I dunno' about 'knowing'. There have been many accidents where the captain just got too drunk to know what's going on, and hands the helm over to some junior league associate. Some have driven at speed directly into well mapped reefs, docks, etc. Regardless,keep the ship and captain until a sufficient sums is placed in an escrow account to cover repairs, downtime revenue losses, and fines for excessive stupidity.
Try also to take a look at Xin Hai Tong 17. She also left Ust-Luga a little earlier than Yi Peng 3 a sailed at even lower speed. Both vessels had suspicious departures and returns to Ust-Luga harvour 4 hours put in again. 15!hours out in again as if they were practicing or testing something.
Ha ha, you just filled my picture in. Now I know more. I was once upon a time project manager for Sweden-Latvia Gotland Ventspils. So I will fill you in and answer your question! The big difference to the other cables is that it is buried! They simply didn't get the "anchor" , really the dragging cutting tool, down deep enough in the seabed at that depth and speed. It simply didn't snag. My guess is that they didn't use the ship's anchor on a chain but a cutting grappler ( like a plow) on a wire. It pleases me to learn that my cable survived the attack since the lay was actually done to survive beeing snagged by trawler boards and dragging chains.(or someone is just not admitting that it is cut too!) This is very deliberate sabotage. With poor intelligence coordination since folks in Russia knows the design as they were once involved as users of the cable. But now the other hand knows too since they failed.
@@anderscomstedt3064 Hi! what a great coincidence to meet the maker of the cable! This internet is amazing. :) Thanks for the info, now I understand why the cable didn't break. Hmm.. Can Yi Peng 3 have a suitable winch for cable-operated cutting tool? The anchor also seems to work well, and then it captain can be explained that it fell by accident. Ca. One year ago check out the NewNew polar bear case. Two cables cut off with anchor. (Estonian-Swedish and Estonian-Finnish, and baltic connector gas pipe) There is a video about it on our Finnish-language channel (Suukko II) Btw, Can I tell in the next video in Finnish channel, that i meet you in my english channel? The cable installer who said it was dug into the bottom of the sea. I won't say your name. Cheers, Samuli
All of this is more or less open information in the cable laying business. As soon as you know what ship and other resources that have been used for the lay you pretty well know what has been done. All of the cable laying ships in laying operations appear in Information to Mariners, right? What do they have next to their A-frame? The seabed of the Baltic Sea is really a reflection of the melting of the Inland Ice , a gigantic glacier. So what is downstream of a glacier? Boulder fields, clay and sand further away. That is why we have a sand coastline from Poland to Latvia. With lots of boulder fields further out to Sweden with clay patched between. So what is cheapest? Mapping routes plowable or just throwing a cable overboard hoping for the best as it settles on the seabed? So a lot of the cables just gets buried close to shore, if that. Free spanning cables do exist in the area. Not a big problem with no tidal streams. Big issue elsewhere. They are not very unfrequent in the shifting sand banks of the North Sea and trawlers have been snagged in them. The cables are pretty strong wires that easily rubber band down a fishing wessel trying to retrieve its gear. All of a sudden the stability is lost and the ship disappear in seconds. No captain will do that mistake today. Just drop the gear to be salvaged another day. So you need to have a BIG ship that could raise +25 tons, or a grappler cutting the wire armoring. Limits the suspects, right? The building of the North Stream pipes have provided the Russians with all they need of modern knowledge. Pre liberation they had an old undeclared cable StP Kaliningrad too, BTW. Lots of stuff down there. Note that the navies now buzzing around know exactly what to look for today. But it will be interesting to see if they will impound the ship or not as collateral. 50/50 that they will chicken out. Anything I have told you is not only open, but industry knowledge. The Gotland-Ventspils lay was even described as good practice at an industry conference decades ago. You should be asking if the cut cables were buried at the cut or not...
@@anderscomstedt3064 that is what happened I am a Captain and there is no way you 6 Knots with a dragging anchor from your bow it would idamage the hull and the anchor winch
@@anderscomstedt3064 Funny seeing you here in the comments.. I used to work at BT. We bought quite a lot of service from you guys! 🙂 Thank you for sharing your expertise!
@@willemvanderKooij .....but here the economic damage you achieve is substantially more material! Clearly a mendacious act intended to disrupt EU functions.
November 23, 1330 UTC: Picking data from Marine Traffic (cool site!), the "Yi Peng 3" is still anchored in the Danish economic zone but just outside Danish territorial waters. The Danish Navy has swapped the "guardian angel", it is now the "Hvidbjørnen", an inspection/coastguard ship. At least since yesterday the German coastguard / federal police ship "Bad Duben" has also been "hanging around".
The Captain/crew cannot have been unaware that the anchor was dropped and dragging. The chain must have made a lot of noise along the side of the ship. I wonder how they keep the chain away from the rudder and propeller
The ship is way to long, and the speed way to low for the bow anchor chains to even touch the bottom of the hull. If it was the aft anchors they are positioned to avoid any interference with rudder and propulsion.
They can. Its stormy weather. Its dry cargo ship (not the best of the best crew work there) . They would no go out and check. They are slow teaming ship. Honestly they could compare sog and log and figure it out, but they did not. And there would not be noise the superstructure is aft, anchor is fwd (duh) if the chain is out there is no noise in the superstructure. And no ship doesn't have an aft anchor.
@@zoki.to974 Proclamation of the Maritime Act. On board/entire crew is in the service of the ship,is obliged to compensate damages caused by negligence/acts of war at sea.
@@andersmller3000 first, you cannot arrest whole crew but those responsible for crimes you listed. second, do we have precedent of same/similar or comparable act in the somewhat recent history? did international community, maritime board/entity executed its laws on actors of such act?
@zoki.to974 YI Ping 3 has done Aggression when crossing, is proven.Any kind of act where the intention is to damage/destroy other things and to carry out such acts is punishable by imprisonment. Everyone crew on board the ship's service is liable to any Aggression.Danish/Swedish/EU-Waters Police Authority.
The ship waited at anchor outside port and possibly picked up a Russian Sabotage Submarine and sailed with it underneath, ais turned off for the deed and a drop in average knots. Subs under ships is an old old trick.
