His facts are obviously coloured. He only see things that comply to his political views. Claiming that Zuma as the president had no power is so delusional.
@@nomkhosiprecious9435 although ad times he just wants to paint some people as corrupt even when theres no proof and he's ad Zuma although he profess to love Zuma and please don't get Me wrong I love God Pen he critics everyone but he's obsession with Zuma being corrupt erks Me.
This is one of the best sessions the two of you have done together. Heated debates are not necessary at times and to be honest, I prefer this version of you two. Sometimes outarguing competitions and ego trips are just off putting. Job well done to you both.
"I love Jacob Zuma" That is the problem with black people when it comes to politics; they think it's about love or hate. They think it's similar "Khosi for life" or "once a pirate always a pirate"; it's not. Politics is about electing the best people for the job; we are the boss, they are job seekers and we decided which of them gets the job. We should judge them on character, on track record and not just what they tell they are about. We need to disabuse ourselves of the expectation that any of these guys is here to save and realise that it is us who should run things by electing the people who can deliver. And they fail us then we change them; until we clear of bad apples.
Forget about Zuma. Zuma might not live for 20 years from now😢. But appreciate that, he is trying to build a structure, where right and deserving black people can lead to their complete liberation freedom. What we are doing ourselves to liberate ourselves?
Aah man, my point exactly. I wish more people can open their eyes to that truth. Democracy is only beneficial in a society where more people can see through the nonsense the politician spew and make informed decision during elections.
Loving where you’re going with this, this is exactly how we should be treating politicians. This should not be an emotional decision, simply one based on my individual and community economic and moral interests, and everything else should come secondary.
Big up to both of you guys, but let me say this Nota you just flipped another side of the coin, calm,collected and very articulate, you've just gained my respect in a massive way, I've watched many podcasts where you were interviewed, this time you've raised the bar,period....
I appreciate this Nota!,I like Nota like this!,what ever you are eating my brother!,keep eating it!!,the energy you’re radiating suits the stature of the man you are!
I lost him, Nota, after 19:00. I don't even think he understood the argument from the start & I appreciate you, Penuel, for sticking to your point of argument. I think this guy got none of it.
I agree Nota did throw alot of jargon that hardly made any sense I'm sure even to himself. Panuel kept it simple with a clear understanding of this topic.
I noted the same thing, this guy is obviously very knowledgeable but I sense that he might be mentally unstable or just immature....I don't know, he strikes me as the type of person who absorbs information for the sake of wanting to be seen as smart but having no real use for it.
His problem is that he is projecting reality onto his political views. It becomes very obvious when he said that Zuma was just a puppet when he became and was the president. If the ANC is controlled by outside forces then it makes no sense to support them.
I'm always amazed by Nota's intelligence and he's capability of thinking independently on any subject. Unfortunately a lot of people have consumed so much of the anti-Zuma propaganda over the years they'll never truly recognize what's happening blinded by their unfounded hate for the man.
THE ANC MADE A DEAL NOT TO TOUCH ISSUES ON LAND WITHOUT PARLIAMENTARY MAJORITY. JZ USED TO COMPLAIN THAT MEMBERS OF THE ANC USED TO VOTE AGAINST ANC . THATS WHY THE ANC NEC COULD NOT FACE HIM PRIOR TO HIS EXPULSION. NEVER MIND THE SMOKESCREEN THREAT OF VIOLENC
Free Zuma for the government of the king of righteousness (theocracy) to reign supreme his nyahbinghi warriors must conquer, as his warrior is his governor. Established in man woman and children of life and living.. .. " h.i.m. emperor Haile Selassie I
Yes panuel u rite Zuma was a anc president and work to follow the rules and orders so now he open his party the rules are different u two must join mk cos blacks must work together to help the nation but black sellout will be in tight😮
Zuma is nothing but a populist. Remember he wanted to be a recording music artist and his followers said yes! He started Mkp simply because he believes the ANC should have left him to finish his job , ie destroying RSA.. people just flock after him without knowing what he can do for them , which he couldn't do for 9 years. He has taken all his crooked buddies to Parliament to help them earn a living because he destroyed their careers. This old man is bad news for the country . careers. This old man is bad news for the country.he talks about African law.. of which African tribe. ? I don't know of any written African law, do you? All his effort are aimed at avoiding going to jail.
