Not just did it help hold the launch pad, but this water deluge system absorbed the shockwaves and thrust from 33 raptors! One could see this from the undamaged cameras and even all the tripods near it that captured the event. It was an amazing achievement ❤
I'm sorry to say, but I don't think it absorbed the shock waves. Maybe a little bit, but at 2:04 you can see quite a big shock wave. And there was another smaller one after that
You will Never absorb and eliminate the shockwaves from 33 rocket engines firing up.. but they are not trying to eliminate them (impossible) - they are trying to Reduce the acoustic vibration and shock to prevent damage to the vehicle and launch structure. - judging from this 1st live test, compared to the test they did before they had the water cooled plate, ill say they are onto something. If Boca Chica was not sitting like directly above the water table, im sure they would have gone a conventional route like flame trench, but thats not an option here.@@musicduck4538
The major problems emerging from IFT-2 are: 1) preventing the loss of fuel flow to the engines, possibly due to sloppy ullage during flipping of the booster, 2) apparent leakage of oxygen from stage 2 after stage separation, 3) other possible Raptor problems causing RUD of stage 2 and 4) heat protection tiles detaching during launch.
Oh I see why they did launch the first time without the water deluge system. They needed to dig a hole to put all the pipes for the water deluge system. They achieved that by launching it anyway - as a result they had a launch and a hole. Genius!
For me, SpaceX is a resounding success in testing the second prototype. Alright, congratulations to Elon and Space X. Congratulations and congratulations on the program! I'm really excited!! with the test! I think late January or early they will launch the 3rd prototype. The ramp has worked and the minor problems will be resolved. What we experienced today is a technical feat!!! Sant Cugat Barcelona 1:08
Now that Starship has proven that it can launch, full success may be just few iterations away. My real question is what the rest of the space launch industry will do? If Starship is reliable, it will be an order of magnitude cheaper than pretty much any other rocket. So, how could NASA or anyone else really justify using anything else?
Nasa can't justify the other expensive programs they have now, especially with how cheap and reliable SpaceX has been. Yet, NASA continues to throw stupid amounts of money to others. They said to hell with justifications.
NASA is government & government is greed, waste, incompetence & sloth… they have guns, jails to take what they want, they don’t have to justify anything.
I bet the liquid fuel bounced hard during separation. Nothing seems more obvious at this point. The throttle probably just needs adjusting. Bet it burns up on reentry. One problem at a time.
why only 3 raptors accelerating less than a g then the turn back maneuver with extra engines at maybe 2-3 G stabilizing the slosh height to 2-3meters ? I wonder how the heavy methane down comer full of liquid methane behaved/flexed as super heavy went horizontal given lack of fluid support in the lox tank?
@@blengi I think the hammer effect came when the momentum dropped and resumed. The slight slowdown as the raptors drop power in stages five at a time down to three combined with the sudden push from starship as the first three motors started, did the job. A slam of fuel falling the whole length of the buster rocket and busting all of the plumbing. Had to be hundreds of lbs of slosh falling 60 feet or more when starship pushed off from the hot stage. I think the hot staging goes at full throttle so the liquid can not possibly drift up the empty tank. The slow down lifts the fluid the engine startup adds lift and then the fuel plummets.
The water deluge system had been in design and development for about 8 months starting before event he first launch. It was only the implementation of the design that took a short time. and took quite a bit of engineering.
In exactly what this Spacex System of launching could be better than old fashioned system used to launch Apollo 5??? It will really be cool if would be possible Wernher Von Braun came back and integrates Spacex Team!!!
I believe the the explosion was intentional to test the system to prove the rocket of that size would fully self-destruct. But that if advertised would likely be rejected by regulators
No way.. I am sure they would have preferred to have the data on trying to control the booster into the water. Also they would have preferred to have the data on re-entry of Starship and control... also to see if it would survive with some heat shield tiles missing.
@@christianartman how much differet is super heavy landing from starship SN landing tests apart from the ~200% higher weight. probably has an even lower center of gravity with massive thrust puck and 33 raptors no belly flop and is thus even easier to land. Of course re-entry data would've been super sweet...
Ok to proceed with design of Starship2. Competition is now way, way behind. Starship1’s heat shield is meant to be reusable. SLS showed their heat shield needs total replacements after each use.
It looks like The capsule for Artemus had a heat shield failure after all. They will need to redesign it entirely. This could be something that SpaceX might also look into for StarShip. I see that StarShip Stage “0” (the launch pad) worked flawlessly. It’s ready formStarShip 10 booster4 within a few weeks. It might fly before the end of they year but I’m thinking January. I saw StarShip (all 3) gimbaled outwards and back into assent positions after separation. They worked as expectedly and that’s another check in the done box. I still have not heard much on their “Root Cause analysis” yet on this last mission. It should be interesting.