The Chinese are very polite people, so if some Chinese embassy was asked "Can you please hold that ship back, we have an incident we would like to investigate, your ship may be involved", then the Chinese will hold back the ship, they will not allow anyone to go onboard to investigate up front, but they will hold back the ship. This is in no way a Chinese acceptance of guilt, it is just to be polite and cooperative.
Then the ship must be rejected for further sailing,as is not seaworthy..and must either be towed into port.as this is deliberate sabotage, and be scrapped.
I know little of maritime law, but I always assumed that any state could detain AND BOARD any vessel within it's territorial waters when there is strong evidence of misdeeds by the crew like in this case. One would assume that at least the superior officers could be arrested and brought before a judge - and a vessel without officers is not going anywhere.
The clue word is "territorial waters", and it is the Swedes that want the ship/captain, but the ship is not in Sweden's territorial waters, and the incident, apparently, did not take place in Sweden's territorial waters, so they have no jurisdiction. Even if the incident did take place in Sweden's territorial waters, then they must be able to couple the ship directly to the incident and they can't, there is only circumstantial suspicion.
Im pretty confident the Russians if they wished to sabotage those cables could have done it in a more subtle way then letting a Chinese ship drag its anchor for 400km across the Baltic.. I guess you belive the Russian blew up NordStream to lolololol
@@nukkinfuts6550 Sloppy work yes but hard to pin down as completely stupid error or Russian backed sabotage so why be subtle about it, but like how many ocean going ships wouldn't know they were losing half their speed due to dragging a huge anchor behind themselves?
@@nukkinfuts6550There’s no wish from the Russians to be subtle. They want to send a message and wip up fear. That’s the point. Just shady enough to not get caught red handed, but obvious enough to send a message.
In hindsight I have to say that there have been several Chinese ships being more or less static for some time throughout the year around that first location. I was looking at the 'shadow fleet' for a tracking project I was playing with at that time and noticed it, but never actually thought about which cables are running there. Maybe someone with access to historic data can look back a few month, as that is definitely no coincidence.
This is just too diplomatic, a Chinese Boat, Drags its anchor across the worlds cables , causes millions of dollars in Damage. The question is, how are they going to get the money from the Ships Insurance ? When are the countries involved going to raise the liability insurance coverage for any boat that happens to be over a cable when it breaks? Its classic Russian warfare and it needs to be responded to. Cut the cables to Kaligrad for a starter
I presume investigators have timestamps for cables failure that may be linked to ship position. The ship can "simulate" engine issues to disguise dragging the anchor. The ship might have used something else to cut the cables, then drop it off to hide evidence, so absence of anchor chain scratches is not proof of innocence. The ship course/speed is suspicious, but even if it's proven beyond doubt they cut the cables, the captain/crew are just executing orders. This feels like a rehearsal for future conflicts.
Very good explanation. Thank you for posting. It is too easy to blame the Chinese or blame the russians. The Captain as you say is responsible. How the Engineers and Mates did not understand they were dragging anchor especially when the strain of the cable was taken up is difficult to understand.
It is easy to blame the Russian and Chinese leadership because this clearly was not accidental and they have a history of pulling stunts with the aim of disturbing european communications. Perhaps Sweden, Germany and afinland should borrow a page out of the russian playbook and expand territorial waters to be able to eliminate unwanted maritime activities on what is currently international waters
That would be the second recent incident of this nature. The notion that this was an 'accident' is now disproven. Impound the ship and scrap it, sell the cargo - apply the proceeds to help with reparations cost. When we are looking forward. there should be a ban on Chinese commercial vessels captained or crewed by Russians. The Russian Navy has a unit created for this purpose. They have demonstrated that they are instruments in an act of an undeclared war. Accept it and act accordingly.
@@dereksollows9783 Thank you, now I understand more about this incident. Is this what is being referred to as the "grey area" of shipping? The russian pilot said when he left the vessel "this is a normal ship with a fully Chinese crew" but then he would say that.
@@dereksollows9783 The Chinese will retaliate in the South China Sea. They will accuse someone of something and do what you describe. But I can’t see another strong way for Baltic countries to handle this reckless hybrid warfare
@@dereksollows9783 What about the so-called "Rule bases order", you know, we follow the laws and rules that exist and for an incident like this, well things take time to investigate, international court cases takes time too, if this will ever be settle it will take years. The average citizen's, and politician's, need for immediate action is not something that is immediately possible with the existing laws and regulations.
That shoal and the vessel speed change are very damning. Also the coming to a complete stop? That should be interesting. What does fuel consumption and engine room logs of RPM tell us about the slow speed achieved? I think the skipper is snookered.
Fellow seafarer here 👏 IF it was an anchor dropped becouse of malfunction, poor seamanship and lack of anchor stoppers. It would probably freefall to the bottom cousing the weak point in the chainbox to snapp and break the anchorwinch. Like its intended to do in such events. They would have lost the anchor or at the very least broken the anchorwinch. They would have never been able to retrive it. If it was lowered under controlled circumstances this would not have been an issue. Therefore I belive that IF it was the anchor, it was done intentionally.
The Swedish Prime Minister, Ulf Kristersson, wants the Chinese cargo ship Yi Peng 3, which is currently lying idle in the Danish economic zone, to move towards Sweden. - From the Swedish side, we have had contact with the vessel and China and stated that we would like it to move towards Swedish waters. Then we can better cooperate on what has happened, he said today. The Chinese vessel, which is anchored in the middle of the Kattegat, is the focus of the investigation into suspected sabotage against two undersea cables in the Baltic Sea. Denmark and several other countries are currently in intense negotiations with China to be allowed to examine the vessel.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea Well, one thing is what you think it is, a very different thing is to take it to court and win. Some cases looks very clear cut from the get go, but in court they end up being lost due to many different things that was not taking into consideration because one was thinking "We got a clear a winner case". We still miss info on how the cable was destroyed, was it cut? was it dragged and then snapped? If it was dragged, then in what direction? It is very early to make bulletproof conclusions, just saying.
@@ChristianTramsen-p8h You mean, just like some of the submarines in Sweden's waters back in the good old days was actually NATO's as a clue to Sweden to join the club.