BRILLIANT OBSERVATION WHICH ESCAPES MOST SANS. I GUESS IT REQUIRES A CERTAIN BRAND OF INTELLECT WHICH MAY NOT BE IN SUFFICIENT SUPPLY AMONGST BLACK SANS
Why do people always always underestimate Zuma. He knows they will never allow him to return to ANC, it is to keep relations with ANC members still in the ANC who do not agree with Ramaphosa policy. Politics is a long game.
Penuel is either stupid or is acting stupid to keep the debate going. Even a child knows Zuma would not return or be returned to the ANC. But he wants to maintain contact with his base in the ANC
The Case for Jacob Zuma always amazes me. He is one of those rare cases where instead of focusing on the contents relevant to the subject, we are more interested on the subject or the man. Unfortunately, this is a true reflection of black South African's interllectual culture and orientation, whereby a large part of our understanding regarding how the world works is based around conspiracy and normative analysis, uttering value judgment or simply put things that we can neither prove to be true or false instead of focusing on what the facts say. This is a serious problem, because every argument that revolves on anything but facts leads to me saying one thing you saying the other and the only consensus reached is "Let us agree to disagree". What are the facts regarding Jacob Zuma? 1) Zuma has been in leadership of the ANC and government collectively for just about 35 years. As far as only government is concerned, he's been the Deputy president of the country for 6 years from 1999 to 2005, he's been the president of South Africa for 9 years from 2009 to 2018, a total of 15 years. Just for context the ANC has been in power for 30 years and for 15 of those 30 years Zuma has been either the number 1 man or number two man, not just in government but in the ANC and his power in the ANC has been greater than in government as he has been the Deputy president of the ANC for 10 years and the president of the ANC for 10 years a total of 20 years in just ANC leadership. By these facts we can not we simple can not talk about the failures of the ANC and its Government without talking about the likes of Zuma. Who out of a 100% of rule 50% is relevant to him, and not only did he lead an ANC he led an ANC that was powerful, powerful enough to change whatever laws which he believed were not in the interest of black South Africans and bargain to advance their interests. 2) Nota says in this time he was not as powerful and was only as powerful as the ANC orders him to be. He wasn't advancing his vision only the one assigned to him by the ANC. Say this is true, it would mean we really can not hold any ANC leader accountable for anything. We could simply say it was not them it was the ANC. Weather it's Mandela, Mbeki, Zuma or ramaphosa. But also it would contradict the fact that in his time of power he did very well in advancing his own interest and the interests of his family. This is the same guy who's children got rich during his presidency and their wealth is in relation with the Gupta family who were able to capture the state and SOEs something that could have not been possible without the authorization of the president Jacob Zuma. And all of these are documented in the state capture report. 3) people always make the case that they were more black Millionaires during Zuma's presidency and this is in fact true. But the rise of black Millionaires was in direct correlation with the loosening up of the provision of tenders. Which led to people getting tenders even when they were not capable of doing the Job. When R100 million tender required one to show R10 million of capacity, during zumas term even if you didn't have R10 million of capacity you would get the tender and this led to a series of unfinished gorvenment projects, weather it's roads, schools, toilets all where not done due to that corruption. So yes they were many black Millionaires but at what expense? At the expense of unfinished roads which continue to kill people, pit toilets through which children still fall in and die, schools not being built and endangering the future of this country. That was the trade off of black Millionaires during zumas presidency. So my question how much of it is a good thing when a drug dealer brings up young men in his community in the drug game, financially empowering them through selling drugs, the very same drugs that are killing the community? I could go on with this topic but I'll leave it here
@@ZamokuhleMohauduma I love everything you've written and agree with most of it. That part you said about us not being able to hold any ANC leader accountable is a killer blow 🔥🔥🔥
@@Penuelism How can a leader of the ANC have no power to change the ANC and people's lives.If the ANC president and the country's president cant change anything then who can ? Nota is wrong on that one
@@Penuelism Zuma had power and influence that is why he is fighting to get back that power he lost.If he had no power why is he trying to get back into the ANC?wouldn't he be better off at the MK where he has power ? why go back where you know you won't have power?Nota needs to explain this cause it make no sense to me. What i think i going on is a personal beef between him and Ramaphosa
I really admire Nota. The guy is smart, knowledgeable and so well articulate. I honestly do feel the guy can help mentor a lot of young mens in this country
The EFF lost 350,000 votes in KZN, which were the votes they gained in 2019 due to disgruntled Zuma supporters. If you check the 2024 results data, you'll see that the EFF lost votes in KZN . Therefore, the notion that the EFF lost votes to the PA is a fallacy.
