Hunter Avallone confronts MikeFromPA in a debate, drops receipt after receipt... Destiny reviews the debate and then interviews Hunter Avallone. Follow Hunter ►twitter.com/HunterAA6 and check out his content ►ruclips.net/user/hunteravallone
@1:42:30 idk man, in my city these older people were walking around in the hood doing open carry and my neighbors were Loving that shit lol There's videos on RUclips, it's pretty funny to see the reaction. I'll find a title and edit this Edit: "Open Carry - Police and Pedestrians in Grand Rapids, MI"
This video gave me a much better view on hunter (I wasn't familiar with him before). He is kinda based for nuking his channel because he doesn't agree with his old stuff and doesn't just play for optics.
It's actually the opposite though. He didn't nuke his old channel. He abused it. There is only so far that the average conservative channel can get on youtube or twitch before they are throttled. He simply changed his opinions to allow his channel to continue to grow. Him and Vaush are creepily similar when it comes to grifting.
@@Dizzifying1 Conservative youtubers are some of the most largest most heavily backed channels on this platform. You're talking as if Tim Pool or big shows like Ben Shapiros or Louder with Crowder or Charlie Kirks doesn't exist. Even midsized channels like the Ragaholic still peak at 100k views. They only get throttled by youtube when they start posting alt-right dogwhistle type shit, and then get nuked like Nick Fuentes. Also, can you make sense of the grifting thing for Vaush? Pretty sure he's been left leaning far longer than say Destiny, not that it matters or is proof of grifting.
@@miguelzavaleta1911 Not that Vaush changed opinions, but that vaush preaches principles he doesn't believe. Vaush has done a fantastic job marketing his image and monetizing it... yet he supposed to be against capitalism. He's a hyper capitalist. Hunter has done his best to become a carbon copy of vaush when it comes to stances and style... it's just creepy because it seems that neither of them mean the things they say.
@@Dizzifying1 bro did you see his views as a conservative,he got huge numbers . now cause he has changed his opinions his views have tanked and stopped growing .
is water truly wet? Something is wet if it has water, does water have itself? I mean, the space that water occupies is wet (it contains water) but is the water itself wet?
Water makes things wet. Doesn't really do that to itself. You add water to water and you have more water. So... does water wet? Does the sky usually look blue? Rhetorically these are sound questions.
1:30:21 Showing growth is why I love what Hunter is doing. He may be removing old videos, but with his self-debunks he's putting his personal growth in the most upfront way possible. Literally being like "Hey, look, check out how garbage my opinions used to be!"
That's...amazing. Something I believe most people wouldn't be capable of doing. As much as I love Vaush and Destiny they wouldn't have the bravery and reflexive thinking to do as Hunter is doing. For that I view Hunter with way more respect than I do Vaush and Destiny.
@@josiahclarke3535 calling people grifters unless you can pretty heavily substantiate (e.g. with someone like Milo yiannopoulos) is incredibly meaningless because you can't mind read even if they probably are
Sorry for being pedantic, I assume that you already know that but no, he didn't bring new meaning to the word ratio, its literally a common word in maths, its original meaning isnt for when someone gets more likes in a reply. I know its just a joke but I just hate that meaning so much fuck
@@brunolevilevi5054 I know "ratio" is a math term but what I wrote was "ratiod" - with a D, which as you said is based on the word ratio and used in the context of likes or whatever. I'm making the joke that [redacted] got "ratiod" in the smug divided by int department.
Oh my god it feels like every time I see Mike talk in a "debate" I remember how much I hate him all over again. It seems like it's just not worth engaging with him at all with how bad faith he is and his annoying tactics like cutting people off, constantly pivoting, lying through his teeth, etc.
Maybe they should start calling him Hunter Avalanche, because he buried Mike in receipts. I have also seen some of his recent videos where he debates Conservatives, and they almost always call him a grifter. This is obviously not a grift for him. If it were, he would have just stayed on the right where most grifters are.
@@TheJustice35 To be fair to me, I didn't say there were no left-wing grifters. I just said most are on the right. I also would personally take TYT off as being grifters. They seem pretty genuine.
God I love how Hunters eyes are just darting everywhere when hes disproving Mikes claims. He's got a tidal wave of info to dive into. He also handles himself very well considering Mikes flailing strategy. I'd assume having Mike swarm you with incorrect adhoms and posturing his fake "alpha" attitude would still be hard to deal with if you aren't ready for it.
Yep, he's all debate bro tactics and no substance and I'm impressed that Hunter stayed composed through out, I would've lost it and somewhat did. But I do, geniunely, feel bad for Mike. He's got deep rooted problems and he's not coping well at all. I know this because I myself struggle with self-esteem issues. Builiding up a monstrously sized ego and thus becoming half delusional - is the coping mechanism you have to use to "always be right". And if Mike is always right, then Mike always has value, thus he can never afford to lose since then he'd be worthless in his own eyes. So he uses slimy tactics that keep him afloat by giving him the impression that "he's still winning". Oddly specific? Check the fourth sentance. I think of this dude as the extreme version of who I used to be.
Mike thinks the time he had weed or something in his pocket and drove past a cop instead of turning onto the street the cop was on was "running from the cops." Or maybe when he was in first grade he threw a rock at a car and ran away, and then saw a cop a couple hours later assuming they were looking for him.
@@alamatrix488 lol honestly. I don't know why he pretends he grew up in the projects in Baltimore or some shit. I guess his whole "alpha" posturing really is compensating for his self esteem, otherwise he'd just be honest and own it. You get a lot more trust, respect, and charity in my book by just showing honesty and integrity. I'm so curious why he is the way he is, like is it a new persona fueled by internet sycophants or was he just always a cowardly stoat.
It's one of the big questions in life that what portion of Mike's audience is people with similar personality issues as him and relate to him and what portion is just people enjoying the shitshow.
Probably a mixture of both. I watch destiny for both reasons. He has some good takes and some really uneducated ones. (Suprise suprise, he's also human). His community however seems to be pretty mixed and often times cringe because it also attracts extremes of both sides. I love the shitshow on the comments and I absolutely adore the shitshow CTV is putting out!