Unfortunately the delay by the ship / ship's owners will facilitate the disposal / alteration of evidence. This will include Sat Phone / mobile to Peter Jones's locker. Paper and computer records alteration which would require a computer specialist to be on board so it follows that they will take orders from what ever security team are on board hiding as part of the crew. Passports and or Seamans books may uncover which ones they are e.g. sequential numbered passporyts / seamans books unless they are spirited away into the drink. There could also be some intercepted communications which may or may not be used in any criminal court case. We also need to keep watching other areas (not taking our eye off the ball) e.g. West Coast of Ireland is full of cables.
Serius update about chinese sabotage ship Yi Peng 3 detained in Danish waters continued; It is now reported that Yi Peng 3 also performed an unusual maneuver northeast of Læsø on the morning of November 7 - that is, ten days before the cables in the Baltic Sea were damaged. So-called AIS data, which indicates the ship's position, shows that Yi Peng 3 passed over two power cables and a data cable at reduced speed off Læsø, after which the ship came to a complete stop approximately 850 meters after passing the cables.
The colour of this picture is slightly off which gives the impression that it is painted orange. But in 14:40 you see the true colour: "rusy steel" or in other words there is no paint on it.
@hokroeger as i understood, AVRA was the previous name of Ji Peng and has a straight anchor here. While the more actual first rusty anchor pic is curved with the new name "ji peng"
Umm, the length of that line would have to have been 500 feet at least for the deep part.. then trying to drag that with a normal ship anchor setup would destroy that anchor hole and any brakes holding it. Lets be real, if it was not some special long cable with a cutting plow, deployed from a special system inside the ship, this is mere speculation or a diversion to the real culprit.
This might be possible. The anchor also works because NewNew Polar Bear did the same a year ago. The anchor hole can handle it. (we have some damage experience with our ship)
Serius update on chinese ship Yi Peng 3 grave sabotage of subsea cables i Baltic Sea and now also attempted sabotage of subsea cables in Danish waters on 7th November: Chinese ship suspected of sabotage mysteriously maneuvered over submarine cables off Læsø The cargo ship Yi Peng 3, now surrounded by Danish and German naval vessels in the Kattegat, braked just above three cables between Læsø and Sweden. A Chinese cargo ship, which was heading south in the Kattegat at full speed, suddenly slowed down.The propellers turned slower and slower until the 224-meter-long ship lay almost completely still, only moving at about one kilometer per hour.The ship lay like this for about five minutes, until the propellers were started up again and the vessel continued south through the Kattegat, the Øresund and the Baltic Sea. So far, the focus has been on two suspicious circumstances, where the Yi Peng 3 sailed over cables on the seabed off Gotland and south of Sweden, just as they broke.
The cables are very thin an the anker is made of pure steel. It is very difficult to physical damage steel even with stone (and the sea ground there could be mainly sand) . Indeed I would only expect changes in the rust coating - aka pretty minor.
If you dragging the anchor behind you your anchor chain wil make constant contact with the hull and you would see the scratches the chain had emulated going backwards If she is responsible I have hard to see that was done with her anchor. The steering would be extremely difficult,the forces on the anchor winch tremendous The cables are buried 1.5 meters deep in the seabed.you need a plow of a kind to gut the cables.
It`s a second time a Chine ship destroy a cable in that area the first one was between finland and estland and now close to sweden - gotland. It`s a sabotage plain and simple
Maybe the police/ military also should take a look at the location where the ship stopped if they got rid of evidence or clear out what the reason for the stop was.
If we look at Marine Traffic's data then there is even more ships to but into question, if we take that into the equation that it could had been two different ships that cut the cables, wow then much more ships, speculations, speculations, and more speculations, James Bond and Johnny English are busy.
We also have a Finnish language channel. The speech-to-text function works there. It translates to English. ruclips.net/video/fB-vEp3wr-0/видео.htmlsi=js7Qi88HEmaOdzW9
Well nothing new there it happened in two world wars! Why do people assume you can run items international waters and have no result in conflict. In the seventies I was on an accommodation platform that in a Force ten in the North Sea was drifting and pulled all anchors to avoid damaging oil pipelines. This form of degradation to lines and cables is even more available with remote vehicles and drones.
Bulkcarrier dropping anchor to a death oh 134m and still maintaining 7 kt speed. Seems farfetched. The windlass can not take such huge loads , without showing any damage. They could have towed a cable cutting gear though.
Don't worry, the cables can be bought now at overinflated prices. Meanwhile it looks like you can buy satellite internet time from Germany and others like the US. Be sure when fixing the problem that you don't disturb the Russian gas lines since interfering with international commerce has repercussions.
I have a brilliant idea. Owners of the ship lay down new cables on the sea bed or insurance company pays for the job done. Same quality, same length. So simple...
Penal code 12 chapter subsection 2 low number 126 of 15vapril 1930 promulgation 1145. 16 years imprisonment for sabotage. The ship YI Ping 3. Danish legislation.
While I agree this vessel is almost certainly the culprit you are making some pretty big assumptions and placing a lot of trust in the accuracy of AIS as reported by Marine Traffic. I think what you have here is a theory (a good one), you shouldn't be presenting it as fact, yet.
@timmardon6161 The ship is still surrounded by navy/cost guard of Denmark, Sweden and Germany. She's not being hold, she stopped voluntarily while the authorities are having diplomatic negotiations with China.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea well why would they not tell us if more cabels was damaged. i might be wrong with the ship beeing abel to drag that kind of weight and resistance and only loosing a few knots i a rough head wind. but listening to whats going on with shipping i tend to agree with his points, but your observation are also interesting.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea a 265m long anchor chain will make the angle from the ship 40degrees dragging it at 170m. so if the ship has scratch marks on the hull around 40degrees then it has been dragging all og its 265m at 170 m of water
The anker is not specifically made to destroy cables. I am not sure either if especially older cables can "burry themseves" by sand that is disposed over them through sea currents.