1:33 “steel is a ductile material”. You can’t make this generalized statement. Steel can be either ductile or brittle depending on it composition, its working temperature, and its heat treatment. Compositions which make steel hard will also make it brittle. Likewise loading it at low temperatures will make it more brittle. Heat treatments of annealed steel will make them stronger at the expense of making them more brittle. You really can’t compare concrete with metals because they are completely different materials. Concrete is just crushed rock with a binding agent to keep it together. It is good in compression but bad in tension. That is why it is reinforced with rebar for highly loaded applications to allow the rebar to take the tension loads.
While the flight failed to achieve all milestons it set out to achieve I think when it comes to regulatory approval this flight was perfect. The FTS seemed to have worked perfectly fine and deluge system mitigated all the problems we saw with the first launch for the ground station. afaik the next prototype is basically already waiting more or less to be launched and we could see the next test much faster this time around.
@marksullivan2230 Do we really need to show you a mash up of the dozens of rockets NASA blew up while working on their rocket program? Lots of those didn't even get off the pad. This was a TEST flight. Even Musk gave it only a 50% chance of reaching all goals. So, either you're an idiot who knows nothing about rocket development, or you're aware of all this and deliberately trolling.
@marksullivan2230 Apparently you weren't around back then because... well Apollo 1. If you want, there are hundreds of youtube videos showing early dozens of rocket failures on the pad during the great space race with the Soviets. Nothing was hurt here beyond some feelings by certain wokesters who hate anything Elon due to jealousy and microscopic penile attachments.
It was more likely a fuel problem. SpaceX has never tried to flip/boost back a booster as large as Starship's. The fuel tank is just a big, empty space. If the fuel didn't settle to the bottom of the booster then the engines wouldn't fire. If you look carefully at the telemetry from the test you can see that the engines all fired for the boost back. Then all the engines on one side failed at the same time. The explosion was caused by the Flight Termination System. It destroyed the booster after it went off course.
@@gregsteele806 agreed, it was most likely the fuel slamming into the manifold after the flip maneuver caused one of the welds to fail and therefore fuel started leaking into the engine section - which probably led to fuel pressure loss and multiple engines flaming out and then the FTS kicked in
Maglev technology can be used to help launch smaller crafts into space, that can be coupled together once in space, creating the larger desired craft. Then once they reach Mars, they can uncouple and land and act as temporary living quarters.
I’m holding out on saying the pad is 100% fine. They need to run a full test of the deluge system to make sure there aren’t any issues that need to be addressed for next launch. If that turns out well it becomes a matter of how many launches it can take before it gets damaged. There’s still probably some odds and ends on stage 0 that will need some work before next launch. The reasons for the RUDs on this launch are a mixed bag. I think the reason for the booster exploding are pretty cut and dry and will see the booster make a complete boost back burn next launch with little to no issue. The issues with the ship are more of a mystery. I think that will take up the most significant portion of the mishap investigation. My prediction is that the FAA will turn around and give another license in a couple months and by then spacex will be ready with a new ship and booster combo. I suspect launch cadence is going to ramp up considerably. By the end of next year I won’t be surprised if they make it to orbit, or even deliver payload.
Congratulations SpaceX! Way to go! I am so happy to see the excellent results of all the hard work over the past few months, paying off in such a spectacular way. I am 71 years old, I follow SpaceX enthusiastically almost daily. I want to see starship land on Mars before I get my ticket to leave this earth! If you get the point! Lol!
Could they use heat shield on top of the booster so that the heat from the Starship Raptor engines do not damage the top section of the booster and protect the stabilizer fin motors from the heat, but what a fabulous moment to see Starship launch 2, hopefully 3rd time will be even more successful. 😊
probably not, as the amount of turbulence would be MUCH higher than on the second stage. That might not apply if the entire hotstage includes a single unit tile to provide the protection. Tiles were also the weakness of the shuttle. The original concept had the shield built as a single unit to encapsulate the shuttle - but there was no money available to learn how to do that - so NASA and contractors went with a tiling technique which allowed the tiles to be damaged and fall off during launch.
From the Starship S24, the design of the collector tanks was not changed. From the S28 or S32 ship, it is also necessary to change the design of the manifold tanks.
It is now time for SpaceX to learn the maximum out of teh data collected during this test in order to make the best out of teh next one. this implies that some hardware may have to be improved before the next launch. I am looking forward to the next test with even more achievments. It is exactly the same for the heatshield at NASA, they need to properly understand what happened in order to improve teh design for the next models. that´s how humanity learns and gets better.
From the damage on a few of the upright tanks something hot the tanks Overall i'd like to see a perimiter wall around the OLM to capture more of the liquid water flowing around the base of the rocket.