Nota has substance. Penual sometimes has these strange interpretations of reality. It's like he forgets that Zuma was the first ANC president to support a Radical Socio-economic Transformation.
Between men and women, women are the only ones who don't have a choice to walk away from the responsibility to raise their children, when things go wrong with the father. Men must want and take responsibility for fatherhood regardless of their relations with the mother of their children.
I dont think that jzet is a dictator , I mean he sure wasn't a dictator when he was president . He is just a shameless criminal who sold this country for a bowl of curry - how unpatriotic can you be and still be allowed to be a citizen of this country.
"School was not good to them", Nota. This is mouthful, everything that he says has been analyzed before saying it. That needs you to be very quick to analyze your response and analyze it correctly ...yerrr. It means we really need to decolonized our education system in order to keep the Black majority in schools to succeed not to fail.
He did not finish his term as the deputy president of the Country. Mbeki once said any person who says land must return to the people that person is not an ANC member because according to the ANC the land, because to all who live in it. People in ANC follow rules of the ANC. Hence, Zuma had to do what the ANC prescribed
Malema preached that the land must return to it's original owners,they expelled him after that,Why President Zuma did not do the same,or maybe he was also looking to fill his pockets?..Hani never agreed to attend the negotiations between apartheid gov and ANC leaders that was held before 1994 elections & they assassinated him because he was standing for the truth,Why Zuma allowed that to happen and went on to be the president???
Remarkable that neither Pen nor the guest discuss the real reason uMsholozi and the rest of the MK leadership are together. It's all the izigebenga in one party trying to escape the short arms of the SA law.
One thing that our people must understand is that leadership will never be about one person or messiah or savior complex. People slip into roles of power, most roles which are inherently unnecessary in their creation. The conscious world leaves no openings for prideful messiahs, as conscious souls have exited the realm of so named worship & obsession programming. This system government in which a single ruler (a tyrant) the exercise of power is misused. But that the story for another day.
I'm lost and I wish Penuel had asked the contradiction in that Zuma was almost powerless to be himself in the ANC cause it acts or governs as a collective yet Cyril is running roost and has full power also has to take blame for what the ANC is currently. I'm lost.
Guys lets no be stupid, No ones knows what the DA is planning or standing for, Why black people are discrediting MK. MK needs all the black support from black people. Zuma will not save ANC, that statement is just to make people stop asking questions. MK will never merge with ANC ever. Just support MK
@Mevcompany So even after the Guptas have been given so much by Zuma, you want them back again. South African taxpayers have been hard done by Zuma and his friends, so you want them back again. Let us be honest, the ANC has let us down as South Africans. MKP is ANC under disquise, so he messed up big time that old man. Even EFF is just remnants of the ANC. Stop playing the race card, our politicians are in it for themselves and nothing else. I am 66 years old ANC used to be a noble organization and I was an ardent supporter of this organization. Today we are led by a bunch of thugs and nothing less. The last time I voted for them was for Jacob Zuma, how I regretted that. Even Ghana has has a change of leadership, Africa is waking up to corrupt leaders now. Botswana has also changed its leaders after 65 years of the same ruling party. The winds of change are passing through Africa. ANC is also on the way out, because they are out of touch with the people on the ground.
Don’t worry about those black people that doesn’t support MKP they never supported it in the first place even if you give them 100 reasons why they should vote for the MKP they would find 1 reason not too… I personally think this chance of having a political party like MKP comes once in 100 years, and another thing is those black that doesn’t like MKP assumes that we the blacks voting for the MKP are poor or uneducated!!!
