This video reminds me of the time I was on this 2fort server, and there was this kid playing engineer. He had a level 2 sentry, and everyone was screaming at him to upgrade it, but he wouldn’t because he said he liked the way it looked.
@@MrCastleburger Indeed. I am getting back into TF2 now (what else is there to do now that we're all socially isolated?) and it sure is different from when I last played about 5 years ago.
Fun fact, level 3 buildings were almost not added into the game because people at valve cannot count to 3. Valve had to call in a consultant to teach one of the developers how to count to 3, but after he added in the lvl 3 building, the other developers ripped him limb from limb for his heresy.
When I usually play on 2fort I tend to build a lvl 2 sentry behind the desk in the intel room. Why? You may ask, well it’s all thanks to the intelligence, as it has no hit box. So the enemy will receive bullets from your sentry not knowing from where they come from.
Unless you are dead and they are hitting it outside of its range with a stock shotgun, sure it will take a painful amount of time to destroy it like that and it will do nothing if the engie is alive but atleast it will destroy it at some point if your dead and maybe help their team a little by softening up the sentry gun, but otherwise your correct
If you are moving a gun, upgrade it to lvl 2 and put another 150-175 metal into it, then move that gear up. That way you can get the best of both worlds. Gun starts fireing quicker and you can finish the upgrade at your discretion with one or two swings
@@shad0w137. But it’s actually bad design… because you make the player think it is a straight upgrade when it’s actually not, it’s always infuriating when games hide info from the player or gaslight the player, it’s not that big of a deal but it’s definitely NOT good design, especially not for a new player.
I didn't even realize this was something debatable. I always figured highest level = best result. I might start leaving a gun at level 2 more often when on offense or while I'm trying to get a nest up. The extra HP is important when you're fully set up, so I see no point in leaving it at level 2 if you have everything else upgraded, aren't moving, and have 200 metal to spend, but I can see situations where the build speed and extra metal for my teleporter might be more beneficial.
+Kevin (Emayerage) Level 2 is a requirement in my book for any form of nest, but lvl 3 is a wait thing most of the time unless your playing disposable sentry(was more common before gunslinger). I usually get the 3, then ensure dispensers up to at least 2 before worry about lvl 3 gun. Also the size thing, lvl 2 lets it peek over most things so its good for surprise buttsechings folks with odd placements ;).
Weapon concept Scrappers PDA +50% metal supply -buildings only upgrade to level 2 Works perfectly as an offensive engi PDA, works efficiently with the Widowmaker and especially the jag, allows more use of the short circuit, and gives level 2 buildings their own spotlight Oh, and in mvm the metal supply upgrade remains the same, otherwise it's complete downgrade from stock
@@spyro2002 "What? This piece of poop? Ppfffttt Look at mine!" "Pdaaaaaaaa +Can build 100 buildings +100% metal bonus +Buildings has 100% health bones +Engineer becomes invulnerable when carrying out the toolbox -no random crits"
Question about the larger hitbox: does it matter when: a) Sentries are stationary, since I always imagined that hitbox size matters primarily when dodging, which requires mobility b) The sentry has no "vulnerable" hitboxes, like a head which snipers can exploit
Incog Elbowtross yes and no. its simply allowing a soldier, scout, whatever to more consistently hit it. now becuase its a stationary target, sure, but in the middle of a fight one or two more bullets from a heavy could decide everything.
a scout can do more damage from longer ranges because of the bigger hitbox but, let's be honest, if a scount is close enough to do max damage to a sentry he won't be there for much longer
Hitboxes matter. smaller one requires more skill to damage. and technically the engie is the sentry's weakspot. It's a team based objective game. everyone has a role.
It's also worth noting that even though the firing speed for the Level 2 and Level 3 sentries are exactly the same, the Level 3 has a noticeable increase in the bullet firing *sound* that it makes, so it can be a bit deceiving. Interesting stuff. Or at least I think so. Hope ya enjoyed. ;)
Here's something you didn't know: Half life 2 Episode 2's Antlion Worker has a very advanced aiming system. They predict your movements and fire ahead of you, making a near direct hit everytime. This is the same as the APC's rocket launcher.
you forgot one thing: sentry rockets can be airblasted, meaning level 3's are easier to destroy for a pyro. much, MUCH easier. edit: so uhh this got controversial. Let me explain: I said EASIER, not EASY.
It's also worth noting that that the sentry causes knock back with its bullets and because of this the sentry's rockets can land a liiiiiiittle reliably when the opponent is grounded, because now the sentry is pushing them in a *straight* line away meaning the opponent is now moving in the same direction the rockets are traveling, still not reliable, but it wasn't covered in this video because the medic was invincible in the demonstration. Food for thought
Totally wrong, the bullets add a velocity perpendicular to the turret but doesn't modify the other 2 axis velocity so, being pushed back makes it even harder to hit the rockets.