I'm wondering the same. Serious Mike "fans" are probably more sad than Mike himself. He is such a weird character. I cannot fathom anybody watching this video thinking that Mike owned Gatherer Avallone
@@hanspeter2785 I watched through his channel a bit and looked at his commenting fanbase. Would I have not seen this video I probably would have tuned in to Mike. His titles and first impressions in videos are quite solid and lead someone unaware to believe that he knows what he is talking about. I can understand how he got an audience because he doesn't market himself on his channel like he did here with hunter. You see his cracks mostly when he goes into deep dive subjects and nuance. He is basically the rageaholic just in a left version.
Mike's strategy and thought process is literally "never admit I'm wrong so that if your opponent ever admits they're wrong it means they were wrong more than I was"
his mike takedown and conversation was also watched by dylan between this and his performance on the hippy dippy i hope his channel starts growing again he seems like an ok guy, the video deletes seem to be hurting his channel greatly
Yeah I was really impressed with Hunter's performance on the Hippie Dippy Panel. Especially since he's a guy who doesn't have a huge history of debates. But I know he's been doing more, and he's definitely learning. I remember pretty recently he and Vaush did a tag team debate against Officer Tatum and...some other guy I can't remember. Vaush still did most of the talking, which is not surprising, since he's the more experienced of the two when it comes to debate, but Hunter pulled his weight for the team, to be sure.
Mike isn't on Hunter's level in the the game of banter. I enjoy when Hunter said _"I wouldn't want to meet you Mike because I don't want my couch punched."_
I didn't even really know about the previous Mike from PA dramas but watching this? He is probably one of the most infuriating human beings to talk to just ever. Literally trying to gaslight you into believing he's not saying the words he's currently saying, like this entire interaction isn't recorded
As a fellow human myself, I feel like calling him a human at this stage is purely insulting to humankind. This is something else entirely. Elder scrolls npc'ism at its finest point. Like listening to an AI thats been hard coded to follow a line of logic to a fault, regardless of the optics or outcome.
it just hit me im watching a twitch streamer react to a youtuber's reaction to a twitch streamer's reaction a youtuber's tweets reaction meta has evolved so hard
I'm replying to a comment reacting to a RUclips video of a twitch streamer reacting to a RUclipsr's reaction to a twitch streamer's reaction to a RUclipsr's tweet.
I love how Mike thinks Destiny is scared of him and beneath him when the reality is that Mike doesn’t react to Destiny’s takes or appearances anymore because he’s scared of Destiny finding out and asking him to hop in a call and talk 😂
He doesn't actually believe that; it's done purely to save face. If he bites the bullet on it it'll embarrass him and hurt his streaming career. Mike only really cares about his ego and his career at the end of the day; it's why he sucks up to more popular streamers so hard like Hassan. He did the same with destiny but stopped when he realized how hard he was losing the optics war.
The amount of harm you are doing, is unbelievable. As much as I enjoy your engagement with Mike and his antics, I am worried about all the couches that might get hurt. You're a monster!
When Mike claims he's not privileged because he grew up on military bases, he wants us to think that he lived in the sewers of syria, hiding from bombs and hunting rats for food.
Make note of the use of the term "traditional" when he mentioned the definition of social democrat. That's how the branch started. It came from a difference on the left of how you can go from capitalism to socialism and early social democrats were incrementalists and believed you have to ffirst fight for socdem reforms within capitalism and create conditions for transitioning to socialism. For example I'm a SocDem in a traditional sence. I want socdem reforms and hopefully in the future we'll have the opportunity to go further. However today the vast majority of socdems don't have a very long term goal to end capitalism. They just want to reform it and Mike's a piece of shit for mixing those meanings. And there is such a thing as libsoc but the label is far more useful in a country like Poland where our standard liberal parties are conservative AF, support the Church, deny equal rights for same sex couples etc. SocLibs are more progressive on social issues but can stan for the free market, love a flat tax rate etc. All of this however is a stupid academic level distinction and it's obvious that Mike is just obfuscating haaaaaard.
Vaush does honestly great analysis over which people he can turn to his side and which that are a loss cause. He's thinking and acting strategically in a way politically I think Destiny for the most part doesn't bother with.
@@TheAnimaAnimal Because Destiny doesn't have the interpersonal skills imo, he cares more about the messages and moral and intellectual consistency, which I like mote tbh. Vaush has the interpersonal skills but lacks (when compared to destiny) in the other departments. They are both good in their own right.
Why do we keep giving attention to MikeFromPA? That is clearly all he wants, the man literally exists for external validation. Stop giving it to him please.
Well, Mike from PA is at least entertaining to watch. But more importantly, as a popular online political personality, he makes the the left look like a bunch of reactionary weaselly lying moronic punk a$$ beta bitch grifters. This def doesn’t help our cause & can keep potential lefties or individuals who might otherwise agree with some of our positions away. Also, it would be great if at least some of his online followers saw sh^t like this & jumped ship, choosing, idk, ANY OTHER LEFTY to follow. That way they’ll actually be able to learn a thing or 2 & hopefully end up on the right side of issues. #SaveMike’sSubs
I don’t see how it’s good for trans people to make sure anyone who changes their mind on trans people is permanently labeled as a bigot for past opinions Isn’t it better for that community that people be rewarded for changing
I think the claim that mike was making was that he hadnt changed his opinion, and that he was just grifting to boost his carreer. But that kinda fell apart when Hunter showed him that the video he thought was anti trans was actually pro trans and that the speech Mike claimed had transphobic coments in it was actually about how right wing people aren't being deplatformed.
@@Christopher-ct1dw yea I’m realizing that going through the video I do think Mike plays into that call out cancel culture thing pretty often though The general attitude of trying to tear people down because of their past opinions just seems to imply a different motive It seems like this cancerous part of the left treats marginalized groups as interchangeable sources of clout and a false sense of self importance
1:20:20 I just realised Mike keeps asking him for an exact date because that's exactly what he did in his mid-twenties because he personally has no (or few) convictions.
Hunter: "I have been revising my own views because of the person I have grown into," "You flipped your political leaning to try and beat the guy who beat your mom in an election." "We are not the same."