@@liendorqwabe734 Do you think we must vote for people who brought the Guptas to steal more money from our treasury, sorry bhuti you are wrong. MKP have been so corrupt, all they want to do is squash all their corrupt cases.
I feel like Nota is understating the power/influence JZ once wielded within the ANC.His then faction was almost untouchable as they had most of the provincial chairs/premiers and could appoint/fire ministers without the then SGs approval.His final move as state president of declaring tertiary education free shows that if he was willing to do what he now preaches he would've but he didn't!
Just like sol phenduka said it ,nota is very intelligent and has o lot to offer this country, he just decide to take that intelligence and weponize it even against himself sometimes
I didn’t just watch; I absorbed, reflected, and walked away enriched.
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Nota is more calm and collected while throwing facts. Keep up the humour brother, it will get you far.
His facts are obviously coloured. He only see things that comply to his political views. Claiming that Zuma as the president had no power is so delusional.
Good one. Nota you're very good and knowledgeable. You dealt very well with robs agent
Penuel is actual far ahead of time it is just that he comes of controversial until you get his underlying arguments
@@nomkhosiprecious9435 although ad times he just wants to paint some people as corrupt even when theres no proof and he's ad Zuma although he profess to love Zuma and please don't get Me wrong I love God Pen he critics everyone but he's obsession with Zuma being corrupt erks Me.
Oh snap! The Authority in the building
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This Nota guy is a no no nota nonsense. This is my second time listening to him. Yerrr... he is a bomb and very smart.
This is one of the best sessions the two of you have done together. Heated debates are not necessary at times and to be honest, I prefer this version of you two. Sometimes outarguing competitions and ego trips are just off putting. Job well done to you both.
"I love Jacob Zuma" That is the problem with black people when it comes to politics; they think it's about love or hate. They think it's similar "Khosi for life" or "once a pirate always a pirate"; it's not. Politics is about electing the best people for the job; we are the boss, they are job seekers and we decided which of them gets the job. We should judge them on character, on track record and not just what they tell they are about. We need to disabuse ourselves of the expectation that any of these guys is here to save and realise that it is us who should run things by electing the people who can deliver. And they fail us then we change them; until we clear of bad apples.
Forget about Zuma. Zuma might not live for 20 years from now😢. But appreciate that, he is trying to build a structure, where right and deserving black people can lead to their complete liberation freedom. What we are doing ourselves to liberate ourselves?
Aah man, my point exactly. I wish more people can open their eyes to that truth. Democracy is only beneficial in a society where more people can see through the nonsense the politician spew and make informed decision during elections.
Good point syaqala mnje sizama MK if shluleka sozama ebelungu if shluleke lapho kmele snike amasonto ithiba
Loving where you’re going with this, this is exactly how we should be treating politicians. This should not be an emotional decision, simply one based on my individual and community economic and moral interests, and everything else should come secondary.
@@alimsimanga5326 How about you appreciate the fact that he sold this country to the Guptas?
Big up to both of you guys, but let me say this Nota you just flipped another side of the coin, calm,collected and very articulate, you've just gained my respect in a massive way, I've watched many podcasts where you were interviewed, this time you've raised the bar,period....
Watching from Namibia 🇳🇦
What have you fed Nota😮😅 I'm loving this calm version of Nota, the man is super smart.
I think he is now taking his medication
Thanks!
Nota is him guys, i salute you brother. I'm an MK supporter however i agree with your politics analysis
I appreciate this Nota!,I like Nota like this!,what ever you are eating my brother!,keep eating it!!,the energy you’re radiating suits the stature of the man you are!
I lost him, Nota, after 19:00. I don't even think he understood the argument from the start & I appreciate you, Penuel, for sticking to your point of argument. I think this guy got none of it.
I agree Nota did throw alot of jargon that hardly made any sense I'm sure even to himself. Panuel kept it simple with a clear understanding of this topic.
I noted the same thing, this guy is obviously very knowledgeable but I sense that he might be mentally unstable or just immature....I don't know, he strikes me as the type of person who absorbs information for the sake of wanting to be seen as smart but having no real use for it.
His problem is that he is projecting reality onto his political views.