Something that's not often talked about but can make a huge difference is that each level of a sentry increases its turret turn speed as well, which means it can more effectively switch targets and cover multiple directions. A Pyro could run tight circles around a level 1 and never get shot at, and a Scout can do that against a level 2, but not against a level 3. That isn't even on the wiki, but it is an important stat that changes and I'm surprised it's not listed anywhere since AFAIK everyone knows it.
I play both Pyro and Engie, and I have never seen another Pyro airblast my sentry rockets, and I wasn't able to airblast Sentry rockets while playing as Pyro
they do deal minicrits. I play pyro in RGL IM and airblasting rockets can be incredibly powerful. they're way more predictable than a soldier's rockets so you can airblast them much closer to the source. Gotten a few medics that way
My two cents is that having a level 3 is very important for a truly defensive position that forces players into close quarters, ideally in an elevated platform. The rocket salvo isn't very fast reaching, BUT it "sprinkles" that little bit of additional damage that either kills surprised players or dissuades players who wish to push past it. A level two sentry will just as quickly deal with about 6 of the other classes, but the classes to truly do pose a serious threat to your sentry are the Soldier, Demo, and in certain situations, the Heavy, and that's where the rocket salvo comes in handy, since these classes are slower than most others, and the rockets have a higher chance of splashing damage on them. Of course, if a good pyro can reflect those rockets it becomes dangerous even to the engineer himself, but that's not common, and usually it will only hit if you are in a really bad position. So I'll put it like this: Level 2's can be justified if the enemy team lacks any sort of competent soldiers or demos that could destroy your sentry.
Dane, people keep upgrading my gear to level 3 when I want it to be level 2 for the points you've listed. Please tell the engineers to not touch my gun!
It seems as though the level 3 sentry’s rockets aren’t meant to kill people directly so much as to incentivize them to move in certain ways. Tracking becomes easier when the rockets are flying, as for that moment you just have to predict what direction they’ll move to dodge the rockets, so you can take advantage of that while fighting alongside a level 3. Actually hitting them is a very juicy cherry on top.
If I’m planning on building a sentry one place and immediately relocating it to somewhere else, I like to upgrade a sentry to level 2 and put 175 metal into upgrading it, that way if I need to put the sentry down to defend myself it or am rushed to put it down it can start working faster, but I can easily upgrade it with a single swing of the wrench if everything goes as planned
ShadowOfAres No, a gunslinger isn't 'required' for offense. It's merely a supplement for bigger sentries. Also, mini sentries aren't as effective at holding the line if the defending team tries to make a push.
I meant in general, you are much more likely to use the gunslinger offensively rather than any other wrench because the extra setup speed of the mini sentry is what your team really needs to quickly get into an area and eliminate all enemies, remember leveled sentries are used for area denail, to prevent the other team from accessing an area, not for rushing and clearing enemy territory.
Based on my experience if the sentry and enemy player are in a small or somewhat enclosed space then the rockets will hit the enemy player fairly consistently.
Everybody knows a Brass Beast Heavy next to a Dispenser/on top of a large ammo pack is the best Sentry Gun. It can even think for itself, and therefore Spy-check.
+MadSwedishGamer You also forgot one crucial thing. Having a Beggar's Bazooka Soldier clipping with the Heavy is an unstoppable strategy. Engie meta will never be the same again.
I believe it’s important to note how Pyro can take advantage of level 3 sentry rockets, killing the engineer in one hit, or at least leaving him extremely vulnerable to your teammates, as well as damaging the sentry a whole lot as well.
This is a great video and gave me insight on how to get my sentry into daring spots more easily, but it left one big question of mine unanswered... ancke dan whats the difence betyween level two sentey and level three sentey???????????????????????????????????
when it comes to moving sentries to dangerous placed i uprgrade it to lvl 2 and at 175 metal in it so i can deploy it fast let it kill quick then hit it once for upgrade
You may have forgotten that a good and clever Pyro can deflect level 3 rockets and possibly kill the engineer if he's there, since they will do 135 damage on direct hit. All you have to do is have a health kit around or a medic, and you can peek around the edge and wait for it to shoot a rocket.
+BonziBUDDY I thought about talking about this, but I've only seen that happen like 5 times in my entire life. It's certainly not a valid reason to keep your sentry at Level 2, imo.
+Uncle Dane Well I suppose it's pretty hard to get the distance right to not be blown up instantly but for the rocket to actually reach you in less than a second and a half . . .
+natchu96 I tried this but it is hard to trigger the rockets without getting killed. Then if the engineer is hiding behind the sentry you have to step out again
I agree with Dane. As a pyro, Ive only managed to reflect the rockets a few times, and all of those times were last ditch efforts that horribly failed due to the sentry's bullets.
What to do as engineer: 1: Place teleporter entrance near spawn 2: Build level 2 sentry and move it 3:Make level 3 dispenser and move it to where they can use it 4: Place teleporter exit 5:Upgrade sentry to level 3
This is the first TF2 video I saw. Turns out a good friend of mine was a tf2 fan too. And here I am. An Engineer Main, because of this video. I am indebted to this good uncle. Thanks Dane!