As someone who is a military brat and lived on a military base for 2 years, while living off base for the rest of my life, I can absolutely account for housing on military bases being pretty dang good. I lived on a base where the majority of the servicemembers stationed there were not high of a rank at all (pretty low on the pay grade), even the lower-income or lower-rank housing was pretty decent. I'm privileged enough to have one of my parents be rather high rank in the Air Force (above 0-3, but I'm trying to be vague to preserve some sense of privacy for my family), we were able to get a pretty damn nice house on base in a higher-rank neighborhood. Like I'm talking "down the street there's a 3 star general" neighborhood. This was only my first experience living on a base too, before then I had only ever lived off base in pretty nice middle-class suburbs, and we were given some portion of money for housing by the Air Force so that we wouldn't have to pay full price to rent a house. So unless Mike's military parent/sponsor was like an E-5 or under (or the equivalent of an Air Force Staff Sergeant or below), he'd have a pretty cushy life for himself with a decent sized house on base or he'd have a decent-sized housing check for housing off base.
Been seeing Hunter a lot in Destiny’s circles and I’ve gained huge respect for him after his video. He seems genuinely sincere in his beliefs and he’s super blunt and honest about where he’s came from.
Hunter: states mikes literal actual position Mike: why are you strawmaning me Hunter: I’m not you told me to take down all my old videos which I’ve largely done (key word is largely) Mike: *instant strawman* “OH SO YOU ARE SAYING YOU AGREE WITH ALL OF YOUR OLD VIDOES”
This guy is the definition of bad faith debate tactics. The ONLY thing he cares about is getting his 'gotcha'. Then when the conversation isn't going his way, he tries to shift the topic every time, like clockwork.
Oh man, my respect for Hunter just shot through the roof. This dude knows exactly who [redacted] is, to the point that he's ready for every single pivot and lie with links and everything lmao
Mike has been one of the most consistent content for Destiny going through the lefty arc it's surprising Mike still has his audience. Going back through a lot of the analysis & predictions they both made regarding the democratic primaries/presidential election it's amazing how Mike can still be so smug and arrogant with acting like he's above most others while being proven wrong every time. Can't wait for 2022 & 2024 elections because it's obvious Mike can't back down from this persona he's made of acting "Alpha" that you know the memes will never end.
It's because for a lot of people, the tactics he employs work. Long as you non stop talk over somebody else and you define and control the conversation, and you shout them down while putting words into their mouth, and the other person doesn't have the capacity (whether through evidence or being that kind of confrontational person) to stop you, *you can dictate reality*. Nobody goes and fact checks anything.
I feel like someone should have a debate with Mike, but not actually make any points and just constantly talk over him because it seems that is the only strategy that Mike knows how to employ. Might be funny.
I’m a leftist, and MikefromPA definitely reminds me that I’m a leftist because of the issues and not the people. I don’t know where that smugness comes from. It reminds me of the new atheist movement where simply not believing in god made people think they were geniuses
Also, yes, you don’t fuck around with MP’s. I’ve ran from cops, like half the kids I know have done it, it’s not some crazy thing, but if you find your way into a military base (I used to drive through an Air force base 4 times a week), they are given much more leeway on how to deal with you than your standard cop. No probable cause needed to search your vehicle, and yes, the fact that it’s a base means they consider rule breakers a threat rather than a nuisance. There’s no way Mike ran from MP’s because they 100% would’ve found him if he lived on base
1:05:25 Every poll I've seen has pointed toward M4A majority support among Americans. The KFF graph shows 53/43 in favor of M4A so I don't see how that helps his point? The Gallup poll has very suspect wording which is very important in these types of polls because support for something named Universal health coverage can poll way better than Single-payer. In this poll it says "Government run healthcare" which is very different than "Government run insurance". I'd be curious to watch the video this discussion came from.
Literally everyone in the military gets a stipend to live off base, more depending on local cost of housing, dependents and rank. Only low rank unmarried enlisted personnel are forced to live on base (and therefore the military gets ur stipend). The BAH (basic allowance for housing) is usually enough for a nice suburban house, especially any officer / high ranking nco with dependents.
I wish sometimes people who debate online could get through at least 1 conversation without doing the big, performative, scooby doo "WHAAAAAAAT" not even saying any particular person here, loads of them do it and it makes me take thier points less seriously.
Mike might be the single most unlikable person I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing. Its so hard to remember he's a human being and not just hate him to his core. Is there anything redeeming about him? Anything at all? I'm uncomfortable with how much I hate him and I'd like to dull that edge somehow
I saw this debate already. I wrote that Mike physically repulsed me. I was not being hyperbolic. He makes me want a shower just about more than Peterson does and the mere sight of that slimy hair gel grinch creature is pretty triggering.
@@ChickenJoe12 um no that's the trend for a lot of content creators, even if they have a lot of subs they almost always do not have the same number of views, likes or etc that correspond to their sub audience.
nothing is more satisfying than watching Mike say some dumb grifter shit, then watching Hunter providing the primary sources proving his grift within 4 seconds
2:04:30 Destiny is spot on, I was military for 10 years and its true, bases are basically small cities, especially stateside. I've been to a few that have huge gym setups that are two stories high with indoor tracks, entertainment such as movie theaters and bars, pools, basketball (indoor and out), baseball fields, the list goes on. All bases have a mini mall which is comparable to a large Walmart and yes, everything is tax free on base. He's also right about off-base housing, you get additional pay to live off base, in retrospect, if you live on base food in the dinning hall is free 24/7. Obviously security is not an issue on base either so there is literally no worry about safety or crime. I would go as far to say that it's a privilege to live on base because it's so convenient. 2:08:00 Running from MP's on base? Highly doubtful and another fairy tale from Mike. If he did do something that warranted a chase, it would put the entire base on alert and his parent who is stationed there would most likely face a discharge. Further, the MP's would hand him off to civilian cops to get booked so he would likely face a multitude of charges. I've never heard of an instance of this happening anywhere I was stationed so correct me if I'm wrong.
14:53 "Obviously optics aren't everything and I agree that you should not compromise your values for the sake of optics...." -Hunter Avallone Holy Hypocritical Liberal Batman! You are the same guy you just did a 180 on a dime without a introspection period....
@@happymolecule8894 destiny is gonna say something horrible again and get banned from twitch and blame this on hunter and his family as to imply conspiracy.
As someone who is a military brat, we are VERY privileged and most of us are sheltered. And Mikes background in the AIR FORCE? They have some of the nicest bases.
I have never understood people burning the flag and I think thats "cringe" but if u want to do that do it and I agree with the kid its a meaningless gesture. I also agree on open carry I dont think its cringe exactly but from a tactical and defensive perspective its seems counterintuitive.
