporary main.
And also is it a coincidence that my next stock tutorial will be for Engineer? When my previous one was for Heavy? Could be just timing.
Edit: it is out now, nobody asked but it out.
Not only does the Tomislav offer a huge advantage with the faster, silent rev, but the higher accuracy also translates directly to higher DPS unless you're either at point-blank range, which you won't be because of the slow and loud spin-up, or you're up against a dense crowd, which basically never happens in TF2.
completely delusional, the better accuracy absolutely fucks you over at close to medium range and isn't desirable at all, similar to how the tighter spread of the shortstop screws over scouts trying to fight at their preferred range
the tomislav is absolutely inferior to stock in DPS at every range besides medium to long, and as a heavy you should do your best to avoid engaging enemies at these ranges anyway
if you feel that the tomislav is better, that's probably because you're unrevving your minigun all the time, which is a bad thing since your minigun does more damage the longer it stays revved up
@@Felipe-yv4bcare.. are you real?
nobody wants to be a slow, easy to pick on target by explosive classes, it's the entire reason heavy was overshadowed.
and heavy doesn't have neither of the tools required to flank and get into close range, the main flankers either have good mobility or some other tool that lets them get by unnoticed (spy)
and since chokepoints involve a lot of medium range combat, you're gonna be preferring tomislav.
also.. how does tighter spread fuck you over, again? you need to aim SLIGHTLY more precisely? oh the horrors!
@@mishagaming1075 the level of precision required to do more damage with the tomislav at close to medium range makes it almost always do less damage than stock, and you won't be doing more damage anyway since you're a tomislav main unrevving all the fucking time not getting that damage ramp up
i sincerely fail to understand what does any of your other points have anything to do with what I said
@@Felipe-yv4bc "I have bad aim"
2:00 Most aware casual medic player
I genuinely didn't notice that until you pointed it out. That is really funny
Where did he even come from? Why was he infront of his team
Bro didn't melee or taunt with the übersaw
ive been saying this for years im so glad a youtuber finally said it. we gonna see more heavys now, and more of them realising the sandvich isnt everything
15:50 THANK YOU for realizing how awesome the holiday punch is - I love making people laugh then taunt killing them. I will always equip the holiday punch and they have been and will be my favorite gloves. I spent like 10$ on really good strange gloves lol
13:15 I'm really glad you took a moment to mention the "base loadout" of just taking the minigun AND shotgun. I've always appreciated keeping a base loadout on every character as it reminds me the purpose of even switching weapons in the first place, while simultaneously showing how strong the class already is. I had basically formulated the same thought you would end up explaining in Phase 4 as I watched Phase 3 - if minigun slow then use shotgun until slow not bad. In the same way Pyro and Soldier really appreciate the shotgun due to their unique primaries, heavy ALSO appreciates the shotgun due to his primary.
Tbh, I'm rather surprised the Medic never received some kind of "single shot secondary" like his compatriots did, while the Sniper received a full-auto secondary, something every full-auto primary class was seeking to avoid.
The medic got the crusader's crossbow
The heavy update was just going to be 2 new heavy-exclusive shotguns to get people to use them again.
Heavy is real fun, usually, sometimes.
Issue is that so much counters him. Snipers? He's a free headshot. Spies? The most free backsab ever. Demos? The biggest target in the world. Scouts? Runs circles around you. Soldiers? Eats you alive like you're an MRE.
6:20 the 4 sniper dots against the wall is terrifying
Jesus Christ lmao
Ironically, I started maining engineer recently.... The universe balances itself....
Also, the clip that you showed of why heavy is" boring" looks like what I would call peak TF2...
"And being gay."
_-Uncle Dane_
0:21
this video got me to realize something, i'm a "begginer" on tf2 (i've been playing on and off for 4 years) and my most played class is heavy.
in recent times i've done a switch to pyro (specifically phlog) because of the lack of movement heavy had.
with this video and your final loadout (tomislav, a shotgun and and the holiday punch) it changed my mind on heavy's movement, i enjoyed playing the class a whole lot more with said loadout
holy shit that "heavy is sentry" is a DEEP cut. fuck me it takes me back way too far.
This is not my uncle
Edit: Mom I’m famous
aunt dane confirmed?
Our Uncle
Uncle bane
Uncle Hane?