I imagine in a round about way, SpaceX wanted to test the ship without any flame divergent system because they will lack those on any other planetary body, at least to start, and I can't imagine them having a water deluge system until we can start towing asteroids around.
Steal also develops micro fractures. And all that water comes in a very high pressure with a very high flow rate and end up very hot. SpaceX needs to monitor the system so that you do not see erosion, wear and corrosion from use.
IMHO, the third flight of the Starship will held not early summer 2024. If the cause of the disassembly, and engine failure, is a problem with the fuel supply during boostback, the pipelines become and they need to be redesigned, the booster 10 can be dismantled, and then the IFT-3 requires the construction of a booster 11 or 13.
I wouldn't be surprised that they can fix this with software.. if you watch the separation in very slow motion, it is clear that the fuel in the booster was slamming around because of the rapid deceleration caused by the lighting of the three vacuum engines on Starship. Watch the speed numbers and the booster had negative acceleration which would cause the propellant to slosh to the top. If they can either reduce the thrust on starship or increase the thrust on the booster during that separation, they can keep the propellant firmly attached to the bottom of the tank where it can feed the Raptors. Baffles can help but my guess is that they will focus first on reducing the deceleration which caused the starvation of the booster engines and likely triggered the termination charges.
If demise of both ships was caused by sloshing "fuel shock", then I don't see how it can be resolved without "moving piston" to apply even pressure to the fuel.
of course only a much lighter starhip needs to be accommodated with 1/6 G and .4G respectively, so literally 1 tenth the engines of super heavy and if the 9 ton hot stage ring can handle 3 raptors then a pad on mars or moon hardly needs to be more robust.
Correct me if im wrong but if they plan on using the launch pad over and over again wouldn't they need to apply heat shielding to the pad and the water deluge system as well?
I believe they chose steel for the exact reason to not require this. A heat shield won't be able to withstand the sheer force of the engines as they're normally comprises of ceramic tiles. The benefit of steel is that it has a high melting point compared to fibers and other metals, while still being strong and the water deluge system is able to keep it cool and absorb the majority of the force of the engines, so that refurbishment isn't required. The water cools it down and keeps it protected during the 10s or so of liftoff...least thats the theory behind it I believe.
A great leap upwards with a successful all engine launch and separation. Sounds like though, some people need to get upto speed still, with the original failure being down to matter being in an extremely high state of charge separation with electrical force being responsible and not volcanoes suddenly forming and then going off.
THIS IS INDEED GREAT, BUT WAIT UNTIL THEY BUILD STARSHIP OFF WORLD AND MINE AND BUILD COMPONENTS OFF WORLD AND BY THEN HAVE EXOTIC FUELS TO POWER STARSHIP.
Bonjour à vous tous, j'ai vu le décollage du super Heavy/ Starship pour la destruction du super Heavy je pense à un problème de pression trop faible à l'allumage.
Larger payloads also means higher risk per launch. Losing a few satellites (17 tonne) would be nothing compared to losing a full 100-150 tonne payload. The vehicle will have to become super reliable to justify that kind of risk.
Nothing a few pounds of C4 can't fix. You can throw 150 tonnes into the drink at low altitudes without risk and at speeds, the main danger is large chunks which can't burn up in time before hitting land. Blow it up into small chunks and no issue at all... pretty fireworks show.
higher risk maybe, but a huge 747 has much lower crash risk than small prop plane. if the engine avionics get good enough then engine out redundancy should make starship super reliable ie if 10% chance of engine failure per minute then 2 engines failing would be ballpark 1% 3 .1% 4 .01% and we know superheavy is specced to get to orbit with 3 out which would be a 1 in few hundred rarity with say a critical 4 literally a
@@blengi there were a lot of problems already from small percentage of engine failures in both flights, perhaps because of fire, but also loss of thrust and instability. It can't really be compared to an aeroplane, where the engines are on separate wings and the forces are way lower. But I'm sure Space X will figure out the issues. The reliability they've created with the Falcon 9 is phenomenal.
@@512Squared what were the engine failures in fl2? going up all 33 worked fine. the 6 raptors on starship seems to work fine too. Of course boost back had engines cut out, but was that engine failure or something structural making engines non nominal causing avionics to turn off?
It seems like the issue with the heat tiles falling off might need to be resolved with heat shield sheets instead. It only a speculation but the more tiles the increased likely there will be a problem which is contrary to Musks' philosophy of "the best part is not part" i.e. the best part is fewer parts.