I often play on harvest with the stock wrench and the shotgun and place a lvl 1 in a cheeky corner. People just underestimate the dps compared to the mini
I think the best way to put a sentry in a good spot is to upgrade it to level 2 and carry it out to somewhere where you want it to be. Then make the choice to upgrade to level 3 or keep level 2.
Level two sentry doesn't shoot rockets. But that can be good because pyros can reflect sentry rockets but if there are no rockets the pyro can really only w+m1 it or shotgun.
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This video reminds me of the time I was on this 2fort server, and there was this kid playing engineer. He had a level 2 sentry, and everyone was screaming at him to upgrade it, but he wouldn’t because he said he liked the way it looked.
Emvee That kid had 800 iq. He was simply outplaying the other team.
Nice
The mad man
The look is the most important
One of them could have went Engie for a moment to go upgrade it themselves.
I haven’t played TF2 in over 5 years, but RUclips Recommendations demanded I come here. Hello my old brothers
Welcome back!
It's good to see you again! Boyz, make some room by the hearth why doncha?!
A lot has changed in the last 5 years...
@@MrCastleburger Indeed. I am getting back into TF2 now (what else is there to do now that we're all socially isolated?) and it sure is different from when I last played about 5 years ago.
@dario110011
What’s the most shocking change to you ? Im curious to know
Dane: time for serious math
Serious math: turrets shoot bullets and bullets do damage
I mean that damage kills people. That's pretty serious I'd say.
I dont understand
That's the Joke
*boolets
Hmmm yes the bullet here is made out of damage
Important point: splash damage
Corner peeking a sentry becomes much harder against a level 3, as a rocket can easily kill you while behind the corner
It's not splash damage, it's the huge hitbox of rockets.
you dodge rockets once, then can cornerpick safely for few more seconds
@@user-25352 yeah, but then you have given the engi extra time to repair his sentry or for someone else to come along and kill you.
@@user-25352 better then NO corner peaking protection
there have been many times where i've wrangled a sentry and rocket'd someone that was behind a corner
Fun fact, level 3 buildings were almost not added into the game because people at valve cannot count to 3. Valve had to call in a consultant to teach one of the developers how to count to 3, but after he added in the lvl 3 building, the other developers ripped him limb from limb for his heresy.
How does this only have one like
:/
We don’t talk about that heretic
“THREE levels?” -Valve employee
Fortunately, they had another consultant to teach them how to add 3 games to the Orange Box. F
I can solve this whole debate in one second.
*Mini Sentry*
Engineer if you say so
Agreed
Well I can't question the engineer
Level 1 best
XD
So basically....
Lvl 2 for offensive (BLU) Engie, Lvl 3 for defensive (RED) Engie.
why would you have LVL 2 on offence?
TTTY 224 some maps you can pre build buildings in the spawn zone
@@flameguy8025 I think that may get patched very soon
TTTY 224 mmm i doubt it will be ‘soon’
@@Niiue good point, still going to get you banned on comp
When I usually play on 2fort I tend to build a lvl 2 sentry behind the desk in the intel room.
Why? You may ask, well it’s all thanks to the intelligence, as it has no hit box.
So the enemy will receive bullets from your sentry not knowing from where they come from.
I shall do this
@@connorgrant9084 beeg brain time
@@ei5859and so will i
devilish
i do this all the time
If I was that soldier, and I just got market gardened by an engi, mid air, I’d have uninstalled the game
BARACUDA!
Market pardnered
@@G_Macks ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Scout mains unite
@@G_Macks i *"love"* scouts,easy to kill for us pyro mains
I’ll sap them both
oh no
No u
im callin pyro
Sap*
@@overenthusiasticblackguy6537 its zap bc he has a french accent
A small missed con for the level 3: Rockets can be air blasted back at the engie or gun.
Pyro:Omaoia, mo shin de ro
Engineer:NANI?
SKKKKRRRRRR
Joey's fan Wtf is that spelling
It's spelled 'Omae wa mou shindeiru.'
average lich protecting the frozen throne You obviously haven't heard of any other language than english
that... you don't spell pterodactyl 'terradactl'
TheMissingLink tf
Another thing is that for level twos pyros can’t TOUCH YA
Unless you are dead and they are hitting it outside of its range with a stock shotgun, sure it will take a painful amount of time to destroy it like that and it will do nothing if the engie is alive but atleast it will destroy it at some point if your dead and maybe help their team a little by softening up the sentry gun, but otherwise your correct
@@eh2587 Yeah and waste a lot of time
Laughs in W+M1
@@eh2587 flare gun
You didnt check behind you. PYRO IS A AMBUSH CLASS
I love that he got iDubbbz to read that
Thanks for the spoiler
@@antonroachy4654 it was the start of the video you spazmoid
arandom Cockroach 0:19
@@PokeTriviaXD fuck i thought it was him using a shitty voice
Who the heck is iDubbz?