@@AbcdEf-lz6oe *Государственный_гимн_СССР.MP3 Intensifies*
14:32
Soldier "I am coming for you"
Heavy proceeds to switch his minigun to the shotgun "No"
Pyro
Uncle Dane has become Uncle Lenin
He is OUR UNCLE
Разложился на плесень и на липовый мед
I would like to join the Party of Lenin. I guess the PCMML (it is in spanish) will work.
@@hogracubu197 как ето по англиский?
Cringe
R.I.P. to all the medics who always hope for a sandvich from their heavies, only to see them running a shotgun, because of this video.
I don't even hope for that anymore, everyone has one but only 1/10 actually throw it
No sandvich for me? Then no crossbow for you...I use the Overdose now.
@@flylowlevel817 Finally another medic who doesnt use the crossbow
i mean a good team would leave the health packs for the medics anyways
@@Shy_002overdose supremacy gang…I respect it
Hello, I am a Heavy main. I have loved this class ever since I started playing the game. You might ask what drives me to play Heavy since TF2 is a movement game and the Heavy is fat and slow. As much as I love going fast in videogames, I can't ignore the fact that I am MUCH more of an "Aimer Andy". You might also be asking why I don't just play Sniper since that is the class that I can get all of my juicy headshots on. Well, Sniper is just not an interactive class, that's really it. But also, you would be very surprised at all of the INSANELY stupid spots that Heavy can get to. I both enjoy playing Heavy as intended, as well as just sitting in funny spots and mowing down unsuspecting victims. There is just something very satisfying about tracking your enemies and killing them in seconds. It's also very satisfying when you outsmart your enemies by simply positioning better than them. Yeah sure, it's not a flashy class. I don't have access to a bunch of super cool looking plays as Heavy. But I get enough out of it just knowing that I either outsmarted another player, or aimed better than them. It may not be as cool and flashy, but what it lacks in flash, it makes up for with more calculated plays that you can do completely on your own if you wanted to.
All of that......and the pootis pow is just amazing. I love screwing around with it!
damnnmn this is so cool, im a soldier main but seing this perspective even as an ultrakill fan(super fast game) is a cool way to see it keep it up shasha lover!!
i got into the habit of twitch crouching a lot when revved up and firing, especially in heavy on heavy fights, do you think it does anything?
@@sdfggdfg5fgdfg hypothetically if you crouch and uncrouch you can throw of sniper aim
shocker: le sentry gun man decided to evolve into mobile sentry; le dispensing man ditches demon magic healing and miniature ammo construction for a lil healthy snack on a battlefield.
My favorite Heavy loadout is the brass beast, panic attack, and warriors spirit.
The brass beast allows the heavy to tank more damage and mow down enemies at a longer range and instantly delete someone at close range. However, the rev speed doesn't allow the heavy to keep up with his targets, requiring him to be defensive and let others come to him.
The panic attack allows you to push forward and get into the perfect position for people to walk into you without the danger of that long rev, and the quick switch speed alows you to fall back on it after unreving.
The Warriors Spirt allows you deal a risky but devastating combo with the panic attack that is super satisfying. This helps the heavy keep his high burst damage when up close since you will be using the panic attack, which already requires you to get up really close to your enemies. As long as you don't equip the weapon while you are about to take a high amount of damage, the downside does not matter.
That's just how I have fun as heavy.
0:03 Please, don't tell me you're also messaging Scouts! XD
04:00 yep, that's why I always wanted Heavy to have 1000 health, so it actually make him survive 5 seconds more before getting backstab or headshot
actually backstabs always do like 3x your max health, so more hp wouldn't do anything
@@Appletank8That'd be perfect, you buff the heavy without nerfing the spy
@@Appletank8 Oh, thanks I did not know, even if be backstab is not that frustrating to me, but the sniper mains that quick shoot you from the other side of the map...yeah
@@foxygameur_4547its 3x your max health WHILE being a critical hit, so in reality it's 9x your max health
My ideal heavy update would include adding an extra item slot, and 2 new types of weapons in particular.
Make sandvich and shotgun both equippable with a lunchbox/utility slot. Since sandvich is an unlock, the stock item would be an ammo pack that could be thrown down for others on a recharge, and go through an animation to fill your own. This alone adds a ton of more interesting gameplay, being able to eat sandvich and also use shotgun.