He is, but all the evidence shows he's in it for the paycheck and practically a grifter. Plus his complete lack of self-awareness means he never takes a step back to look at the big picture and introspect when he embarrasses himself, since he never thinks he embarrasses himself.
Hunter Avallone confronts MikeFromPA in a debate, drops receipt after receipt...
Destiny reviews the debate and then interviews Hunter Avallone.
Follow Hunter ►twitter.com/HunterAA6 and check out his content ►ruclips.net/user/hunteravallone
I’m here to confront you Destiny.
[redacted] really is the absolute fucking worst....
@@TariqNasheed117 cringe fake account
@1:42:30 idk man, in my city these older people were walking around in the hood doing open carry and my neighbors were Loving that shit lol
There's videos on RUclips, it's pretty funny to see the reaction. I'll find a title and edit this
Edit: "Open Carry - Police and Pedestrians in Grand Rapids, MI"
Mike is a tool!
"Pay no attention to MikefromPA. We purposely trained him wrong.. as a joke."
Enter the fist
If you've got an ass, I'll kick it!
THAT'S ALOT OF NUTS!!!
"Ha! Face to foot style, how do you like it?
I am bleeding. Making me the victor.
Hunter should be literally arrested for this brutally violent assault on
Bro, why you gotta doxx ? smh
@@snowingdragons585 at least he didn't tell us that he lives in .
@Kenura Medagedara did you know 's mom used to run for in ?
@Kenura Medagedara Actually, lied about being a . He never passed the .
Are we turning fucking into an SCP file? Might give some "relevance"
Mike is like the debate training dummy where you can just get free hits in the whole time but he never goes down or changes
Such a fitting metaphor for redacted.
@@theonlyonewithgum1452 Hey, that's doxxing
Perfect description of Mike lol
W analogy
I also play Kenshi! :]
This video gave me a much better view on hunter (I wasn't familiar with him before). He is kinda based for nuking his channel because he doesn't agree with his old stuff and doesn't just play for optics.
It's actually the opposite though. He didn't nuke his old channel. He abused it. There is only so far that the average conservative channel can get on youtube or twitch before they are throttled. He simply changed his opinions to allow his channel to continue to grow. Him and Vaush are creepily similar when it comes to grifting.
@@Dizzifying1 Conservative youtubers are some of the most largest most heavily backed channels on this platform. You're talking as if Tim Pool or big shows like Ben Shapiros or Louder with Crowder or Charlie Kirks doesn't exist. Even midsized channels like the Ragaholic still peak at 100k views. They only get throttled by youtube when they start posting alt-right dogwhistle type shit, and then get nuked like Nick Fuentes. Also, can you make sense of the grifting thing for Vaush? Pretty sure he's been left leaning far longer than say Destiny, not that it matters or is proof of grifting.
@@Dizzifying1 I don't buy it, but I'm also not super familiar -- what opinions did Vaush change to "grift better"?
@@miguelzavaleta1911 Not that Vaush changed opinions, but that vaush preaches principles he doesn't believe. Vaush has done a fantastic job marketing his image and monetizing it... yet he supposed to be against capitalism. He's a hyper capitalist.
Hunter has done his best to become a carbon copy of vaush when it comes to stances and style... it's just creepy because it seems that neither of them mean the things they say.
@@Dizzifying1 bro did you see his views as a conservative,he got huge numbers . now cause he has changed his opinions his views have tanked and stopped growing .
Every time Mike says WHAAAAAAAT?! you know you caught him lol he's such a bad actor.
WHAAAAAAAT :o
you can see the face he’s making even when his camera is off
I believe the correct phrase is "OOOHHWHAAAAAT?!!!!"
“Mike embarrasses himself.”
And water is wet and the sky is blue.
is water truly wet? Something is wet if it has water, does water have itself? I mean, the space that water occupies is wet (it contains water) but is the water itself wet?
@@jcavs9847 Wetness isn't a quality exclusive to water.
@@jcavs9847
Does water have water? I mean the answer sounds like basic tautology to me
@@jloiben12 so youre saying that all things 'have' (a reletion of possession) themselves?
Water makes things wet. Doesn't really do that to itself. You add water to water and you have more water.
So... does water wet? Does the sky usually look blue? Rhetorically these are sound questions.
1:30:21
Showing growth is why I love what Hunter is doing. He may be removing old videos, but with his self-debunks he's putting his personal growth in the most upfront way possible. Literally being like "Hey, look, check out how garbage my opinions used to be!"
sad to see he's taken a huge blow in popularity but proud of him for it. gonna go watch some of his 'Hunter debunks Hunter' vids after this!
That's...amazing. Something I believe most people wouldn't be capable of doing. As much as I love Vaush and Destiny they wouldn't have the bravery and reflexive thinking to do as Hunter is doing. For that I view Hunter with way more respect than I do Vaush and Destiny.
@@TheAnimaAnimal I don't see how you can respect anything about Vaush other than his ability to run the grift.
@@josiahclarke3535 calling people grifters unless you can pretty heavily substantiate (e.g. with someone like Milo yiannopoulos) is incredibly meaningless because you can't mind read even if they probably are
@@felentelechy You're right but I'll say it anyways.
"...has the highest ratio of smugness to intelligence."
[Redacted] from [Redacted] brining new meaning to the term "ratiod".
Sorry for being pedantic, I assume that you already know that but no, he didn't bring new meaning to the word ratio, its literally a common word in maths, its original meaning isnt for when someone gets more likes in a reply. I know its just a joke but I just hate that meaning so much fuck
@@brunolevilevi5054 I know "ratio" is a math term but what I wrote was "ratiod" - with a D, which as you said is based on the word ratio and used in the context of likes or whatever. I'm making the joke that [redacted] got "ratiod" in the smug divided by int department.
"brining"
wtf
"I'm afraid of having you over at my house because you might punch my couches."
BRAH.
RUclips doesn't allow me to use the words needed to describe my feeling towards Mike.
I honestly feel bad for the guy. Even the far left doesn’t like him. He’s just so dumb and annoying.
@@jeremias-serus that's the real unity we have going. The far left, far right, the moderates and even apolitical zoomers hate this guy.
@@nikcantsnipe true lol
Same, my comment was automatically removed because I called him a weaselly p o s.