If you are moving a gun, upgrade it to lvl 2 and put another 150-175 metal into it, then move that gear up. That way you can get the best of both worlds.
Gun starts fireing quicker and you can finish the upgrade at your discretion with one or two swings
But it will upgrade while you are repairing it in combat. I think that's a horrible idea
@@mee091000 Rescue Ranger
@@mee091000 and the ammo is refilled before it'll allow upgrades
@@Sillimant_ but like you gonna upgrade it anyways why not do it in spawn
... he is the smartest man alive
level 4 sentry
engie could have a new slot 4 weapon that allowed a level 4 sentry. It would be a sentry that moves... i dont know..
O.o *trys to build level 4 sentry* DAMMIT TF2 THERE IS NOT LEVEL 3 SENTY YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
William Nicholson senty lol
It would be mini version NOW YOUR A FUCKING IDIOT ON UPGRADING IT
aka mini sentry
Weirdly the level 3 sentry has a faster firing sound compared to level 2, despite not actually firing faster.
That is called "game design"
@@shad0w137. valve does that?
@@snurt256 Yes. More, than you can imagine. That's why TF2 is still popular
@@shad0w137. Pfp Sauce (Artist)? 🗿
@@shad0w137. But it’s actually bad design… because you make the player think it is a straight upgrade when it’s actually not, it’s always infuriating when games hide info from the player or gaslight the player, it’s not that big of a deal but it’s definitely NOT good design, especially not for a new player.
I've been killed tons of times peeking a lvl 3, taking bullet damage then dying to rockets once I'm behind cover.
Same
Yepi can see the rockets but i dont dodge
M
A V A
then why the fuck do u stand in front of ur sentry?
I didn't even realize this was something debatable. I always figured highest level = best result. I might start leaving a gun at level 2 more often when on offense or while I'm trying to get a nest up. The extra HP is important when you're fully set up, so I see no point in leaving it at level 2 if you have everything else upgraded, aren't moving, and have 200 metal to spend, but I can see situations where the build speed and extra metal for my teleporter might be more beneficial.
👍😃👌
+Uncle Dane get your emojis outta here and back to facebook
+Kevin (Emayerage) Level 2 is a requirement in my book for any form of nest, but lvl 3 is a wait thing most of the time unless your playing disposable sentry(was more common before gunslinger). I usually get the 3, then ensure dispensers up to at least 2 before worry about lvl 3 gun. Also the size thing, lvl 2 lets it peek over most things so its good for surprise buttsechings folks with odd placements ;).
Here is the enemy of your strategy: stupid engineers upgrading you're sentry.
If you have engis helping you, i never complain, they wanna repair it cool beans lol...
4:21 it doesn’t matter how much of gun is hidden, it matters how much is exposed
Well,Every 60 seconds in Africa,A minute passes
NeverM01e it’s not equivalent when the size of the gun changes
@@vodozhaba oops lol.Sorry
finally someone said it
Weapon concept
Scrappers PDA
+50% metal supply
-buildings only upgrade to level 2
Works perfectly as an offensive engi PDA, works efficiently with the Widowmaker and especially the jag, allows more use of the short circuit, and gives level 2 buildings their own spotlight
Oh, and in mvm the metal supply upgrade remains the same, otherwise it's complete downgrade from stock
3 gunslinger sentries available! Awesome!
That would make battle engies terrifying.
This might be the first both reasonable and interesting concept for a pda unlock I've heard in all these years
It could also be dumb, if we could place fifth building, like an extra sentry or dispenser.
@@spyro2002 "What? This piece of poop? Ppfffttt
Look at mine!"
"Pdaaaaaaaa
+Can build 100 buildings
+100% metal bonus
+Buildings has 100% health bones
+Engineer becomes invulnerable when carrying out the toolbox
-no random crits"
Here is a new debate of engineer’s voice line
“Sometimes you gotta use less gun”
Or
“Sometimes you gotta use more gun”
And if that don't work,use no gun
And if that dont,work use gun gun
And if that don’t work, use a gun
And if that don't work, use two WHO TOUCH MY GUNS
Oh , it is you
Question about the larger hitbox: does it matter when:
a) Sentries are stationary, since I always imagined that hitbox size matters primarily when dodging, which requires mobility
b) The sentry has no "vulnerable" hitboxes, like a head which snipers can exploit
Incog Elbowtross yes and no. its simply allowing a soldier, scout, whatever to more consistently hit it. now becuase its a stationary target, sure, but in the middle of a fight one or two more bullets from a heavy could decide everything.
you can peek the ramp for final cap badwater
you can peek final cap rock on dustbowl
and many more!
a scout can do more damage from longer ranges because of the bigger hitbox but, let's be honest, if a scount is close enough to do max damage to a sentry he won't be there for much longer
Hitboxes matter. smaller one requires more skill to damage. and technically the engie is the sentry's weakspot. It's a team based objective game. everyone has a role.
there’s a spot in the intel room on 2fort where a level 2 sentry is practically invisible while shooting but a level 3 can be easily peeked
It's also worth noting that even though the firing speed for the Level 2 and Level 3 sentries are exactly the same, the Level 3 has a noticeable increase in the bullet firing *sound* that it makes, so it can be a bit deceiving. Interesting stuff. Or at least I think so. Hope ya enjoyed. ;)
+Uncle Dane Incoming volvo repair
What about dispensers?