And the 2 Nord Stream issues are well behind those levelling a pointer at Beijing❗🤔 AWWWW, this brouhaha from Western sympathisers is rib-tickling to say the least.😝 It pays to recall that there's always a boomerang effect no matter the interval 👍
This was done on purpose from the Russian captain, hold him and the shipping company responsible and pay for and block them in future use the Baltic see🤥🤥🤥
Hienoa salapoliisityötä! Nykyinen tulkkaus hieman missasi joitain alkuperäisen analyysin yksityiskohtia, vaikka paikoin karsikin pois turhaakin mistä pointsit. Päivän vinkki: Kokeilkaa ChatGPT kääntämään suomesta englanniksi. Se on parempi kääntäjä kuin DeepL. Whisper pystyisi muuntamaan suomenkielisen äänen suomenkieliseksi tekstiksi.
Cool pres, and thrilling, I bet you read some good spy novels in your days! But you left out the obvious: that’s what the plot looks like when a ship has engine trouble: it’s slow, it stops moving repeatedly, the steering is off and it keeps changing its ETA.
@ Why would you use a ship that doesn’t even have an engine that works for a sabotage mission? That would make as little sense as using a recreational yacht when you deep sea dive to plant explosives on gas pipelines. Wait a minute, you probably believe that they did that. Sorry, my bad.
@tomhermens7698 It sure could be much better. English is my third language after Finnish and Swedish, so definitely a professional translator and a native speaker would be the best option.
HEY ALL ... LOOK AT THE YE PING ""AANKER"" THATS NO ANKER... LOOK UP UNDERSEA CABEL REPAIR SHIP TOOLS .. THAT ANKER IS A CABEL CUTTER... BUT IF YOU DONT .. KNOW HOW OR WHAT AN ANKER LOOK LIKE .. WELL LOOK UP .. THERE VIDEO OF CABEL REPAIR SHIPS THAT YPING ""ANKER"" IS A CABEL CUTTER
It is well known that some crews on ships in this water had been that drunk that they had no clue about what they were doing, some had manage to get almost past Danish water but then they got stuck. Back in the good old days they were from all countries around that area, now we only hear about them when they are from Russia, wounder why ?
It had to be intentional. Any captain or crew member knows when the anchor is deployed. No crew has ever been that stupid.
I dunno' about 'knowing'.
There have been many accidents where the captain just got too drunk to know what's going on, and hands the helm over to some junior league associate. Some have driven at speed directly into well mapped reefs, docks, etc.
Regardless,keep the ship and captain until a sufficient sums is placed in an escrow account to cover repairs, downtime revenue losses, and fines for excessive stupidity.
If the captain and crew are russians? Hint, they are.
More than obvious. I wonder why even debate about it.
No. Its just bed seamanship. Its not intentional. Why would it be?
Well, maybe? You have missed the episode of New Zealand's HMNZS Manawanui.
Try also to take a look at Xin Hai Tong 17. She also left Ust-Luga a little earlier than Yi Peng 3 a sailed at even lower speed. Both vessels had suspicious departures and returns to Ust-Luga harvour 4 hours put in again. 15!hours out in again as if they were practicing or testing something.
@@jesperdohrup9261 Interesting, thanks!
Ha ha, you just filled my picture in. Now I know more. I was once upon a time project manager for Sweden-Latvia Gotland Ventspils. So I will fill you in and answer your question!
The big difference to the other cables is that it is buried! They simply didn't get the "anchor" , really the dragging cutting tool, down deep enough in the seabed at that depth and speed. It simply didn't snag. My guess is that they didn't use the ship's anchor on a chain but a cutting grappler ( like a plow) on a wire.
It pleases me to learn that my cable survived the attack since the lay was actually done to survive beeing snagged by trawler boards and dragging chains.(or someone is just not admitting that it is cut too!)
This is very deliberate sabotage. With poor intelligence coordination since folks in Russia knows the design as they were once involved as users of the cable. But now the other hand knows too since they failed.
@@anderscomstedt3064 Hi! what a great coincidence to meet the maker of the cable! This internet is amazing. :) Thanks for the info, now I understand why the cable didn't break.
Hmm.. Can Yi Peng 3 have a suitable winch for cable-operated cutting tool?
The anchor also seems to work well, and then it captain can be explained that it fell by accident. Ca. One year ago check out the NewNew polar bear case. Two cables cut off with anchor. (Estonian-Swedish and Estonian-Finnish, and baltic connector gas pipe) There is a video about it on our Finnish-language channel (Suukko II)
Btw, Can I tell in the next video in Finnish channel, that i meet you in my english channel? The cable installer who said it was dug into the bottom of the sea. I won't say your name.
Cheers, Samuli
All of this is more or less open information in the cable laying business. As soon as you know what ship and other resources that have been used for the lay you pretty well know what has been done. All of the cable laying ships in laying operations appear in Information to Mariners, right? What do they have next to their A-frame?
The seabed of the Baltic Sea is really a reflection of the melting of the Inland Ice , a gigantic glacier. So what is downstream of a glacier? Boulder fields, clay and sand further away. That is why we have a sand coastline from Poland to Latvia. With lots of boulder fields further out to Sweden with clay patched between. So what is cheapest? Mapping routes plowable or just throwing a cable overboard hoping for the best as it settles on the seabed? So a lot of the cables just gets buried close to shore, if that. Free spanning cables do exist in the area. Not a big problem with no tidal streams. Big issue elsewhere. They are not very unfrequent in the shifting sand banks of the North Sea and trawlers have been snagged in them. The cables are pretty strong wires that easily rubber band down a fishing wessel trying to retrieve its gear. All of a sudden the stability is lost and the ship disappear in seconds. No captain will do that mistake today. Just drop the gear to be salvaged another day. So you need to have a BIG ship that could raise +25 tons, or a grappler cutting the wire armoring.
Limits the suspects, right?
The building of the North Stream pipes have provided the Russians with all they need of modern knowledge. Pre liberation they had an old undeclared cable StP Kaliningrad too, BTW. Lots of stuff down there.
Note that the navies now buzzing around know exactly what to look for today. But it will be interesting to see if they will impound the ship or not as collateral. 50/50 that they will chicken out.
Anything I have told you is not only open, but industry knowledge. The Gotland-Ventspils lay was even described as good practice at an industry conference decades ago.
You should be asking if the cut cables were buried at the cut or not...