Well said
Oh my god it feels like every time I see Mike talk in a "debate" I remember how much I hate him all over again. It seems like it's just not worth engaging with him at all with how bad faith he is and his annoying tactics like cutting people off, constantly pivoting, lying through his teeth, etc.
It's not worth it if you want a honest discussion but it's good content since he is such a disgusting person, always some good memes arise from it
At least mike from PA now doesn't have the time to call Sam Seder now.
@@Grassroots_Hegemon vaush does a lot of good. He pulls quite a few lefties out of imagination land and grounds them to an extent
@@JohnSmith-yd5wq woah dude you just doxxed Mike from [Redacted]
It's literally impossible for a right winger to let someone they're speaking to finish, because they know who's correct and who's a grifter
Maybe they should start calling him Hunter Avalanche, because he buried Mike in receipts. I have also seen some of his recent videos where he debates Conservatives, and they almost always call him a grifter. This is obviously not a grift for him. If it were, he would have just stayed on the right where most grifters are.
hunter alpha male
mike bayer? more like mike bETA
Clearly a grift, I mean who changes their opinion rapidly upon finding new information. Cringe.
Yes the Grifters are on the Right.....(looks at Demonmomma, Vaush. Hasan, TYT, [REDACTED from REDACTED], BadBunny) yep, all on the right
@@TheJustice35 To be fair to me, I didn't say there were no left-wing grifters. I just said most are on the right. I also would personally take TYT off as being grifters. They seem pretty genuine.
God I love how Hunters eyes are just darting everywhere when hes disproving Mikes claims. He's got a tidal wave of info to dive into. He also handles himself very well considering Mikes flailing strategy. I'd assume having Mike swarm you with incorrect adhoms and posturing his fake "alpha" attitude would still be hard to deal with if you aren't ready for it.
Yep, he's all debate bro tactics and no substance and I'm impressed that Hunter stayed composed through out, I would've lost it and somewhat did.
But I do, geniunely, feel bad for Mike. He's got deep rooted problems and he's not coping well at all.
I know this because I myself struggle with self-esteem issues. Builiding up a monstrously sized ego and thus becoming half delusional - is the coping mechanism you have to use to "always be right". And if Mike is always right, then Mike always has value, thus he can never afford to lose since then he'd be worthless in his own eyes. So he uses slimy tactics that keep him afloat by giving him the impression that "he's still winning". Oddly specific? Check the fourth sentance. I think of this dude as the extreme version of who I used to be.
It really seems like Mike thinks confidence is what makes one correct.
Mike thinks the time he had weed or something in his pocket and drove past a cop instead of turning onto the street the cop was on was "running from the cops." Or maybe when he was in first grade he threw a rock at a car and ran away, and then saw a cop a couple hours later assuming they were looking for him.
It’s even funnier when the information about his mom being a state representative shows just how privileged he is
@@alamatrix488 lol honestly. I don't know why he pretends he grew up in the projects in Baltimore or some shit. I guess his whole "alpha" posturing really is compensating for his self esteem, otherwise he'd just be honest and own it. You get a lot more trust, respect, and charity in my book by just showing honesty and integrity. I'm so curious why he is the way he is, like is it a new persona fueled by internet sycophants or was he just always a cowardly stoat.
It's one of the big questions in life that what portion of Mike's audience is people with similar personality issues as him and relate to him and what portion is just people enjoying the shitshow.
Probably a mixture of both. I watch destiny for both reasons. He has some good takes and some really uneducated ones. (Suprise suprise, he's also human).
His community however seems to be pretty mixed and often times cringe because it also attracts extremes of both sides.
I love the shitshow on the comments and I absolutely adore the shitshow CTV is putting out!
I'm wondering the same. Serious Mike "fans" are probably more sad than Mike himself. He is such a weird character. I cannot fathom anybody watching this video thinking that Mike owned Gatherer Avallone
@@hanspeter2785 I watched through his channel a bit and looked at his commenting fanbase.
Would I have not seen this video I probably would have tuned in to Mike.
His titles and first impressions in videos are quite solid and lead someone unaware to believe that he knows what he is talking about.
I can understand how he got an audience because he doesn't market himself on his channel like he did here with hunter.
You see his cracks mostly when he goes into deep dive subjects and nuance.
He is basically the rageaholic just in a left version.
@@PuddingXXL This is kinda the scary part of prepared/not live content. It's ALWAYS your best foot forward so you don't really know the person.
Mike's strategy and thought process is literally "never admit I'm wrong so that if your opponent ever admits they're wrong it means they were wrong more than I was"
His mother was a politician, right! I guess that's where he gets it from.
his mike takedown and conversation was also watched by dylan
between this and his performance on the hippy dippy i hope his channel starts growing again
he seems like an ok guy, the video deletes seem to be hurting his channel greatly
He’s a windsock.
And personally I hope it acts as a nail in Mike's coffin
Yeah I was really impressed with Hunter's performance on the Hippie Dippy Panel. Especially since he's a guy who doesn't have a huge history of debates. But I know he's been doing more, and he's definitely learning. I remember pretty recently he and Vaush did a tag team debate against Officer Tatum and...some other guy I can't remember. Vaush still did most of the talking, which is not surprising, since he's the more experienced of the two when it comes to debate, but Hunter pulled his weight for the team, to be sure.
LMFAO when Hunter started demeaning Mike with his past "WHATS A TIFF?!" temper tantrum I lost it 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mike isn't on Hunter's level in the the game of banter. I enjoy when Hunter said _"I wouldn't want to meet you Mike because I don't want my couch punched."_
Lol Destiny,"aren't they just standard conservatives",they are basically Hitler in mike's eyes.
Everyone who's not a communist is basically Hitler in Mike's eyes.
@@user-uq4gr5nl5o Knowing Mike, he'd find excuses to denounce even them.
Look at what/who conservatives are actually simpathetic to...
@@basedneeble7350 Normal people rather than the government? Yea
@@basedneeble7350 tf are you talking about?
“Mike from PA embarrasses himself” ah same old same old
Mike from PA opens his mouth...
Water is wet.