"...and I'll see you nieces and next times, nephew"
+Uncle Dane But annncclllee daannnee... You forgot to mention airblasting rockets :(
That is the main reason I don't upgrade to lvl 3.
+Uncle Dane oi oi, i have a question. what degree did you take?
3:28 i thought it was a tiny dispenser
Mini sentry and mini despensi
@@the_knightcatTTv i need that
@@bug_under same
The dane stack in the background
Yea we need mini dispenser. Heals and refill ammo slow but just like mini sentry, cost less metals
Here's something you didn't know:
Half life 2 Episode 2's Antlion Worker has a very advanced aiming system. They predict your movements and fire ahead of you, making a near direct hit everytime. This is the same as the APC's rocket launcher.
@Poe Soul yeah and half life 2 episode 2 is from like 2007 or something lol
@@terri4994 I was one year old when that happened
no wonder they were fucking annoying
fucking hated those things
Same thing for the combine sniper's
you forgot one thing: sentry rockets can be airblasted, meaning level 3's are easier to destroy for a pyro. much, MUCH easier.
edit: so uhh this got controversial. Let me explain:
I said EASIER, not EASY.
Yep
I would always check if there a pyro before maxing it
@@carsonyeohkaisheng7542 I usually also ask if the pyro knows the meaning of mouse2.
The problem is I’m so bad at TF2 and I have so much lag that it’s impossible for me to air blast basically anything.
@@gameniscord_5167 oof
The pyro would be dead by the time it can airblast 2 rockets, also the engineer would keep on bapping his sentry
"I will bye to you nieces and next times, nephew. Talk talk."
-Uncle Dane the very good sentry man, 6:52
this gives me a headache
*_Speech 100_*
Frog lol it was on purpose cuz if you listen a bit he laughs afterwards
@@HammyBurgerous i think he knew
I never noticed that!
I don’t use the level three for the rockets, I use it for the extra health your sentry gets.
1 time I used a lvl 3 a spy sapped it and I removed the sapper just as the sentry was at 20 hp
If I used lvl 2 I’m pretty sure it woulda died
He said that too
@@yingames275 Yeah it would’ve, lvl 3 is +36 health so lvl 2 obviously would’ve died.
Yeah and the rockets are a nice plus. Why not some extra damage from the rockets if you're defending? Rockets are effective against peeking enemies.
@kenreed2011 it's also good against a heavy
It's also worth noting that that the sentry causes knock back with its bullets and because of this the sentry's rockets can land a liiiiiiittle reliably when the opponent is grounded, because now the sentry is pushing them in a *straight* line away meaning the opponent is now moving in the same direction the rockets are traveling, still not reliable, but it wasn't covered in this video because the medic was invincible in the demonstration. Food for thought
Peter The Homie that that
Totally wrong, the bullets add a velocity perpendicular to the turret but doesn't modify the other 2 axis velocity so, being pushed back makes it even harder to hit the rockets.
@@SVP-uy9qb ur wrong
@@LOLAP95 proof?
@@LOLAP95 proof?
Something that's not often talked about but can make a huge difference is that each level of a sentry increases its turret turn speed as well, which means it can more effectively switch targets and cover multiple directions. A Pyro could run tight circles around a level 1 and never get shot at, and a Scout can do that against a level 2, but not against a level 3. That isn't even on the wiki, but it is an important stat that changes and I'm surprised it's not listed anywhere since AFAIK everyone knows it.
nuh uh
no one knows this lol
Does that include the turning speed when it isn't actively in a fight?
How could you have forgot about the pyro? He can airblast rockets
I play both Pyro and Engie, and I have never seen another Pyro airblast my sentry rockets, and I wasn't able to airblast Sentry rockets while playing as Pyro
they do deal minicrits. I play pyro in RGL IM and airblasting rockets can be incredibly powerful. they're way more predictable than a soldier's rockets so you can airblast them much closer to the source. Gotten a few medics that way
TribeOfKings
Once i hear the beep and start to get shot by a sentry then i fucking kill m2
It is extremely hard to airblast the rockets back while taking 128 dps and knockback
Just bait the sentry into shooting it's rockets, and then step back. Not that hard John Little.
I like how the sentry shoots the whole casing as well. That’s got to be at least 35% more bullet per bullet
i get that reverence
this video has been on my recommended for 4 months now
then its time to learn the difence betyween level two sentey and level three senty????????????????????