@@anderscomstedt3064 that is what happened I am a Captain and there is no way you 6 Knots with a dragging anchor from your bow it would idamage the hull and the anchor winch
@@anderscomstedt3064 Funny seeing you here in the comments.. I used to work at BT. We bought quite a lot of service from you guys! 🙂
Thank you for sharing your expertise!
@@willemvanderKooij
.....but here the economic damage you achieve is substantially more material! Clearly a mendacious act intended to disrupt EU functions.
November 23, 1330 UTC: Picking data from Marine Traffic (cool site!), the "Yi Peng 3" is still anchored in the Danish economic zone but just outside Danish territorial waters. The Danish Navy has swapped the "guardian angel", it is now the "Hvidbjørnen", an inspection/coastguard ship. At least since yesterday the German coastguard / federal police ship "Bad Duben" has also been "hanging around".
Excellent that you made this in English, too!
Thank you so much for this. Tack! ❤
@@shar3066 Thank you for watching, tack själv 🫶
Great documentation of evidence!
@@peterebel7899 Thank you!
Very good, personally, the voice over is fine. Thank you.
Two can play this game? Where are Chinas, North Korea’s Russia’s, Iran’s Cables?
The cables are on the continent, bad for shipping.
@@peterebel7899 lol
Probably fake propaganda anyway
Carrier pidgeons?
Many cable breaks between China and Taiwan.
The Captain/crew cannot have been unaware that the anchor was dropped and dragging. The chain must have made a lot of noise along the side of the ship. I wonder how they keep the chain away from the rudder and propeller
@@ErlingJensen-g4c Exactly
Not only the noise. The ship consumes a lot more energy this way, and this should be evident from the engine running to high for this speed.
If you have revolutions for ten knots and the ship moves 6 knots..... not very likely they didn't notice...
The ship is way to long, and the speed way to low for the bow anchor chains to even touch the bottom of the hull.
If it was the aft anchors they are positioned to avoid any interference with rudder and propulsion.
They can. Its stormy weather. Its dry cargo ship (not the best of the best crew work there) . They would no go out and check. They are slow teaming ship. Honestly they could compare sog and log and figure it out, but they did not.
And there would not be noise the superstructure is aft, anchor is fwd (duh) if the chain is out there is no noise in the superstructure.
And no ship doesn't have an aft anchor.
Arrest the entire crew!
Agree 👍 👍
why?
@@zoki.to974 Proclamation of the Maritime Act. On board/entire crew is in the service of the ship,is obliged to compensate damages caused by negligence/acts of war at sea.
@@andersmller3000 first, you cannot arrest whole crew but those responsible for crimes you listed.
second, do we have precedent of same/similar or comparable act in the somewhat recent history?
did international community, maritime board/entity executed its laws on actors of such act?
@zoki.to974 YI Ping 3 has done Aggression when crossing, is proven.Any kind of act where the intention is to damage/destroy other things and to carry out such acts is punishable by imprisonment. Everyone crew on board the ship's service is liable to any Aggression.Danish/Swedish/EU-Waters Police Authority.
The ship waited at anchor outside port and possibly picked up a Russian Sabotage Submarine and sailed with it underneath, ais turned off for the deed and a drop in average knots. Subs under ships is an old old trick.
Very interesting, thank you for the detailed explanation.
@@daniel6438 Thank you for watching
Fairly compelling circumstantial evidence. Kiitos
Very, very interesting. Thanks! 👍
@@droops6840 Thanks for watching!
Big question is why the vessel has come to a halt in Kattegat .
That drop of speed can't be a coincident either given the locations of the cables !
Danish inspection
@@derek6579 No. The ship has anchored just outside danish territorial waters. So the danish navy/coast guard can't do an inspection.
And ?,if they also leak oil spills on purpose, will we turn a blind 👁 eye to?? they play hands up or pants down.with the rest of us.
The Chinese are very polite people, so if some Chinese embassy was asked "Can you please hold that ship back, we have an incident we would like to investigate, your ship may be involved", then the Chinese will hold back the ship, they will not allow anyone to go onboard to investigate up front, but they will hold back the ship.
This is in no way a Chinese acceptance of guilt, it is just to be polite and cooperative.
Then the ship must be rejected for further sailing,as is not seaworthy..and must either be towed into port.as this is deliberate sabotage, and be scrapped.
I know little of maritime law, but I always assumed that any state could detain AND BOARD any vessel within it's territorial waters when there is strong evidence of misdeeds by the crew like in this case. One would assume that at least the superior officers could be arrested and brought before a judge - and a vessel without officers is not going anywhere.
The clue word is "territorial waters", and it is the Swedes that want the ship/captain, but the ship is not in Sweden's territorial waters, and the incident, apparently, did not take place in Sweden's territorial waters, so they have no jurisdiction. Even if the incident did take place in Sweden's territorial waters, then they must be able to couple the ship directly to the incident and they can't, there is only circumstantial suspicion.
That Captain needs to be held accountable for all that damage, Russian sabotage!
Im pretty confident the Russians if they wished to sabotage those cables could have done it in a more subtle way then letting a Chinese ship drag its anchor for 400km across the Baltic..
I guess you belive the Russian blew up NordStream to lolololol
@@nukkinfuts6550 Sloppy work yes but hard to pin down as completely stupid error or Russian backed sabotage so why be subtle about it, but like how many ocean going ships wouldn't know they were losing half their speed due to dragging a huge anchor behind themselves?
@@nukkinfuts6550 Russians and subtility?? 🤔🤭😅😂🤣🤣
@@nukkinfuts6550There’s no wish from the Russians to be subtle. They want to send a message and wip up fear. That’s the point. Just shady enough to not get caught red handed, but obvious enough to send a message.
@@nukkinfuts6550 Russia were just doing peaceful exercises near the Ukraine border and accidentally crossed over
In hindsight I have to say that there have been several Chinese ships being more or less static for some time throughout the year around that first location. I was looking at the 'shadow fleet' for a tracking project I was playing with at that time and noticed it, but never actually thought about which cables are running there. Maybe someone with access to historic data can look back a few month, as that is definitely no coincidence.
The Russians are constantly disturbing GPS outside of Kaliningrad and that probably makes the ship AIS unable to send gps position in that part
This is just too diplomatic, a Chinese Boat, Drags its anchor across the worlds cables , causes millions of dollars in Damage.