FALCOOOOOON PUNCH
@@danoco6385 wow
what does a mike frompa fan look like
I didn't even really know about the previous Mike from PA dramas but watching this? He is probably one of the most infuriating human beings to talk to just ever. Literally trying to gaslight you into believing he's not saying the words he's currently saying, like this entire interaction isn't recorded
You should hear him when he called Sam Seder
As a fellow human myself, I feel like calling him a human at this stage is purely insulting to humankind. This is something else entirely. Elder scrolls npc'ism at its finest point. Like listening to an AI thats been hard coded to follow a line of logic to a fault, regardless of the optics or outcome.
Honestly when does Mike NOT embarrass himself? I’d be surprised more if he didn’t
it just hit me im watching a twitch streamer react to a youtuber's reaction to a twitch streamer's reaction a youtuber's tweets reaction meta has evolved so hard
The layout is just like a forum conversation, but here there is a visual element and a lot more context to the individual behind the statement
@@performercondition1461 I like how u think
The muscular class
I'm replying to a comment reacting to a RUclips video of a twitch streamer reacting to a RUclipsr's reaction to a twitch streamer's reaction to a RUclipsr's tweet.
Imagine the most honest guy online calling you a "f**king loser". That's gotta hurt
Cringe is my addiction, MikeFromPA is my drug
oh shit did I just dox him
Its [REDACTED] from [REDACTED] now.
You need rehab...
I love how Mike thinks Destiny is scared of him and beneath him when the reality is that Mike doesn’t react to Destiny’s takes or appearances anymore because he’s scared of Destiny finding out and asking him to hop in a call and talk 😂
He doesn't actually believe that; it's done purely to save face. If he bites the bullet on it it'll embarrass him and hurt his streaming career. Mike only really cares about his ego and his career at the end of the day; it's why he sucks up to more popular streamers so hard like Hassan. He did the same with destiny but stopped when he realized how hard he was losing the optics war.
I don't know how you can behave the way Mike does and not have a voice in your head screaming at you to stop.
He murdered that voice long ago. He is just an ego with no limiters or boundaries it won’t cross.
@@Marqrk his ascension is almost complete
The voice got replaced by the chat
The amount of harm you are doing, is unbelievable. As much as I enjoy your engagement with Mike and his antics, I am worried about all the couches that might get hurt. You're a monster!
I thought I was gona get hit by some deep take for the second half haha
@@electronicexposure hit by
Mike became white noise to me pretty quickly, it was cool to see Hunter genuinely seems to have a lot of integrity though, good for him.
Never watched hunter himself, but from what I've seen of him from Destiny's end, I like how he speaks.
When Mike claims he's not privileged because he grew up on military bases, he wants us to think that he lived in the sewers of syria, hiding from bombs and hunting rats for food.
truly a scary existence, having to hunt yourself for food
@@nikkovalidor4890 Holy shit :::D
Make note of the use of the term "traditional" when he mentioned the definition of social democrat. That's how the branch started. It came from a difference on the left of how you can go from capitalism to socialism and early social democrats were incrementalists and believed you have to ffirst fight for socdem reforms within capitalism and create conditions for transitioning to socialism. For example I'm a SocDem in a traditional sence. I want socdem reforms and hopefully in the future we'll have the opportunity to go further. However today the vast majority of socdems don't have a very long term goal to end capitalism. They just want to reform it and Mike's a piece of shit for mixing those meanings.
And there is such a thing as libsoc but the label is far more useful in a country like Poland where our standard liberal parties are conservative AF, support the Church, deny equal rights for same sex couples etc. SocLibs are more progressive on social issues but can stan for the free market, love a flat tax rate etc. All of this however is a stupid academic level distinction and it's obvious that Mike is just obfuscating haaaaaard.
Hunter has completely intellectually outpaced Mike
I've only been watching destiny content for a week or 2 and I'm already tired of seeing this same joke over and over
@@ma99954 seethe
@@ma99954 it came from vaush
honestly turning Hunter to the left is one of the best things that Vaush ever did
Vaush does honestly great analysis over which people he can turn to his side and which that are a loss cause. He's thinking and acting strategically in a way politically I think Destiny for the most part doesn't bother with.
@@TheAnimaAnimal Because Destiny doesn't have the interpersonal skills imo, he cares more about the messages and moral and intellectual consistency, which I like mote tbh. Vaush has the interpersonal skills but lacks (when compared to destiny) in the other departments. They are both good in their own right.
Bro editor is polishing his work even more damn
I disagree with a lot of atrocious things but I'd make an exception and allow them if applied to Mike from Redacted
Did you just dox Redacted from Redacted?
@@SimonH109 No, to do that I'd have to tell you he's actually from hell.
"I'm just... I'm getting your attention"
*PUNCHES COUCH* 🤜 🛋
Why do we keep giving attention to MikeFromPA? That is clearly all he wants, the man literally exists for external validation. Stop giving it to him please.
You're right... But also, it's super funny watching him make a fool of himself, i can't get enough
This is far from validation though, and I doubt anyone watching these will feel compelled to follow him so it's not platforming either
Trashfires are good entertainment.
Well, Mike from PA is at least entertaining to watch. But more importantly, as a popular online political personality, he makes the the left look like a bunch of reactionary weaselly lying moronic punk a$$ beta bitch grifters. This def doesn’t help our cause & can keep potential lefties or individuals who might otherwise agree with some of our positions away. Also, it would be great if at least some of his online followers saw sh^t like this & jumped ship, choosing, idk, ANY OTHER LEFTY to follow. That way they’ll actually be able to learn a thing or 2 & hopefully end up on the right side of issues. #SaveMike’sSubs
@@jimboblordofeskimos except for when the carcinogenic gasses give you cancer
Who wants to see Mike from PA debate Jack Allison? Think of the memes.
That would literally destroy the planet you madman
Wouldn't that just be a libs bad circlejerk or is there some jack Allison x redacted mike lore?
Either they'd fall in love or cause a nuclear meltdown
“This isn’t years and years and years ago, this was 2 years ago!”
This checks out, 3 > 2.
The Stein's Gate context clip is the exact type of editing that we need! AYAYA
Made me want to watch it again. lol
I don’t see how it’s good for trans people to make sure anyone who changes their mind on trans people is permanently labeled as a bigot for past opinions
Isn’t it better for that community that people be rewarded for changing
Absolutely! And for the most part that's the case but there are extremely loud, terminally online types who have reeeaaallly lost the plot.
But how else can you posture for brownie points?