Tombstone Jack nah
Vivi'Th yup
Ikr
then. watch. it.
Obviously..
The level one sentry
The mini century is the best
@@summerblade3790 lmao century
@@henovan3179 ikr
Level 3 sentry *smallest brain*
Level 2 sentry *small brain*
Level 1 sentry *medium brain*
Mini sentry *big brain*
No sentry *engi holding frontier justice*
I'm the kind of person that goes to the back of the sentry while it's busy and beats it to death (suicide)
Mini sentry user: lmao hold my beer
*_НУЖЕН РАЗДАТЧИК ЗДЕСЬ_*
nice pfp
mini sentry enjoyer
Nah
I use mini engi
the disposable sentry?
My two cents is that having a level 3 is very important for a truly defensive position that forces players into close quarters, ideally in an elevated platform.
The rocket salvo isn't very fast reaching, BUT it "sprinkles" that little bit of additional damage that either kills surprised players or dissuades players who wish to push past it.
A level two sentry will just as quickly deal with about 6 of the other classes, but the classes to truly do pose a serious threat to your sentry are the Soldier, Demo, and in certain situations, the Heavy, and that's where the rocket salvo comes in handy, since these classes are slower than most others, and the rockets have a higher chance of splashing damage on them.
Of course, if a good pyro can reflect those rockets it becomes dangerous even to the engineer himself, but that's not common, and usually it will only hit if you are in a really bad position.
So I'll put it like this: Level 2's can be justified if the enemy team lacks any sort of competent soldiers or demos that could destroy your sentry.
Slap-me-do
Engineers wasn't kidding around when sometimes you just need a little less gun. Nice.
Nope
Engineer: "The answer is ... use a gun ... if that won't work... use more guns .... if that still don't work ... hmm use a little less gun?"
Just sometimes ;)
+Hung Nguyen then minisentry join to the server
Fascinating. Love your informational videos, especially when you get into the math behind what's going on. Thanks for vid Dane.
+Rachel Nanshija Glad you liked it. :)
+Rachel Nanshija same
+Uncle Dane I love how you search in depth and put humor in the end. You are one of a kind youtuber.
hey Uncle Dane, are you still going to put out that sentry beep music video? :D
+mac77 Kirsh go away scamming knob end
acnke dan whats the difence betyween level two sentey and level three senty????????????????????
CopyCat
That was Idubbbz that said that
*lehvle tree sentree*
+NOFULCRUM ALL HAIL THE CONTENT COP
Woah didn't expect that surprise iduubz
Fun fact: the 8 rps of the sentry gun when multiplied by 60 seconds shows that it has a staggeringly low rate of fire of 480 rpm. Ouch.
rps?
@@verditf2 rounds per second
multiply it by 16 and see the damage
why did engi put such a bad machinegun?
3:38 Ah, the age-old question: "What is the best size?"
I have been killed by my own sentry twice in one gane
Wrangler
@@sandgunslinger2739 standing infront of ur sentry when theres a enemy
I've killed my friend that was on my team somehow?
Don't stand in front of it, easy
@@sorcererz6848 a spy? or you are on a teamkill server
If rocket damage is calculated by distance from engi to victim, then what if engi is dead?
The universe explodes
wherever the corpse is i guess
It counts as far from wherever you spawn back in.
He even said the minimum damage is 50 so it would do 50 damage.
Myko Link Then either they or you are doing a shit job.
"sometimes, you just need a little less gun" -Dell "Engie" Conagher
Hi I'm an immature 12 year old who needs to state how early he is.
+jackson ryan early enough for child support?
+itsFisch anything for you daddy
+jackson ryan You're still pointin out you're early... This is only half satire you know...
+jackson ryan you sure are
+9/11 is my favorite time of the year
ur name gets r8 9 out of 11 needs improvement
Dane, people keep upgrading my gear to level 3 when I want it to be level 2 for the points you've listed. Please tell the engineers to not touch my gun!
NinjothXD maybe use a spray or chat to communicate
I just did it for the achievement
SOMEBODY TOUCHA MA SENTRII
Dead meme
@@nxrtisu ik
Wait did you get idubbbz to record that for you?
One Eight Hundred they're buds since long ago.
One Eight Hundred havent you seen the keemstar song
@Boltz I always thought iDubbbz sang that.
There friends
Yes he did
It seems as though the level 3 sentry’s rockets aren’t meant to kill people directly so much as to incentivize them to move in certain ways. Tracking becomes easier when the rockets are flying, as for that moment you just have to predict what direction they’ll move to dodge the rockets, so you can take advantage of that while fighting alongside a level 3. Actually hitting them is a very juicy cherry on top.
"I will talk to you neices and next time, nephews."
ok.
no, he said "I will bye to you nieces and next times, nephew. Talk talk."
What i learned from this video is that size matters :^)
+Filip Kwaśnik ;) Not for me
xd
+Filip Kwaśnik enragement child
Size matters when it comes to pussy.