The question is, how are they going to get the money from the Ships Insurance ?
When are the countries involved going to raise the liability insurance coverage for any boat
that happens to be over a cable when it breaks?
Its classic Russian warfare
and it needs to be responded to.
Cut the cables to Kaligrad for a starter
I presume investigators have timestamps for cables failure that may be linked to ship position.
The ship can "simulate" engine issues to disguise dragging the anchor.
The ship might have used something else to cut the cables, then drop it off to hide evidence, so absence of anchor chain scratches is not proof of innocence.
The ship course/speed is suspicious, but even if it's proven beyond doubt they cut the cables, the captain/crew are just executing orders. This feels like a rehearsal for future conflicts.
Makes sense. The cables dont seem to be very thick
Very good explanation. Thank you for posting. It is too easy to blame the Chinese or blame the russians. The Captain as you say is responsible. How the Engineers and Mates did not understand they were dragging anchor especially when the strain of the cable was taken up is difficult to understand.
It is easy to blame the Russian and Chinese leadership because this clearly was not accidental and they have a history of pulling stunts with the aim of disturbing european communications. Perhaps Sweden, Germany and afinland should borrow a page out of the russian playbook and expand territorial waters to be able to eliminate unwanted maritime activities on what is currently international waters
That would be the second recent incident of this nature. The notion that this was an 'accident' is now disproven. Impound the ship and scrap it, sell the cargo - apply the proceeds to help with reparations cost.
When we are looking forward. there should be a ban on Chinese commercial vessels captained or crewed by Russians. The Russian Navy has a unit created for this purpose. They have demonstrated that they are instruments in an act of an undeclared war.
Accept it and act accordingly.
@@dereksollows9783 Thank you, now I understand more about this incident. Is this what is being referred to as the "grey area" of shipping? The russian pilot said when he left the vessel "this is a normal ship with a fully Chinese crew" but then he would say that.
@@dereksollows9783 The Chinese will retaliate in the South China Sea. They will accuse someone of something and do what you describe. But I can’t see another strong way for Baltic countries to handle this reckless hybrid warfare
@@dereksollows9783 What about the so-called "Rule bases order", you know, we follow the laws and rules that exist and for an incident like this, well things take time to investigate, international court cases takes time too, if this will ever be settle it will take years.
The average citizen's, and politician's, need for immediate action is not something that is immediately possible with the existing laws and regulations.
That shoal and the vessel speed change are very damning. Also the coming to a complete stop? That should be interesting. What does fuel consumption and engine room logs of RPM tell us about the slow speed achieved? I think the skipper is snookered.
Fellow seafarer here 👏
IF it was an anchor dropped becouse of malfunction, poor seamanship and lack of anchor stoppers. It would probably freefall to the bottom cousing the weak point in the chainbox to snapp and break the anchorwinch. Like its intended to do in such events.
They would have lost the anchor or at the very least broken the anchorwinch.
They would have never been able to retrive it.
If it was lowered under controlled circumstances this would not have been an issue.
Therefore I belive that IF it was the anchor, it was done intentionally.
The Swedish Prime Minister, Ulf Kristersson, wants the Chinese cargo ship Yi Peng 3, which is currently lying idle in the Danish economic zone, to move towards Sweden.
- From the Swedish side, we have had contact with the vessel and China and stated that we would like it to move towards Swedish waters. Then we can better cooperate on what has happened, he said today.
The Chinese vessel, which is anchored in the middle of the Kattegat, is the focus of the investigation into suspected sabotage against two undersea cables in the Baltic Sea.
Denmark and several other countries are currently in intense negotiations with China to be allowed to examine the vessel.
A longer anchor chain (less depth) does normaly increase the drag (yes).
Thank you from New Zealand for the English version 👍 also a risk here in the Pacific because of our isolation.
So the cable going near Bergkvara/Kalmar to Lithuania actually is a HVDC cable with a fibre optic attached to it. Not only for telecommunications.
10 days earlier (7 November) Yi Peng 3 were supposedly acting strange at 3 other underwater cabels outside Sweden, Kungsbacka.
Great detective work, all makes sense now!!
Looks like the vessel is about to have an engine fire
Still I find it hard to believe it was a mistake. What do you guys think?
@TheQuallsing Doesn't seem like a mistake to us
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea Well, one thing is what you think it is, a very different thing is to take it to court and win. Some cases looks very clear cut from the get go, but in court they end up being lost due to many different things that was not taking into consideration because one was thinking "We got a clear a winner case".
We still miss info on how the cable was destroyed, was it cut? was it dragged and then snapped? If it was dragged, then in what direction?
It is very early to make bulletproof conclusions, just saying.
@@K2teknik. 👌👌👌👌
Can the ship owner made be accountable for the damage?
Very interesting. Thanks a lot. Hurray for Sweden
Sweden has to inform Beijing as this action must be in agreement with the Russians.
@@ChristianTramsen-p8h Hurra tillbaka till Sverige!
@@ChristianTramsen-p8h You mean, just like some of the submarines in Sweden's waters back in the good old days was actually NATO's as a clue to Sweden to join the club.
Unfortunately the delay by the ship / ship's owners will facilitate the disposal / alteration of evidence. This will include Sat Phone / mobile to Peter Jones's locker. Paper and computer records alteration which would require a computer specialist to be on board so it follows that they will take orders from what ever security team are on board hiding as part of the crew. Passports and or Seamans books may uncover which ones they are e.g. sequential numbered passporyts / seamans books unless they are spirited away into the drink. There could also be some intercepted communications which may or may not be used in any criminal court case. We also need to keep watching other areas (not taking our eye off the ball) e.g. West Coast of Ireland is full of cables.
Serius update about chinese sabotage ship Yi Peng 3 detained in Danish waters continued; It is now reported that Yi Peng 3 also performed an unusual maneuver northeast of Læsø on the morning of November 7 - that is, ten days before the cables in the Baltic Sea were damaged. So-called AIS data, which indicates the ship's position, shows that Yi Peng 3 passed over two power cables and a data cable at reduced speed off Læsø, after which the ship came to a complete stop approximately 850 meters after passing the cables.