It becomes very obvious when he said that Zuma was just a puppet when he became and was the president. If the ANC is controlled by outside forces then it makes no sense to support them.
Me and my brother we always say one decision our mother did best was to take us to live with our father ❤.
Izinja zam.. The Authority ❤
Keep up the good work of promoting MKp💚🖤💚🖤💚🖤💚🖤💚🖤🇿🇦♥️
I’m enjoying this version of Nota, I was beaming from ear to ear throughout this interview 😊
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I'm always amazed by Nota's intelligence and he's capability of thinking independently on any subject. Unfortunately a lot of people have consumed so much of the anti-Zuma propaganda over the years they'll never truly recognize what's happening blinded by their unfounded hate for the man.
THE ANC MADE A DEAL NOT TO TOUCH ISSUES ON LAND WITHOUT PARLIAMENTARY MAJORITY. JZ USED TO COMPLAIN THAT MEMBERS OF THE ANC USED TO VOTE AGAINST ANC . THATS WHY THE ANC NEC COULD NOT FACE HIM PRIOR TO HIS EXPULSION. NEVER MIND THE SMOKESCREEN THREAT OF VIOLENC
No 1 debator Nota Baloyi
Agreed
Kuyini ukuzonda uZuma? Ukubuza imibuzo mayelana nama actions akhe?
Free Zuma for the government of the king of righteousness (theocracy) to reign supreme his nyahbinghi warriors must conquer, as his warrior is his governor. Established in man woman and children of life and living..
.. " h.i.m. emperor Haile Selassie I
Proly the most enjoyyed Nota interview. Outside of everything else, boy is genuinely brilliant
I'm always looking forward to listen to Nota, Wisdom in a human form,
Great conversation 👏👏 Thank you Mr. Nota and Penuel the plug 🔌
A dope conversation indeed..
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Yes panuel u rite Zuma was a anc president and work to follow the rules and orders so now he open his party the rules are different u two must join mk cos blacks must work together to help the nation but black sellout will be in tight😮
Zuma is nothing but a populist. Remember he wanted to be a recording music artist and his followers said yes! He started Mkp simply because he believes the ANC should have left him to finish his job , ie destroying RSA.. people just flock after him without knowing what he can do for them , which he couldn't do for 9 years. He has taken all his crooked buddies to Parliament to help them earn a living because he destroyed their careers. This old man is bad news for the country . careers. This old man is bad news for the country.he talks about African law.. of which African tribe. ? I don't know of any written African law, do you? All his effort are aimed at avoiding going to jail.
BRILLIANT OBSERVATION WHICH ESCAPES MOST SANS. I GUESS IT REQUIRES A CERTAIN BRAND OF INTELLECT WHICH MAY NOT BE IN SUFFICIENT SUPPLY AMONGST BLACK SANS
@@PhumzileMtshali-dp8dw Hlabangani Eli Mhlophe
So, if you are outside of MK you are a sellout?
The GOAT is back with the schooling 🙌🙌🙌
Say it as it is my man🤝👌🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🇿🇦
Great interview, glad you listened gents
Why do people always always underestimate Zuma. He knows they will never allow him to return to ANC, it is to keep relations with ANC members still in the ANC who do not agree with Ramaphosa policy. Politics is a long game.
Penuel is either stupid or is acting stupid to keep the debate going. Even a child knows Zuma would not return or be returned to the ANC. But he wants to maintain contact with his base in the ANC
@@ohlangeniWhy is that contact with the ANC important? What about those who want nothing to do with the ANC?
... and he is a very very old man.
People should do research, not speculate. Nota, I salute 🫡 my brother
Well done Nota Baloyi, 👏 ✔️ 👍
Peneuel came across as not listening to Nota and I think Nota was the best in this interview
He is always like this. Boring. Why bring someone if you gonna talk a lot.
Nota is intelligent
🙌🙌🙌🙌 welcome back Nota please yeka ukwenza Flop, keep on schooling us.