+Filip Kwaśnik
So Yoda was wrong?
Wow you got idubbbz to do a vid with you?
Meh oh wow that's cool
Lynx wait do you have a steam account named Lynx?
One Eight Hundred yes sir
Lynx and were you on a pb fortress server yesterday?
One Eight Hundred if I had an australium knife that is called "Gang violence" then definitely.
0:33 oh god this is already to complex
0:21 Hold the FLIP up is that Idubbz?
Yep. Idubbbz is Uncle Dane's good friend.
If I’m planning on building a sentry one place and immediately relocating it to somewhere else, I like to upgrade a sentry to level 2 and put 175 metal into upgrading it, that way if I need to put the sentry down to defend myself it or am rushed to put it down it can start working faster, but I can easily upgrade it with a single swing of the wrench if everything goes as planned
0:34 I like how the sentry fires the entire cartridge instead of just the bullet
"We fire 65% more bullet per bullet!"
@@co_rusut dang, beat me by... like a year.
0:17 Idubbbz?
Yes, it's true.
yes
how did he get him to say that?
they're good friends. Uncle Dane also sang the Hey Now You're a Keemstar song for iDubbbz
Slender Scout heyyy thats pretty good, thanks
Level one does a stack of damage per second
69 year old Creeper nice
Noice
Creepers would get killed in approximately 1/3 s
MINECRAFT FOR LIFE M8
MINECRAFT RULE
I look at it like this: In defensive situations a lvl 3 is required while on offense a lvl 2 is good enough.
#minisentrymasterrace
Not really, in offence a Gunslinger is required
ShadowOfAres No, a gunslinger isn't 'required' for offense. It's merely a supplement for bigger sentries. Also, mini sentries aren't as effective at holding the line if the defending team tries to make a push.
I meant in general, you are much more likely to use the gunslinger offensively rather than any other wrench because the extra setup speed of the mini sentry is what your team really needs to quickly get into an area and eliminate all enemies, remember leveled sentries are used for area denail, to prevent the other team from accessing an area, not for rushing and clearing enemy territory.
Based on my experience if the sentry and enemy player are in a small or somewhat enclosed space then the rockets will hit the enemy player fairly consistently.
Everybody knows a Brass Beast Heavy next to a Dispenser/on top of a large ammo pack is the best Sentry Gun. It can even think for itself, and therefore Spy-check.
+MadSwedishGamer You also forgot one crucial thing. Having a Beggar's Bazooka Soldier clipping with the Heavy is an unstoppable strategy. Engie meta will never be the same again.
legohomemovies1 That... seems like a good strategy.
SPYS SAPPIN MY INTRO
a *spah*
*SPAH SAHPIN MAH SENTREH!*
S P A H
Ur intro?
wait... was that idoopz in the intro?
Yeag
+Jacob Stevenson Hey, THats Pretty Gud
+SwoozX No.
+Jacob Stevenson yes uncle dane do credit in descripshon
+Jacob Stevenson Not anymore
I believe it’s important to note how Pyro can take advantage of level 3 sentry rockets, killing the engineer in one hit, or at least leaving him extremely vulnerable to your teammates, as well as damaging the sentry a whole lot as well.
This is a great video and gave me insight on how to get my sentry into daring spots more easily, but it left one big question of mine unanswered...
ancke dan whats the difence betyween level two sentey and level three sentey???????????????????????????????????
Level two looks cooler
+NinjaDude5x5 no level 3 looks cooler
+My name was dumb So i changed it level 2
+Magical Idiot k i don't want to agrue on this its your decision
Level 2 looks cooler. Expect Level 3's better. Don't argue with me this is the only thing i'll post.
Here's the solution to this entire thing. Mini sentry.
The cancer of TF2
*Looks at a direct hit* AND I GOT THE CURE
The Rabbit *looks at the wrangler* ITS EVOLVING
asme R *looks at spy* ITS GETTING SAPPED
*looks at the ground* ITS G- oh I'm playing heavy
1:08 and this is why you build sentries in a server full of dominating scouts
As a Pyro main, a level 3 sentry is essentially strapping a bomb to it.
6:42 "engineer needs a market gardener"
when it comes to moving sentries to dangerous placed i uprgrade it to lvl 2 and at 175 metal in it so i can deploy it fast let it kill quick then hit it once for upgrade
Derp Scorpion That's actually pretty smart. Thanks man
Derp Scorpion hey thats pretty good
Toxic Tuxedo
I actually do that
Or you can fire a single bullet so it’s 199 so instead of using 25 metal you use 1
Meanwhile on lazy purple servers "someone kill the Uncle Dane wannabe!"
When moving up have a level one sentry one hit from upgrading so it can be re deployed faster if needed
Dane: Purple where is your defence!?
Purple: I am the defence!