If you have a larger sheet detach that would be worse than a smaller tile protecting an area. Overall lets keep in mind that most of them did stay attached.
finding a way to make/casting the entire shield as "one part" then attaching to the ship would do. More like ship building where the shield becomes the "keel", and then building the ship inside the shield might do.
yeah like tile strips pre bonded to that insulating layer which hook on around the sides with maybe half the pins which can be tensioned according to ship vibrations. be much easier to service to in space too ie has some spares tile strips for in space EVA repairs
When (not if) Starship becomes fully operational, all the other rockets in the world become relics of the 1st Space Age (1957 [Sputnik] - 2023 [Starship] ). The 2nd Space Age begins with Starship (2023) and goes until FTL Propulsion & Art. Grav. is achieved. Then the 3rd age of Space begins and we begin the Trek to the Stars ,the final frontier : to explore strange new worlds ; to seek out new life & new civilizations ; to go where no one has gone before.
I'm sure NASA will figure it out in four or five years vs Private space engineers in four or five months. Government based mentality is wonderful with everything it touches, isn't it? 🤔
They have no material that will hold liquids as cold as liquid oxygen or liquid hydrogen that will stay flexible. And controlling the pressure in such a bladder would be almost impossible. That's simply not happening.
sthose baffles didn't work in aerobatic or fighter aircraft even though some are used. so it might help, but would also tend to make the fuel foam from splashing (as well as make the tank more thermally conductive).
@@jessepollard7132 maybe, thats still easy, but the hole could be small, its all about the shafts that all lead away from it, more shafts the better venting
Is Elon going to select humans, perfect humans with no passions and sexual oddities, no competition and greed? With no pubs and streets to relax, a few drinks and blast motors? Hitler did try to create a perfect genes pool... without family love. How is he doing the selection?
@@robb8235 Rocket-Science is not meant to be imperial, but metric. The Meter itself originates from the ancient egyptian Qbit, which is 80 of our Zentimeters. 1 Cubic Meter ( m³ ) of water ( @ 4° C ) defines the metric ton.
Not just did it help hold the launch pad, but this water deluge system absorbed the shockwaves and thrust from 33 raptors! One could see this from the undamaged cameras and even all the tripods near it that captured the event. It was an amazing achievement ❤
Exactly. This is unique platform!!!
NSF Thinks the new dent in the Tank Farm was caused by Shock Wave from the launch.
I'm sorry to say, but I don't think it absorbed the shock waves. Maybe a little bit, but at 2:04 you can see quite a big shock wave. And there was another smaller one after that
@@davidedwards1705
Last I heard…. There were plans to remove the vertical tanks…
You will Never absorb and eliminate the shockwaves from 33 rocket engines firing up.. but they are not trying to eliminate them (impossible) - they are trying to Reduce the acoustic vibration and shock to prevent damage to the vehicle and launch structure. - judging from this 1st live test, compared to the test they did before they had the water cooled plate, ill say they are onto something. If Boca Chica was not sitting like directly above the water table, im sure they would have gone a conventional route like flame trench, but thats not an option here.@@musicduck4538
The major problems emerging from IFT-2 are: 1) preventing the loss of fuel flow to the engines, possibly due to sloppy ullage during flipping of the booster, 2) apparent leakage of oxygen from stage 2 after stage separation, 3) other possible Raptor problems causing RUD of stage 2 and 4) heat protection tiles detaching during launch.
Oh I see why they did launch the first time without the water deluge system. They needed to dig a hole to put all the pipes for the water deluge system. They achieved that by launching it anyway - as a result they had a launch and a hole. Genius!
@@OrwellNailedItnah its 5d😂
😂 Im thinking about it...
One can't under estimate the x factor of the genius of Elon. The smartest guy in any room.
@@redMaple_QCwell he can hire good staff .. because twitter
@@redMaple_QCAnd you know what is his idea and what are the ideas of his engineers relayed to the public by him?
For me, SpaceX is a resounding success in testing the second prototype. Alright, congratulations to Elon and Space X.
Congratulations and congratulations on the program!
I'm really excited!! with the test!
I think late January or early they will launch the 3rd prototype. The ramp has worked and the minor problems will be resolved.
What we experienced today is a technical feat!!!
Sant Cugat Barcelona 1:08
Next Starship will be ready in 3-4 weeks : Elon
Hopefully
Now that Starship has proven that it can launch, full success may be just few iterations away. My real question is what the rest of the space launch industry will do? If Starship is reliable, it will be an order of magnitude cheaper than pretty much any other rocket. So, how could NASA or anyone else really justify using anything else?
Nasa can't justify the other expensive programs they have now, especially with how cheap and reliable SpaceX has been. Yet, NASA continues to throw stupid amounts of money to others. They said to hell with justifications.
NASA is government & government is greed, waste, incompetence & sloth… they have guns, jails to take what they want, they don’t have to justify anything.