As I like before I even listen. Thanks brothers ✊🏾
The Case for Jacob Zuma always amazes me. He is one of those rare cases where instead of focusing on the contents relevant to the subject, we are more interested on the subject or the man. Unfortunately, this is a true reflection of black South African's interllectual culture and orientation, whereby a large part of our understanding regarding how the world works is based around conspiracy and normative analysis, uttering value judgment or simply put things that we can neither prove to be true or false instead of focusing on what the facts say.
This is a serious problem, because every argument that revolves on anything but facts leads to me saying one thing you saying the other and the only consensus reached is "Let us agree to disagree".
What are the facts regarding Jacob Zuma?
1) Zuma has been in leadership of the ANC and government collectively for just about 35 years.
As far as only government is concerned, he's been the Deputy president of the country for 6 years from 1999 to 2005, he's been the president of South Africa for 9 years from 2009 to 2018, a total of 15 years. Just for context the ANC has been in power for 30 years and for 15 of those 30 years Zuma has been either the number 1 man or number two man, not just in government but in the ANC and his power in the ANC has been greater than in government as he has been the Deputy president of the ANC for 10 years and the president of the ANC for 10 years a total of 20 years in just ANC leadership.
By these facts we can not we simple can not talk about the failures of the ANC and its Government without talking about the likes of Zuma. Who out of a 100% of rule 50% is relevant to him, and not only did he lead an ANC he led an ANC that was powerful, powerful enough to change whatever laws which he believed were not in the interest of black South Africans and bargain to advance their interests.
2) Nota says in this time he was not as powerful and was only as powerful as the ANC orders him to be. He wasn't advancing his vision only the one assigned to him by the ANC. Say this is true, it would mean we really can not hold any ANC leader accountable for anything. We could simply say it was not them it was the ANC. Weather it's Mandela, Mbeki, Zuma or ramaphosa.
But also it would contradict the fact that in his time of power he did very well in advancing his own interest and the interests of his family. This is the same guy who's children got rich during his presidency and their wealth is in relation with the Gupta family who were able to capture the state and SOEs something that could have not been possible without the authorization of the president Jacob Zuma. And all of these are documented in the state capture report.
3) people always make the case that they were more black Millionaires during Zuma's presidency and this is in fact true. But the rise of black Millionaires was in direct correlation with the loosening up of the provision of tenders. Which led to people getting tenders even when they were not capable of doing the Job. When R100 million tender required one to show R10 million of capacity, during zumas term even if you didn't have R10 million of capacity you would get the tender and this led to a series of unfinished gorvenment projects, weather it's roads, schools, toilets all where not done due to that corruption. So yes they were many black Millionaires but at what expense? At the expense of unfinished roads which continue to kill people, pit toilets through which children still fall in and die, schools not being built and endangering the future of this country. That was the trade off of black Millionaires during zumas presidency.
So my question how much of it is a good thing when a drug dealer brings up young men in his community in the drug game, financially empowering them through selling drugs, the very same drugs that are killing the community?
I could go on with this topic but I'll leave it here
@@ZamokuhleMohauduma I love everything you've written and agree with most of it.
That part you said about us not being able to hold any ANC leader accountable is a killer blow 🔥🔥🔥
@@Penuelism How can a leader of the ANC have no power to change the ANC and people's lives.If the ANC president and the country's president cant change anything then who can ? Nota is wrong on that one
@math97003 Very valid questions. Some believe only rich ppl have true power... but I also don't quite buy that Zuma had no power to influence change.
@@Penuelism Zuma had power and influence that is why he is fighting to get back that power he lost.If he had no power why is he trying to get back into the ANC?wouldn't he be better off at the MK where he has power ? why go back where you know you won't have power?Nota needs to explain this cause it make no sense to me. What i think i going on is a personal beef between him and Ramaphosa
@math97003 oh boy 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nota i can listen to you the whole day ayi my brother you speak sense and facts🤝
On the fathers issue, please invite Nota again and we deliberate on that! Danko
I really admire Nota. The guy is smart, knowledgeable and so well articulate. I honestly do feel the guy can help mentor a lot of young mens in this country
The EFF lost 350,000 votes in KZN, which were the votes they gained in 2019 due to disgruntled Zuma supporters. If you check the 2024 results data, you'll see that the EFF lost votes in KZN . Therefore, the notion that the EFF lost votes to the PA is a fallacy.