People who have seen “how it feels to play engineer” will get this
The best Sentry is the Mini-sentry
Not only that people get *S A L T Y* it also Disposable and Quick
Was that Idubbbz uncle?
Captain Snaz look at the description
Uncle Ian.
i watch this video for 4 years,and i will keep watching.Thanks for the amazing content.
Idubbbz?
Who?
Yeah, he read that first comment. It says in the description.
yep
Yeah they are friends
Luke Adams barracuda
You may have forgotten that a good and clever Pyro can deflect level 3 rockets and possibly kill the engineer if he's there, since they will do 135 damage on direct hit. All you have to do is have a health kit around or a medic, and you can peek around the edge and wait for it to shoot a rocket.
+BonziBUDDY I thought about talking about this, but I've only seen that happen like 5 times in my entire life. It's certainly not a valid reason to keep your sentry at Level 2, imo.
+Uncle Dane Well I suppose it's pretty hard to get the distance right to not be blown up instantly but for the rocket to actually reach you in less than a second and a half . . .
+natchu96 I tried this but it is hard to trigger the rockets without getting killed. Then if the engineer is hiding behind the sentry you have to step out again
+Uncle Dane it's actually really easy to do idk why pyros don't do that.
I agree with Dane. As a pyro, Ive only managed to reflect the rockets a few times, and all of those times were last ditch efforts that horribly failed due to the sentry's bullets.
Level 1 Sentry
Level 2 Sentry
Level 3 Sentry
*LEVEL 35 BOSS*
Lvl1
Lvl2
Lvl3
Lvl4
Lvl5
Lvl.......... 2+2 is 4-quick in mask😎😎😎😎
R/wooosh
Charls Jovanie Bacarrisas *math
@@charlsjovaniebacarrisas7725 mask??
Charls Jovanie Bacarrisas 2+2 is 4 minus 1 das three quick mafs
3:08
Gman: “The right sentry in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.”
What to do as engineer:
1: Place teleporter entrance near spawn
2: Build level 2 sentry and move it
3:Make level 3 dispenser and move it to where they can use it
4: Place teleporter exit
5:Upgrade sentry to level 3
6. Stay near dispenser and keep hitting sentry
@@klukva25 no fuck off turtle
6:49 I hope Dane recovered from his stroke alright
But pros can also air blast the Rockets back to the sentry
pyros*
He knows that... Maybe not
If they survive the bullets
Yea it does not matter because by the time the rocket reaches the pyro is probs dead
Robot Red but what if the pryo is at point blank...
"But an extra *38* damage needed to destroy the sentry." (sigh) Uncle dane. I didn't want to say this but... It's 36.
0:19
Uncle Dane: ancke dan whats the difence betyween level two sentey and level three senty???????????
Me: *THAT ACCENT THO*
Wow ;-;
I love the intro.... " *whelp I guess this will do* "
The level 2 sentry also has the advantage of not being blasted by it's own rockets from the pyro
This is the first TF2 video I saw. Turns out a good friend of mine was a tf2 fan too. And here I am. An Engineer Main, because of this video. I am indebted to this good uncle. Thanks Dane!
Mini sentry:
"All of you are babies"
I actually dont know the pozerups of mini sentrys.
Or 'All of you are weak adults!'
False, spam Mini-Sentries.
The Best Strategy
Thank you, Sun Tzu taught it to me.
+AssassinFOURnolan
If fighting is sure to result in victory, then you must fight!
Sun Tzu said that, and I'd say that he knows a little more about fighting than you do pal, because he INVENTED IT!
Joseph Briggs And then he perfected it so no living soldier could best him in the ring of High tower!
The level 1 sentry is one of the most underestimated things in the game imo
I often play on harvest with the stock wrench and the shotgun and place a lvl 1 in a cheeky corner. People just underestimate the dps compared to the mini
good job uncle dane you found another way to give us more engineer content
Uncle Dane: Places Sentry Gun fast
Me with The Orange Box: Thats not very cash money of you.
6:45 it sounds like an english guys just learned how to say BARRACUDA in lithuanian xD
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Taip
Nobody:
RUclips Auto Generated Captions: this venture going up
I think the best way to put a sentry in a good spot is to upgrade it to level 2 and carry it out to somewhere where you want it to be. Then make the choice to upgrade to level 3 or keep level 2.
No need to worry in MvM
gg
Mata Duk
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Sentry Buster >:3
Basically: The same shit but.
Lvl 3 haves Rockets, is higher, more health and you need to wait ti'll lvl 3 if you move it
Looking at them in order reminds me of Pokémon evolutions
The Pokemart music certainly helps
You forgot the benefit of the rockets missing the original target and instagibbing me as I come around the corner.
Level two sentry doesn't shoot rockets. But that can be good because pyros can reflect sentry rockets but if there are no rockets the pyro can really only w+m1 it or shotgun.
what you do as pyro against a sentry is to annoy the shit out of teh engineer with teh scorch shot.
or get a pocket and reflect with airblast