NASA operates on gazillion dollars of pork being spent in the home districts of senators and congresspersonages. Always has, always will.
They will use some political reasoning to continue to spend billions on their friends companies
I think they're trying their best to provide some competition. An alternative should Elon turn into dr evil...
Only a matter of time before we get to see a starship land on the moon!
Knowing how Musk operates, I would say: somewhere next year but then postponed every year for a decade.
I bet the liquid fuel bounced hard during separation. Nothing seems more obvious at this point. The throttle probably just needs adjusting. Bet it burns up on reentry. One problem at a time.
why only 3 raptors accelerating less than a g then the turn back maneuver with extra engines at maybe 2-3 G stabilizing the slosh height to 2-3meters ? I wonder how the heavy methane down comer full of liquid methane behaved/flexed as super heavy went horizontal given lack of fluid support in the lox tank?
@@blengi I think the hammer effect came when the momentum dropped and resumed. The slight slowdown as the raptors drop power in stages five at a time down to three combined with the sudden push from starship as the first three motors started, did the job. A slam of fuel falling the whole length of the buster rocket and busting all of the plumbing. Had to be hundreds of lbs of slosh falling 60 feet or more when starship pushed off from the hot stage. I think the hot staging goes at full throttle so the liquid can not possibly drift up the empty tank. The slow down lifts the fluid the engine startup adds lift and then the fuel plummets.
Exactly,learn- improve- fly again- repeat….
Yeah. Until we reach it
the rate of spaceX solving the previous launch test problem will see the program settle like falcon 9 launch normalization in less than 5 years.
The water deluge system had been in design and development for about 8 months starting before event he first launch. It was only the implementation of the design that took a short time. and took quite a bit of engineering.
The success of Starship is so exciting, I’m ready for the next mission 💥👍🐸❤️
I am still awed when I see pictures of the super heavy lifting off. Especially the one showing the shock diamonds.wow!
$10 per kilogram is incredible. Cheaper than going from USA to Japan.
Hope that SpaceX can make this real
In exactly what this Spacex System of launching could be better than old fashioned system used to launch Apollo 5??? It will really be cool if would be possible Wernher Von Braun came back and integrates Spacex Team!!!
Great News. I was waiting for your report on the launch pad. Great job SpaceX. Great Report Today. Thanks!
My pleasure!
It would be great if they launch again before Christmas!
I believe the the explosion was intentional to test the system to prove the rocket of that size would fully self-destruct. But that if advertised would likely be rejected by regulators
No way.. I am sure they would have preferred to have the data on trying to control the booster into the water. Also they would have preferred to have the data on re-entry of Starship and control... also to see if it would survive with some heat shield tiles missing.
@@christianartman how much differet is super heavy landing from starship SN landing tests apart from the ~200% higher weight. probably has an even lower center of gravity with massive thrust puck and 33 raptors no belly flop and is thus even easier to land. Of course re-entry data would've been super sweet...
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I'm one flight more cargo than all our flights combined. That's eye opening
They’ll have that mariachi band on mars in no time.
;D
Dude built an artificial volcano, *and* an extinguisher capable of putting it out 👏👏👏🙌
Necessity is the Mother for a reason ! This was one well thought out solution for being the bandage that it was.
Ok to proceed with design of Starship2. Competition is now way, way behind.
Starship1’s heat shield is meant to be reusable. SLS showed their heat shield needs total replacements after each use.
Great episode. Thanks for the update, much appreciated. Look forward to IFT-3! 🤙
This was a great step forward . This proves how professional en capable the Space X team is
Old aviation saying: "if it looks good it will fly good". Enough said.
Nice one good detail 👌
Thanks!!!!
I can't believe that just years ago this was just a crazy dream but now it's becoming real!
Next year can be much more different!!!
It looks like The capsule for Artemus had a heat shield failure after all. They will need to redesign it entirely. This could be something that SpaceX might also look into for StarShip. I see that StarShip Stage “0” (the launch pad) worked flawlessly. It’s ready formStarShip 10 booster4 within a few weeks. It might fly before the end of they year but I’m thinking January. I saw StarShip (all 3) gimbaled outwards and back into assent positions after separation. They worked as expectedly and that’s another check in the done box. I still have not heard much on their “Root Cause analysis” yet on this last mission. It should be interesting.
This Deluge System should be a reminder to all RUclipsrs & RUclips Comments that they ARE NOT Engineers and speculate less.
1:33 “steel is a ductile material”. You can’t make this generalized statement. Steel can be either ductile or brittle depending on it composition, its working temperature, and its heat treatment. Compositions which make steel hard will also make it brittle. Likewise loading it at low temperatures will make it more brittle. Heat treatments of annealed steel will make them stronger at the expense of making them more brittle. You really can’t compare concrete with metals because they are completely different materials. Concrete is just crushed rock with a binding agent to keep it together. It is good in compression but bad in tension. That is why it is reinforced with rebar for highly loaded applications to allow the rebar to take the tension loads.