Nota is very smart in general but normally lacks the sense of being human, but today he's more human. Thanks Gents
👌👌👌👌👌👌The Kanye of SA who always speak th facts in some type of way .#Nota .popopopo🎉
Do you'll think Zuma would have done this had he not been arrested i just think they awoken a beast
@@khulekanikhumalo5265 Fair question.
THE MANNER IN WHICH HE WAS ARRESTED WAS RATHER CRUDE
ANY SELF-RESPECTING MAN HAVING RECEIVED THE KIND OF TREATMENT, WOULDNT BE FAULTED FOR REACTING THE WAY HE HAS DONE
Yes bezoyenza still
Nota for president 😂😂😂😂
VivaEmk
VivashoLozi
Vivazuma
am glad to see Nota like this bcz he's so intelligent that we all learn from him.
Nota has substance. Penual sometimes has these strange interpretations of reality. It's like he forgets that Zuma was the first ANC president to support a Radical Socio-economic Transformation.
I really don't understand this guy. The question is if Zuma was pro- black as he claims why he didn't join Azapo or PAC and leave ANC:
Answer is, those parties are useless
Zuma chose to form MK, best move ever!!!
@@mzansitrashuseless is not a word you should have used.
@mzansitrash 😂😂you can't effect change sitting on the bench
Between men and women, women are the only ones who don't have a choice to walk away from the responsibility to raise their children, when things go wrong with the father. Men must want and take responsibility for fatherhood regardless of their relations with the mother of their children.
Human unity !!!❤
Jacob Zuma gets praised for bieng a dictator,Julius Malema gets shamed for bieng a Dictator 😂😂😂
Because malema claims to be a Democrat
Ongoing emotional manipulation free Zuma because hi is confokulation
Dictator?, Clearly we learnt english in different schools,
I dont think that jzet is a dictator , I mean he sure wasn't a dictator when he was president . He is just a shameless criminal who sold this country for a bowl of curry - how unpatriotic can you be and still be allowed to be a citizen of this country.
The king NOTA is back😤💪🏾
Nota is the best!
The fatherlessness was interesting but short.. he needs to come back here
Pen , I love listening to you. Keep up the good work.
Brilliant twin think tanks!
Nota and Penuel, my smartest people 😊
Nota has gain my confidence again, he is teaching this Afriforum
"School was not good to them", Nota. This is mouthful, everything that he says has been analyzed before saying it. That needs you to be very quick to analyze your response and analyze it correctly ...yerrr. It means we really need to decolonized our education system in order to keep the Black majority in schools to succeed not to fail.
There's this thing that make you wanna listen more to Nota..
Welcome back Nota… we missed you bro.
NOTA is on point!
Pen is verry patient Shame !!! Nota speaks in parables why can’t he say things as they are.
"The rising Tides benefit both boats" dankie Nota
This was not a debate. It was a class in session
Did anyone esle here Kgosi Mampuru's narrative, fascinating!
You captured the character of MKP accurately Penuel
Bravo Nota 👏🏿 you're smart, mate
He did not finish his term as the deputy president of the Country. Mbeki once said any person who says land must return to the people that person is not an ANC member because according to the ANC the land, because to all who live in it. People in ANC follow rules of the ANC. Hence, Zuma had to do what the ANC prescribed
Malema preached that the land must return to it's original owners,they expelled him after that,Why President Zuma did not do the same,or maybe he was also looking to fill his pockets?..Hani never agreed to attend the negotiations between apartheid gov and ANC leaders that was held before 1994 elections & they assassinated him because he was standing for the truth,Why Zuma allowed that to happen and went on to be the president???
Amazing, Nota thank you btoe
You must also bring someone who don't like Zuma because Nota loves Zuma
Remarkable that neither Pen nor the guest discuss the real reason uMsholozi and the rest of the MK leadership are together. It's all the izigebenga in one party trying to escape the short arms of the SA law.