14:26 - Why is there no damage on the paint, after the anchor supposedly plowed 400 km of Seaground?
The colour of this picture is slightly off which gives the impression that it is painted orange. But in 14:40 you see the true colour: "rusy steel" or in other words there is no paint on it.
How do you know about the paint ?
@@KalleStropp45 The ship, with special attention to the anchors, was photographed after the supposed "sabotage". You will find the photos on Google.
@@Rakscha-Sun 14:40 is a photo from a ship called "AVRA", as we can see.
@hokroeger as i understood, AVRA was the previous name of Ji Peng and has a straight anchor here. While the more actual first rusty anchor pic is curved with the new name "ji peng"
Umm, the length of that line would have to have been 500 feet at least for the deep part.. then trying to drag that with a normal ship anchor setup would destroy that anchor hole and any brakes holding it. Lets be real, if it was not some special long cable with a cutting plow, deployed from a special system inside the ship, this is mere speculation or a diversion to the real culprit.
This might be possible. The anchor also works because NewNew Polar Bear did the same a year ago. The anchor hole can handle it. (we have some damage experience with our ship)
One thing is sure , that insurance company has a hefty invoice to pay .
Serius update on chinese ship Yi Peng 3 grave sabotage of subsea cables i Baltic Sea and now also attempted sabotage of subsea cables in Danish waters on 7th November: Chinese ship suspected of sabotage mysteriously maneuvered over submarine cables off Læsø The cargo ship Yi Peng 3, now surrounded by Danish and German naval vessels in the Kattegat, braked just above three cables between Læsø and Sweden. A Chinese cargo ship, which was heading south in the Kattegat at full speed, suddenly slowed down.The propellers turned slower and slower until the 224-meter-long ship lay almost completely still, only moving at about one kilometer per hour.The ship lay like this for about five minutes, until the propellers were started up again and the vessel continued south through the Kattegat, the Øresund and the Baltic Sea. So far, the focus has been on two suspicious circumstances, where the Yi Peng 3 sailed over cables on the seabed off Gotland and south of Sweden, just as they broke.
So, could the Chinese boat dragging anchor last year over 15-20 nauticals may have been a rehearsal?
Great video, what a complete arsholes
The captain is a Russian officer.
Chinese have a history of damaging the cables that feed Taiwan.
Actually, unless the area specifies no anchoring on the charts, there's not a lot anyone can do about it.
If he dragged his anchor in order to damage the cables it should be easy to see and the scratches on bow.
The cables are very thin an the anker is made of pure steel. It is very difficult to physical damage steel even with stone (and the sea ground there could be mainly sand) . Indeed I would only expect changes in the rust coating - aka pretty minor.
If you dragging the anchor behind you your anchor chain wil make constant contact with the hull and you would see the scratches the chain had emulated going backwards If she is responsible I have hard to see that was done with her anchor. The steering would be extremely difficult,the forces on the anchor winch tremendous The cables are buried 1.5 meters deep in the seabed.you need a plow of a kind to gut the cables.
Can someone explain why the ancor looked like new after being dragged for 400km? Is this normal bc the ground is sandie?
@@dieterrosswag933 check this out: www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/moerklagt/noget-har-vredet-anker-skaevt-paa-sabotagemistaenkt-kinesisk-skib
The first picture is misleading, see the second one.
I checked the image. Theres no paint left at all. Even the opening for anchor is completely rusted all around. @@msSuukkoIIBalticSea
It`s a second time a Chine ship destroy a cable in that area the first one was between finland and estland and now close to sweden - gotland. It`s a sabotage plain and simple
Be aware of what you are bying, and try to avoid bying from china as much as possible, its not easy but i think we have to try as hard as we Can
Maybe the police/ military also should take a look at the location where the ship stopped if they got rid of evidence or clear out what the reason for the stop was.
The GPS cut out, just near Kaliningrad? What a coincidence
Maybe ask the captains from the Timca and Genca both Dutch ships i sailed on one of them. maybe they have seen something they were very close.
If we look at Marine Traffic's data then there is even more ships to but into question, if we take that into the equation that it could had been two different ships that cut the cables, wow then much more ships, speculations, speculations, and more speculations, James Bond and Johnny English are busy.
I believe RUclips supports Finnish to English translations by AI, you could study how it's enabled.
We also have a Finnish language channel. The speech-to-text function works there. It translates to English. ruclips.net/video/fB-vEp3wr-0/видео.htmlsi=js7Qi88HEmaOdzW9
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSeano, there is no auto translate enabled there either. At least not in the iOS app.
Well nothing new there it happened in two world wars! Why do people assume you can run items international waters and have no result in conflict. In the seventies I was on an accommodation platform that in a Force ten in the North Sea was drifting and pulled all anchors to avoid damaging oil pipelines. This form of degradation to lines and cables is even more available with remote vehicles and drones.
Great investigatjon. Enough to sue?
Can you make them pay and or keep the ship? Ban their shipping?
A RUclipsr's investigation, enough to sue? No not really, there must be some more authority body.
Nothing but speculation with no hard facts backing up the anchor claim.
And 2 notorious bad faith international actors
Bulkcarrier dropping anchor to a death oh 134m and still maintaining 7 kt speed. Seems farfetched. The windlass can not take such huge loads , without showing any damage.
They could have towed a cable cutting gear though.
Don't worry, the cables can be bought now at overinflated prices. Meanwhile it looks like you can buy satellite internet time from Germany and others like the US. Be sure when fixing the problem that you don't disturb the Russian gas lines since interfering with international commerce has repercussions.
Let the owners pay,ship will be on chains till we get the money
I have a brilliant idea. Owners of the ship lay down new cables on the sea bed or insurance company pays for the job done. Same quality, same length. So simple...
And where the brilliant legal legislation that attributes that your brilliant idea can be legally implemented?
Penal code 12 chapter subsection 2 low number 126 of 15vapril 1930 promulgation 1145. 16 years imprisonment for sabotage. The ship YI Ping 3. Danish legislation.
It would be interesting to see if the Chinese were nearby when the Russian pipelines were damaged.
Someone have probably paid the captain to do it. So that person/country is also responsible
No money for their kids and wives
And the crew will be arrested
I missed this kind of "investigations" and guessing when nord stream blew up....