I think the claim that mike was making was that he hadnt changed his opinion, and that he was just grifting to boost his carreer. But that kinda fell apart when Hunter showed him that the video he thought was anti trans was actually pro trans and that the speech Mike claimed had transphobic coments in it was actually about how right wing people aren't being deplatformed.
@@Christopher-ct1dw yea I’m realizing that going through the video
I do think Mike plays into that call out cancel culture thing pretty often though
The general attitude of trying to tear people down because of their past opinions just seems to imply a different motive
It seems like this cancerous part of the left treats marginalized groups as interchangeable sources of clout and a false sense of self importance
This man has to have been created in some sort of CIA lab, it's like he's trying to be wrong on everything he says.
Burning American Flag is Cringe
Open Carry Is Cringe
Why is burning a piece of cloth cringe?
@@vallewabbel9690 Because it's cringe
Open carry is based asf
Open carrying an ar for no reason is cringe.
Open carrying a pistol on your hip is not.
@@lunar2328 both are equally stupid let's be honest, concealed carry much better.
i’m not sure mike is capable of feeling embarrassment at this point. it must just feel like breathing.
He doesn't seem to have any sense of self-awareness so no.
1:20:20 I just realised Mike keeps asking him for an exact date because that's exactly what he did in his mid-twenties because he personally has no (or few) convictions.
I actually think that Hunter did a better job exposing Michael than Destiny ever has.
I love watching man in a box talk about man in box talking about man in box
Men
i love reading comments from people watching man in box talk about mani a box talking about man in a box
“he’s like a little kid trapped at the bottom of a well that’s filling with his own piss”- Steven Bonnell
Hunter:
"I have been revising my own views because of the person I have grown into,"
"You flipped your political leaning to try and beat the guy who beat your mom in an election."
"We are not the same."
As someone who is a military brat and lived on a military base for 2 years, while living off base for the rest of my life, I can absolutely account for housing on military bases being pretty dang good. I lived on a base where the majority of the servicemembers stationed there were not high of a rank at all (pretty low on the pay grade), even the lower-income or lower-rank housing was pretty decent. I'm privileged enough to have one of my parents be rather high rank in the Air Force (above 0-3, but I'm trying to be vague to preserve some sense of privacy for my family), we were able to get a pretty damn nice house on base in a higher-rank neighborhood. Like I'm talking "down the street there's a 3 star general" neighborhood. This was only my first experience living on a base too, before then I had only ever lived off base in pretty nice middle-class suburbs, and we were given some portion of money for housing by the Air Force so that we wouldn't have to pay full price to rent a house. So unless Mike's military parent/sponsor was like an E-5 or under (or the equivalent of an Air Force Staff Sergeant or below), he'd have a pretty cushy life for himself with a decent sized house on base or he'd have a decent-sized housing check for housing off base.
never expected to get steins gate spoiled in a destiny video
it's literally the only anime he ever talks about
Isn't destiny an advocate for releasing spoilers?
MikefromPA with long hair looks like Tommy Wiseau from "The Room."
Meanwhile, [redacted] literally lied about being a lawyer when he ran for office.
Been seeing Hunter a lot in Destiny’s circles and I’ve gained huge respect for him after his video. He seems genuinely sincere in his beliefs and he’s super blunt and honest about where he’s came from.
Hunter: states mikes literal actual position
Mike: why are you strawmaning me
Hunter: I’m not you told me to take down all my old videos which I’ve largely done (key word is largely)
Mike: *instant strawman* “OH SO YOU ARE SAYING YOU AGREE WITH ALL OF YOUR OLD VIDOES”
This guy is the definition of bad faith debate tactics. The ONLY thing he cares about is getting his 'gotcha'. Then when the conversation isn't going his way, he tries to shift the topic every time, like clockwork.
Not even Charles Marks could save Mike from sinking this time
Carlito Markusoni would be rolling in his spaceship if only he knew what dumbfucks dare to cite him nowadays.
Oh man, my respect for Hunter just shot through the roof. This dude knows exactly who [redacted] is, to the point that he's ready for every single pivot and lie with links and everything lmao
How can anyone unironically be a fan of Mike? He’s the slimiest person in the debate arena.
They say there's a sucker born every minute, and the internet seems to concentrate suckers like a trash compactor.
Mike's strategy in discourse: If I never let him get a word in, he can't point out I'm wrong
Mike getting hung up on the "weaselly" while being a weasel the whole conversation is giving me brain rot
Mike has been one of the most consistent content for Destiny going through the lefty arc it's surprising Mike still has his audience.
Going back through a lot of the analysis & predictions they both made regarding the democratic primaries/presidential election it's amazing how Mike can still be so smug and arrogant with acting like he's above most others while being proven wrong every time.
Can't wait for 2022 & 2024 elections because it's obvious Mike can't back down from this persona he's made of acting "Alpha" that you know the memes will never end.
It's because for a lot of people, the tactics he employs work. Long as you non stop talk over somebody else and you define and control the conversation, and you shout them down while putting words into their mouth, and the other person doesn't have the capacity (whether through evidence or being that kind of confrontational person) to stop you, *you can dictate reality*. Nobody goes and fact checks anything.
This is a fucking trip. Hunter avalllone induced me to the right wing in middle school. Dentiny took me out of it
I swear whatever you're paying this editor they deserve every penny of it
Mike can’t even stand up to a women bullying him, there’s no way he’s ran from cops lol
Shout out to the editing, best thing to come out of the twitch ban was the investment in RUclips editor, big worth
We might think this owns Mike from PA, but we're all just falling into the palm of his hand. His humiliation kink is being fufilled like no other
The way Mike speaks to people, not just someone he’s having a debate with, but to anyone that disagrees with him; it’s cringe af.
Can’t wait for Lance to go after Hunter for “doxxing” Redacted
I think the phrase "the left eat their own" applies pretty well here XD
I feel like someone should have a debate with Mike, but not actually make any points and just constantly talk over him because it seems that is the only strategy that Mike knows how to employ. Might be funny.
I’m a leftist, and MikefromPA definitely reminds me that I’m a leftist because of the issues and not the people. I don’t know where that smugness comes from. It reminds me of the new atheist movement where simply not believing in god made people think they were geniuses
Also, yes, you don’t fuck around with MP’s. I’ve ran from cops, like half the kids I know have done it, it’s not some crazy thing, but if you find your way into a military base (I used to drive through an Air force base 4 times a week), they are given much more leeway on how to deal with you than your standard cop. No probable cause needed to search your vehicle, and yes, the fact that it’s a base means they consider rule breakers a threat rather than a nuisance. There’s no way Mike ran from MP’s because they 100% would’ve found him if he lived on base
"My mom is incredibly... suburban."