Role of fathers ✊
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@@siyabongasikade3743 🔥🔥🔥
Nota you are smart yerrrrrr🤨
Nota u did this interview justice
One thing that our people must understand is that leadership will never be about one person or messiah or savior complex. People slip into roles of power, most roles which are inherently unnecessary in their creation. The conscious world leaves no openings for prideful messiahs, as conscious souls have exited the realm of so named worship & obsession programming. This system government in which a single ruler (a tyrant) the exercise of power is misused. But that the story for another day.
❤ Uyarabulisa Nato nyani,lontu nolwazo lubanzi.Andiqali kukumamela.Lontu nobulali.Sokhululeki Sizwe sakuthi ngenyi mini.Phambili Msholezi.lnene ungumnyulwa.
Pen my brother that MAMSIE on ur forearm much respect ❤
Nota should join MK, and become Minister of Sports ,Art and Culture when MK wins the elections 😄
I'm lost and I wish Penuel had asked the contradiction in that Zuma was almost powerless to be himself in the ANC cause it acts or governs as a collective yet Cyril is running roost and has full power also has to take blame for what the ANC is currently. I'm lost.
Guys lets no be stupid, No ones knows what the DA is planning or standing for, Why black people are discrediting MK. MK needs all the black support from black people. Zuma will not save ANC, that statement is just to make people stop asking questions. MK will never merge with ANC ever. Just support MK
What about black people that don't agree how MK goes about thinks. Black people are not a monolith.
@Mevcompany So even after the Guptas have been given so much by Zuma, you want them back again. South African taxpayers have been hard done by Zuma and his friends, so you want them back again. Let us be honest, the ANC has let us down as South Africans. MKP is ANC under disquise, so he messed up big time that old man. Even EFF is just remnants of the ANC. Stop playing the race card, our politicians are in it for themselves and nothing else. I am 66 years old ANC used to be a noble organization and I was an ardent supporter of this organization. Today we are led by a bunch of thugs and nothing less. The last time I voted for them was for Jacob Zuma, how I regretted that. Even Ghana has has a change of leadership, Africa is waking up to corrupt leaders now. Botswana has also changed its leaders after 65 years of the same ruling party. The winds of change are passing through Africa. ANC is also on the way out, because they are out of touch with the people on the ground.
Don’t worry about those black people that doesn’t support MKP they never supported it in the first place even if you give them 100 reasons why they should vote for the MKP they would find 1 reason not too… I personally think this chance of having a political party like MKP comes once in 100 years, and another thing is those black that doesn’t like MKP assumes that we the blacks voting for the MKP are poor or uneducated!!!
@@liendorqwabe734 Do you think we must vote for people who brought the Guptas to steal more money from our treasury, sorry bhuti you are wrong. MKP have been so corrupt, all they want to do is squash all their corrupt cases.
@liendorqwabe734 Just because you are black does not mean you have to vote, mkp.
Nota's argument is just a BS, he doesn't even make sense
😂there's nothing special about him. He's English is fluent 🔥
CONCERNING 9 WASTED, PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT JZ HAD NO LEVERAGE TO SWAY ANC POLICY ON SENSITIVE ISSUES SUCH AS LAND
What about state capture, especially the 250 million spent on the security upgrade at NKANDLA
Keep telling yourself that lie.
The dope boys is the rock stars...!
Whtp Nota welcome back🎉
Nota with the “The hustlers
corner” tshirt
❤❤❤ Dope ❤❤❤
Hola magents❤
Good to see u get along
Danko❤❤
I like how Nota says facts about white and no comment from interviewer.. Says lot about this guy
Gwaza Mkhonto
Thank you Pan,I missed the real Nota..
I feel like Nota is understating the power/influence JZ once wielded within the ANC.His then faction was almost untouchable as they had most of the provincial chairs/premiers and could appoint/fire ministers without the then SGs approval.His final move as state president of declaring tertiary education free shows that if he was willing to do what he now preaches he would've but he didn't!
I think Nota was not arrested. He was at Ladgad. He came back sober and calm.
penuel trying to thnk Nota is dumb, interview proved, this NOTA guy is very much intelligent, cant take that away from him
Nota making perfect sense
Nota is intelligent.
You will never get to the points with nota. mr panuel
Just like sol phenduka said it ,nota is very intelligent and has o lot to offer this country, he just decide to take that intelligence and weponize it even against himself sometimes