A minigun replacement that is an artillery cannon thing that works a bit like the dragons fury. Rather than tracking, you hit sequential shots that deal high damage when you land them. It has good accuracy and can hit for like 50-75 damage per shot if you're very close, but it has decent falloff so you can't just snipe people. It plays sorta like a rapidfire shotgun that shoots a slug instead of pellets, though it still slows you down when firing. Maybe there's a very minimal spinup though. I've seen custom weapons gameplay with something similar to this.
Second minigun replacement: a pair of Hussar Wings that give heavy increased move speed, super high jump height, and reduced fall damage. Along with adding a few more interesting shotguns, this would empower full fat scout or melee heavy gameplay.
These two are the main ones, but here's some others:
A laser beam minigun weapon that increases damage rate the longer it's hitting a person, and has a maximum functional range. Outside close range and approaching medium, it doesn't hit that far.
And a chainsaw with a fuel amount as ammo. It only works at close range, melee and slightly further. but it doesn't slow you down when using. The damage is insane but the fuel runs out fast.
Only close combat with these ones.
A minigun That pushes you back when you fire. Good for mobility but pushes you back from your targets, giving more falloff.
I actually figured out the shotgun heavy loadout on accident, because I loved playing fat scout, but would occasionally say "Well, the mini gun works better in this specific context, what's stopping me from using it? Nothing " i never even realized that I could just play regular roaming heavy with a shotgun and use them both simultaneously.
I had the same epiphany too
It's almost as if heavy was designed to work that way
@@typhoon1575 And to think that we all just ignore that that's exactly the case because the meta is the sandvich/banana
I used to think sniper needed balances changes but i never really processed how much heavy needed an update
I like that uncle dane has continued the 'I Main...' now series aside from that one april fool's joke. It gives people your opinions on each class and explores the sheer depth of TF2.
as one of the very few heavy mains, seeing dane begin to realise that Fat Scout...STILL HAS A MINIGUN.
YOU'RE BEGINNING TO SEE. THE DOTS ARE CONNECTING. THE NEURONS ARE FIRING.
Me and my best friend watching this on the couch rn bro
you should kiss
yeah you guys should kiss
Dont leave us in the dark did you two kiss??
Seems like they indeed kissed and now are busy with something more intimate
hey can we please get an update on wheather you kissed?
Thank you for spreading the value of Shotgun on Heavy to the masses. It's such a good weapon to just kinda have out when in situations where you don't want to be revved up and a lot of people sleep on it for some reason.
*"I main Heavy now"*
A certain cultured two individuals : *"Why not both? Both. Both is good"*
“Acess denied”
13:02 | *He actually called it a magazine, an online game youtuber referred to a weapon's ammunition capacity as what it actually is. Someone mark the calendar, this is history.*
14:46
*Scout jumpscare*
Promotion Skip Button: 5:50
3:05 smh he wouldve lived if he just used the dalokohs bar.
There was a second rocket and 90 > 50
@@yes_and_so_what rip
HEAVY HAS A SHOTGUN!
I love that I was right on this. Gonna play heavy like this as soon as I get a tomyslav
I love to use the G.R.U to get on top of the harvest point with the brass beast.
I also add a panic attack for self defense, which also pairs well with the G.R.U.
Love videos like this that walk through an epiphany, honestly makes me want to play Heavy now. The Sandvich makes me think about that quote about how players will optimize the fun out of a game given the opportunity; it's not a "fun" weapon, but the ability to dispense health to your teammates is the optimal choice in more organized games, leaving Heavy with only the slow, unfun minigun to actually fight with. Brilliant video.
this is essentially how I've been using the brass beast whenever I play heavy. family business+fists of steel get me into position, gun mows people for a couple of seconds when I'm in position, repeat until my team pushes. its a lot more polarizing with BB but its so much more funny when people think you are a sitting duck because your loud ass gun isnt making noise anymore and decide to turn the corner into your shotgun
I started being revved up constantly even loudly with the brass beast and minigun and it just works.
Its really funny seeing a heavy jumprev around a corner when you've been standing there for 5 seconds all revved up, like what goes on in their head thinking they'll accomplish? People straight up ignore the loud wirring sound. In close quarters hardly any class beat a REVVED UP heavy, but most will beat a non revved heavy.
We had fat scout, now uncle dane introduced us to hybrid engineer. Shoot with the shotgun in 1v1s, *become the sentry gun* in groups