While I agree this vessel is almost certainly the culprit you are making some pretty big assumptions and placing a lot of trust in the accuracy of AIS as reported by Marine Traffic. I think what you have here is a theory (a good one), you shouldn't be presenting it as fact, yet.
@marvindebot3264 Maybe it wasn't said clearly enough on this video, but yes - it's all about assumptions. We weren't there.
Its just neglagance. They did not secure the anchor properly
Can we listen to original Finnish voice somewhere? Finn here 😅
@@Tsiikki Toki. Suomalainen kanavamme: ruclips.net/video/fB-vEp3wr-0/видео.htmlsi=VAVthKhIEP3iSc6K
Is the ship still being held by Danish Navy?
@timmardon6161 The ship is still surrounded by navy/cost guard of Denmark, Sweden and Germany. She's not being hold, she stopped voluntarily while the authorities are having diplomatic negotiations with China.
Just hot air, none of this proves anything at all.
You are right. Everything is assumption. We were not there. :)
That’s spelled cables or cable…
@@johnfalkenstine8377 That's true. My mistake. (As I already wrote to another comment, English is my third language after Finnish and Swedish).
one cable was at 170m, dragging a 170m anchor chain along with a anchor is impossible, and the ship passed other cables that did not snap
@@mnp3713 How do we know they didn't snap? There are also old cables which are not in use anymore.
Yi Peng 3:s anchor chain is appr. 265m long.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea well why would they not tell us if more cabels was damaged. i might be wrong with the ship beeing abel to drag that kind of weight and resistance and only loosing a few knots i a rough head wind. but listening to whats going on with shipping i tend to agree with his points, but your observation are also interesting.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea a 265m long anchor chain will make the angle from the ship 40degrees dragging it at 170m. so if the ship has scratch marks on the hull around 40degrees then it has been dragging all og its 265m at 170 m of water
The anker is not specifically made to destroy cables. I am not sure either if especially older cables can "burry themseves" by sand that is disposed over them through sea currents.
Miten tästä saa tämän englannin kieliseen mussutuksen pois päältä?
ruclips.net/video/fB-vEp3wr-0/видео.html
@@MarkoReidaa Menemällä meidän suomenkieliselle kanavalle. Suukko II.
It doesn’t make sense to use the front anchor in a deliberate attempt to ruin cables. Could it be an accident
Know this. Know that. Found Evidence. It had to be intentional. Nailed it. But no shit come out from Nordstream pipeline. LOL!
And the 2 Nord Stream issues are well behind those levelling a pointer at Beijing❗🤔
AWWWW, this brouhaha from Western sympathisers is rib-tickling to say the least.😝
It pays to recall that there's always a boomerang effect no matter the interval 👍
Yes you dummys go caught .
Enjoy leaving Syria
@14:40, obviously they freshly painted to hide the damages !!
it's not paint, it's fresh rust. salt water rusts quickly.
Diffrent type of boat.
you are not explaining this very well, I am leaving
@@randallbruursema7553 ok
DEPTH!
Too deep to use the Anchor!
@1MrErling The anchor chain is +265 m long. Depth wouldn't be a problem as far as I know
Chuck Fina
This was done on purpose from the Russian captain, hold him and the shipping company responsible and pay for and block them in future use the Baltic see🤥🤥🤥
Hienoa salapoliisityötä! Nykyinen tulkkaus hieman missasi joitain alkuperäisen analyysin yksityiskohtia, vaikka paikoin karsikin pois turhaakin mistä pointsit. Päivän vinkki: Kokeilkaa ChatGPT kääntämään suomesta englanniksi. Se on parempi kääntäjä kuin DeepL. Whisper pystyisi muuntamaan suomenkielisen äänen suomenkieliseksi tekstiksi.
@@joonasmakinen4807 Kiitti vinkistä!
Having a womans voice for a man is weird 😢
Cool pres, and thrilling, I bet you read some good spy novels in your days! But you left out the obvious: that’s what the plot looks like when a ship has engine trouble: it’s slow, it stops moving repeatedly, the steering is off and it keeps changing its ETA.
And pieces of the engine drop out and break the cable?
@ Why would you use a ship that doesn’t even have an engine that works for a sabotage mission? That would make as little sense as using a recreational yacht when you deep sea dive to plant explosives on gas pipelines.
Wait a minute, you probably believe that they did that. Sorry, my bad.
Where's the proof ?! Remember: No Proof , No Arrests !
That was a whole lot of assumptions
Don't you know that anchors can release by itself, it has happened many times, especially in rough seas.
Don't you know that everyone on that ship will hear when the anchors releases?
The point please! Do I really need to stay tuned for 16 minutes?
YES
@@NicholasColdingDK There is many points.
Voice over is very poor.
It’s just fine
Your comment is very poor!
Don't you have other problems?
@tomhermens7698 It sure could be much better. English is my third language after Finnish and Swedish, so definitely a professional translator and a native speaker would be the best option.
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea folk ska alltid ha något att klaga på. Tröttsamt. 😒
@@msSuukkoIIBalticSea It was no problem understanding what you said, not poor at all.
HEY ALL ... LOOK AT THE YE PING ""AANKER"" THATS NO ANKER...
LOOK UP UNDERSEA CABEL REPAIR SHIP TOOLS .. THAT ANKER
IS A CABEL CUTTER... BUT IF YOU DONT .. KNOW HOW OR WHAT
AN ANKER LOOK LIKE .. WELL LOOK UP .. THERE VIDEO OF CABEL REPAIR SHIPS
THAT YPING ""ANKER"" IS A CABEL CUTTER
why to not drag an anchor for 2500kms around china aswell..
Just board it and ask later… same tactics of china and russia
It’s well known that China do this on behalf of Russia
It is well known that some crews on ships in this water had been that drunk that they had no clue about what they were doing, some had manage to get almost past Danish water but then they got stuck. Back in the good old days they were from all countries around that area, now we only hear about them when they are from Russia, wounder why ?
I THINK HIS TALLKING SHIT YOU CAN NOT DRAG AANCHOR THAT FAR THE SHIP WILL TURN A ROUND.THEY WOULD NO .