While the flight failed to achieve all milestons it set out to achieve I think when it comes to regulatory approval this flight was perfect. The FTS seemed to have worked perfectly fine and deluge system mitigated all the problems we saw with the first launch for the ground station.
afaik the next prototype is basically already waiting more or less to be launched and we could see the next test much faster this time around.
@marksullivan2230 - Obviously, You need to make sure He Rides up, with You, holding him tightly! 😊
Marksullivan you seem forget all the tryptophane before the fly of the saturn 5
@marksullivan2230 Do we really need to show you a mash up of the dozens of rockets NASA blew up while working on their rocket program? Lots of those didn't even get off the pad. This was a TEST flight. Even Musk gave it only a 50% chance of reaching all goals. So, either you're an idiot who knows nothing about rocket development, or you're aware of all this and deliberately trolling.
@marksullivan2230 Apparently you weren't around back then because... well Apollo 1. If you want, there are hundreds of youtube videos showing early dozens of rocket failures on the pad during the great space race with the Soviets. Nothing was hurt here beyond some feelings by certain wokesters who hate anything Elon due to jealousy and microscopic penile attachments.
Could it be that, during separation, the top of booster 1 overheated leading to the explosion. Heat tiles on the top?
😊
It was more likely a fuel problem. SpaceX has never tried to flip/boost back a booster as large as Starship's. The fuel tank is just a big, empty space. If the fuel didn't settle to the bottom of the booster then the engines wouldn't fire. If you look carefully at the telemetry from the test you can see that the engines all fired for the boost back. Then all the engines on one side failed at the same time. The explosion was caused by the Flight Termination System. It destroyed the booster after it went off course.
@@gregsteele806 agreed, it was most likely the fuel slamming into the manifold after the flip maneuver caused one of the welds to fail and therefore fuel started leaking into the engine section - which probably led to fuel pressure loss and multiple engines flaming out and then the FTS kicked in
tiles might be too fragile for the turbulence of ignition.
Maglev technology can be used to help launch smaller crafts into space, that can be coupled together once in space, creating the larger desired craft. Then once they reach Mars, they can uncouple and land and act as temporary living quarters.
Amazing photos
I’m holding out on saying the pad is 100% fine. They need to run a full test of the deluge system to make sure there aren’t any issues that need to be addressed for next launch. If that turns out well it becomes a matter of how many launches it can take before it gets damaged. There’s still probably some odds and ends on stage 0 that will need some work before next launch.
The reasons for the RUDs on this launch are a mixed bag. I think the reason for the booster exploding are pretty cut and dry and will see the booster make a complete boost back burn next launch with little to no issue. The issues with the ship are more of a mystery. I think that will take up the most significant portion of the mishap investigation.
My prediction is that the FAA will turn around and give another license in a couple months and by then spacex will be ready with a new ship and booster combo. I suspect launch cadence is going to ramp up considerably. By the end of next year I won’t be surprised if they make it to orbit, or even deliver payload.
Congratulations SpaceX! Way to go! I am so happy to see the excellent results of all the hard work over the past few months, paying off in such a spectacular way.
I am 71 years old, I follow SpaceX enthusiastically almost daily. I want to see starship land on Mars before I get my ticket to leave this earth! If you get the point! Lol!
Could they use heat shield on top of the booster so that the heat from the Starship Raptor engines do not damage the top section of the booster and protect the stabilizer fin motors from the heat, but what a fabulous moment to see Starship launch 2, hopefully 3rd time will be even more successful. 😊
probably not, as the amount of turbulence would be MUCH higher than on the second stage. That might not apply if the entire hotstage includes a single unit tile to provide the protection. Tiles were also the weakness of the shuttle. The original concept had the shield built as a single unit to encapsulate the shuttle - but there was no money available to learn how to do that - so NASA and contractors went with a tiling technique which allowed the tiles to be damaged and fall off during launch.
SpaceX built the worlds largest bidet, and it worked!
From the Starship S24, the design of the collector tanks was not changed. From the S28 or S32 ship, it is also necessary to change the design of the manifold tanks.
More important datas got from 2nd launch. Good news for next month launch 3.🎉
It is now time for SpaceX to learn the maximum out of teh data collected during this test in order to make the best out of teh next one. this implies that some hardware may have to be improved before the next launch. I am looking forward to the next test with even more achievments.
It is exactly the same for the heatshield at NASA, they need to properly understand what happened in order to improve teh design for the next models. that´s how humanity learns and gets better.