That pause was fucking palpable my guy.
1:05:25 Every poll I've seen has pointed toward M4A majority support among Americans. The KFF graph shows 53/43 in favor of M4A so I don't see how that helps his point?
The Gallup poll has very suspect wording which is very important in these types of polls because support for something named Universal health coverage can poll way better than Single-payer. In this poll it says "Government run healthcare" which is very different than "Government run insurance".
I'd be curious to watch the video this discussion came from.
Literally everyone in the military gets a stipend to live off base, more depending on local cost of housing, dependents and rank. Only low rank unmarried enlisted personnel are forced to live on base (and therefore the military gets ur stipend). The BAH (basic allowance for housing) is usually enough for a nice suburban house, especially any officer / high ranking nco with dependents.
this guy militarys
Don't forget about tricare and free education.
Mike is my favorite comic relief character in the series
I wish sometimes people who debate online could get through at least 1 conversation without doing the big, performative, scooby doo "WHAAAAAAAT" not even saying any particular person here, loads of them do it and it makes me take thier points less seriously.
MikefromPA is another excellent example of Tyson's famous quote about the internet & what it does to people
Mike might be the single most unlikable person I've ever had the misfortune of witnessing. Its so hard to remember he's a human being and not just hate him to his core. Is there anything redeeming about him? Anything at all? I'm uncomfortable with how much I hate him and I'd like to dull that edge somehow
Lol u good bro?
@@1999_reborn no X) no I am not
you gotta admit though, it's kinda fun hating on him and seeing how stupid he is lol
I saw this debate already. I wrote that Mike physically repulsed me. I was not being hyperbolic. He makes me want a shower just about more than Peterson does and the mere sight of that slimy hair gel grinch creature is pretty triggering.
I just don't understand who watches Mike from PA unironically, he's like an angry snail
Hot take: Cringe should be criminalised for people over the age of 27. Death penalty for those over 32.
Mike from "I think you should leave". Same energy
Mike has less than 10k subscribers while hunter still has over 500k
But the Hunter dude only gets 10k-15k views consistently on his videos.. Very good indication those subscribers are fake haha
@@ChickenJoe12 um no that's the trend for a lot of content creators, even if they have a lot of subs they almost always do not have the same number of views, likes or etc that correspond to their sub audience.
@@ChickenJoe12his channel is just dead, he used to be popular
Mike being so mean to that econ undergrad was one of the most pathetic things I have ever seen.
What video did that happen in?
That Mike clip of him calling Doc sexist. Was the first and last time I ever paid attention to that clown. 🤡🤡🤡
nothing is more satisfying than watching Mike say some dumb grifter shit, then watching Hunter providing the primary sources proving his grift within 4 seconds
To the point where I’m revisiting this vid, Satisfactory levels exceeded every time
2:04:30 Destiny is spot on, I was military for 10 years and its true, bases are basically small cities, especially stateside. I've been to a few that have huge gym setups that are two stories high with indoor tracks, entertainment such as movie theaters and bars, pools, basketball (indoor and out), baseball fields, the list goes on. All bases have a mini mall which is comparable to a large Walmart and yes, everything is tax free on base. He's also right about off-base housing, you get additional pay to live off base, in retrospect, if you live on base food in the dinning hall is free 24/7. Obviously security is not an issue on base either so there is literally no worry about safety or crime. I would go as far to say that it's a privilege to live on base because it's so convenient.
2:08:00 Running from MP's on base? Highly doubtful and another fairy tale from Mike. If he did do something that warranted a chase, it would put the entire base on alert and his parent who is stationed there would most likely face a discharge. Further, the MP's would hand him off to civilian cops to get booked so he would likely face a multitude of charges. I've never heard of an instance of this happening anywhere I was stationed so correct me if I'm wrong.
Yall remember those people that burned their Nike’s products bc they supported Colin Kaepernick. Thats was CRINGY AF. Kinda like burning a flag.
It’s 2021 and I’m watching a recording of a stream of a recording of a stream of a recording of a stream.
We need a Mike lore playlist
14:53 "Obviously optics aren't everything and I agree that you should not compromise your values for the sake of optics...." -Hunter Avallone
Holy Hypocritical Liberal Batman! You are the same guy you just did a 180 on a dime without a introspection period....
@@MrsNeedlemouse Hunter is coping?
@@traviswall1982 Yeah , hunter tries to cope every time he sees a mirror because he can only see a grifter
Seems like Destiny sticks up hard for this Hunter guy, it's kinda cute.
That and he really dislikes this Mike guy and sees through his bs and snake like tactics
@@ma99954 agreed, I think it's more that destiny knows how this feels lol
He seems like a genuine guy who'd never backstab you. I like him too. Seems like a good friend.
@@ma99954 Yeah after listening to the whole video I can see why.
@@happymolecule8894
destiny is gonna say something horrible again and get banned from twitch and blame this on hunter and his family as to imply conspiracy.
As someone who is a military brat, we are VERY privileged and most of us are sheltered. And Mikes background in the AIR FORCE? They have some of the nicest bases.
As a military brat for my from birth to 18, it is a suburb life style, mike is a joke.
I have never understood people burning the flag and I think thats "cringe" but if u want to do that do it and I agree with the kid its a meaningless gesture. I also agree on open carry I dont think its cringe exactly but from a tactical and defensive perspective its seems counterintuitive.
Do NOT spoil steins gate you bastard
I was impartial to Mike before seeing this....... I'm glad this is all I need to see of him
hunter does a pretty good job rekin Mike, but i would have loved watching Destiny verbally bitch slap him for a full hour
l think vaush handles mike pretty well.
Based video editor
How is Mike even still around. He's the epitome of insecure
He is, but all the evidence shows he's in it for the paycheck and practically a grifter. Plus his complete lack of self-awareness means he never takes a step back to look at the big picture and introspect when he embarrasses himself, since he never thinks he embarrasses himself.
How old is he?
I mean this as a compliment, Hunter Avallone reminds me of what Sam Seder might have looked like 35 years ago :D