"Why the starship detonated" isn't a question. It was detonated. It was out of control and it was deliberately detonated. A mandatory safety system.
That way after the 180 flip the engines won't cut off.
From the damage on a few of the upright tanks something hot the tanks
Overall i'd like to see a perimiter wall around the OLM to capture more of the liquid water flowing around the base of the rocket.
But the blast back pressure caused by not having a proper blast deflector redirection likely damaged both vehicles.
Another great video 👍🏻
Thanks again!
I imagine in a round about way, SpaceX wanted to test the ship without any flame divergent system because they will lack those on any other planetary body, at least to start, and I can't imagine them having a water deluge system until we can start towing asteroids around.
I think they need to pressure rise the fuel system for the next launch so the engines won't cut off.
If we can get the Gov out of the way we can test more often.
Regarding 3:14 where did you get that footage?
Steal also develops micro fractures. And all that water comes in a very high pressure with a very high flow rate and end up very hot. SpaceX needs to monitor the system so that you do not see erosion, wear and corrosion from use.
IMHO, the third flight of the Starship will held not early summer 2024. If the cause of the disassembly, and engine failure, is a problem with the fuel supply during boostback, the pipelines become and they need to be redesigned, the booster 10 can be dismantled, and then the IFT-3 requires the construction of a booster 11 or 13.
I wouldn't be surprised that they can fix this with software.. if you watch the separation in very slow motion, it is clear that the fuel in the booster was slamming around because of the rapid deceleration caused by the lighting of the three vacuum engines on Starship. Watch the speed numbers and the booster had negative acceleration which would cause the propellant to slosh to the top. If they can either reduce the thrust on starship or increase the thrust on the booster during that separation, they can keep the propellant firmly attached to the bottom of the tank where it can feed the Raptors. Baffles can help but my guess is that they will focus first on reducing the deceleration which caused the starvation of the booster engines and likely triggered the termination charges.
If demise of both ships was caused by sloshing "fuel shock", then I don't see how it can be resolved without "moving piston" to apply even pressure to the fuel.
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A pad on the Moon/Mars will be hard
of course only a much lighter starhip needs to be accommodated with 1/6 G and .4G respectively, so literally 1 tenth the engines of super heavy and if the 9 ton hot stage ring can handle 3 raptors then a pad on mars or moon hardly needs to be more robust.
Correct me if im wrong but if they plan on using the launch pad over and over again wouldn't they need to apply heat shielding to the pad and the water deluge system as well?
I believe they chose steel for the exact reason to not require this. A heat shield won't be able to withstand the sheer force of the engines as they're normally comprises of ceramic tiles.
The benefit of steel is that it has a high melting point compared to fibers and other metals, while still being strong and the water deluge system is able to keep it cool and absorb the majority of the force of the engines, so that refurbishment isn't required. The water cools it down and keeps it protected during the 10s or so of liftoff...least thats the theory behind it I believe.
A great leap upwards with a successful all engine launch and separation. Sounds like though, some people need to get upto speed still, with the original failure being down to matter being in an extremely high state of charge separation with electrical force being responsible and not volcanoes suddenly forming and then going off.
THIS IS INDEED GREAT, BUT WAIT UNTIL THEY BUILD STARSHIP OFF WORLD AND MINE AND BUILD COMPONENTS OFF WORLD AND BY THEN HAVE EXOTIC FUELS TO POWER STARSHIP.
Your molecules are heavier than the air molecules around you. In a molecular grid format. That will hold you down. Instant gravity.
Bonjour à vous tous, j'ai vu le décollage du super Heavy/ Starship pour la destruction du super Heavy je pense à un problème de pression trop faible à l'allumage.
Larger payloads also means higher risk per launch. Losing a few satellites (17 tonne) would be nothing compared to losing a full 100-150 tonne payload. The vehicle will have to become super reliable to justify that kind of risk.
Nothing a few pounds of C4 can't fix. You can throw 150 tonnes into the drink at low altitudes without risk and at speeds, the main danger is large chunks which can't burn up in time before hitting land. Blow it up into small chunks and no issue at all... pretty fireworks show.
@@steveburton5825 the risk is financial, not from re-entry debris
higher risk maybe, but a huge 747 has much lower crash risk than small prop plane. if the engine avionics get good enough then engine out redundancy should make starship super reliable ie if 10% chance of engine failure per minute then 2 engines failing would be ballpark 1% 3 .1% 4 .01% and we know superheavy is specced to get to orbit with 3 out which would be a 1 in few hundred rarity with say a critical 4 literally a
@@blengi there were a lot of problems already from small percentage of engine failures in both flights, perhaps because of fire, but also loss of thrust and instability. It can't really be compared to an aeroplane, where the engines are on separate wings and the forces are way lower. But I'm sure Space X will figure out the issues. The reliability they've created with the Falcon 9 is phenomenal.
@@512Squared what were the engine failures in fl2? going up all 33 worked fine. the 6 raptors on starship seems to work fine too. Of course boost back had engines cut out, but was that engine failure or something structural making engines non nominal causing avionics to turn off?
Was there any excess water to deal with after the launch
I don’t know why they worry about the excess water no different than a strong storm or a hurricane
@@robb8235 not as much water, but a lot hotter.
It seems like the issue with the heat tiles falling off might need to be resolved with heat shield sheets instead. It only a speculation but the more tiles the increased likely there will be a problem which is contrary to Musks' philosophy of "the best part is not part" i.e. the best part is fewer parts.
If you have a larger sheet detach that would be worse than a smaller tile protecting an area. Overall lets keep in mind that most of them did stay attached.
finding a way to make/casting the entire shield as "one part" then attaching to the ship would do. More like ship building where the shield becomes the "keel", and then building the ship inside the shield might do.
yeah like tile strips pre bonded to that insulating layer which hook on around the sides with maybe half the pins which can be tensioned according to ship vibrations. be much easier to service to in space too ie has some spares tile strips for in space EVA repairs
@@blengi Yes something along those lines. Starship is way to big for all those tiles. It seems inevitable to be a continuous problem.
@@jessepollard7132 Good idea.
Would help much to see the words "Super Heavy" somewhere in the video.
Got it don’t repeatedly set off a reverse Volcano where you launch really expensive rockets.
A launch pad in an estuary in the middle of a wildlife refuge doesn't seems like a good idea.
And now it’s onto landing on Mars, twice, last year, like Musk predicted…..
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When (not if) Starship becomes fully operational, all the other rockets in the world become relics of the 1st Space Age (1957 [Sputnik] - 2023 [Starship] ). The 2nd Space Age begins with Starship (2023) and goes until FTL Propulsion & Art. Grav. is achieved. Then the 3rd age of Space begins and we begin the Trek to the Stars ,the final frontier : to explore strange new worlds ; to seek out new life & new civilizations ; to go where no one has gone before.
so they did not intentionally blow up the booster?
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I'm sure NASA will figure it out in four or five years vs Private space engineers in four or five months. Government based mentality is wonderful with everything it touches, isn't it? 🤔
Je veux continuer cette mission mais avec les problème c'est pas bon Imagine avec moi
1:39 Probably would've been more credible to talk to a materials engineer than a guy that studies planets for a living.
Come on, I've established the name.
The Booster Bidet.
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Saturn V never had a failure in flight using slide rules. Just sayin.
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10$ per kg?!?
Fuel takes will need fuel blatters that shrink froceing the fuel in the direction needed !
They have no material that will hold liquids as cold as liquid oxygen or liquid hydrogen that will stay flexible. And controlling the pressure in such a bladder would be almost impossible. That's simply not happening.
sthose baffles didn't work in aerobatic or fighter aircraft even though some are used. so it might help, but would also tend to make the fuel foam from splashing (as well as make the tank more thermally conductive).
What about those heat shield tiles???
That was a failure!!😮
I will discuss this in next episode
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NASA is a dinosaur riding on the big coat tails of Space X !
just dig a massive hole with shafts leading somewhere out the way under the rocket, be less damage and need less water idk just a thought
not without a 100 foot or more hole.
@@jessepollard7132 maybe, thats still easy, but the hole could be small, its all about the shafts that all lead away from it, more shafts the better venting
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Is Elon going to select humans, perfect humans with no passions and sexual oddities, no competition and greed? With no pubs and streets to relax, a few drinks and blast motors? Hitler did try to create a perfect genes pool... without family love. How is he doing the selection?
I would assume he will select the brightest for his teams… genetic diversity would also be necessary to make sure no genetic problems with mating.
no, more likely just more intelligent. Besides the stupid ones would be more likely to kill themselves.
WTF is a Gallon ?
English measurement like a liter
I noted this, thanks your feedback
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Rocket-Science is not meant to be imperial, but metric.
The Meter itself originates from the ancient egyptian Qbit, which is 80 of our Zentimeters.
1 Cubic Meter ( m³ ) of water ( @ 4° C ) defines the metric ton.
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This channel's videos have sooo much unnecessary b roll on the side of main title..not good
NASA just a waste of time.. they do nothing fast
Your AI…doesn’t know how to spell!
Comparable to a Volcano...what kind of stupid crap is that?
I wouldn't rule out sabotage for the early detonation
They're still spending our money on SLS?...
SLS needs to be scrapped
You mean the rocket that actually has worked so far?