As a retired engineer myself, I have often advised young engineers that if you think too far outside the box, you will usually quickly find out why the box was there!
@@PeterSigurdsonAgreed. In many cases, the “box” represents decades of empirical data, actual experience, and trial and error. The “Chesterton’s Fence” lesson is to never remove a boundary without fully understanding the primary and secondary repercussions.
Love how he kept talking about how there hadn't been a single injury in 35 years, without realising that the reason there hadn't been injuries and deaths was because of the regulation and commitment to safety that everyone in the field was committed to apart from him.
@@ukdavepianomanit wasn't arrogance. He must have known full well the contradictions in what he was saying but used it to convince people to give him money anyway.
@@tacticalidiots2340 I don't think he knew a lot.. he was an engineer on paper but not in practice.. no engineer neglects the laws of physics.. (or good engineer anyway)
Port Authority of St. John's Harbour sure brought the hammer down on a camera crew doing an interview on the bay while turning a blind eye to a non-certified, unregulated, multi-million dollar disaster in the making. Excellent documentary by the CBC's Fifth Estate. Well done as per usual.
What "blind eye"? The Port has absolutely no responsibility, no authority or control over what happens in International waters. None! Zero! The Titanic rests in international waters and Stockton took advantage of that fact.
HAHH 🎉 WE don't get involved with expeditions that come certified with all the bells & whistles :\ its not like we own the graveside of the Titanic but we are the closest to it that's why everyone that's gonna go there sets out from our harbor. No other way to get to her! ❤
David Lockrige is the hero of this story. Very few employees ever open their mouths and yell "STOP THIS IS WRONG!!" He is the whistle blower hero of this tragedy.
He's not, he's the one man that could have stopped the whole oceangate titanic project in its tracks, but instead he took an out of court settlement to keep quiet about everything he knew, thereby condemning all of them to their untimely deaths
@@Spindrift_Productions Here's a brief rundown of what happened. David Lockrige raises concerns about the safety of the Titan submersible. Stockton Rush sacks him, and also sues him for supposedly leaking company secrets. David Lockrige counter sues. This threat really puts the heat on Ocean gate, potentially putting everything Mr Lockrige knows, into the worlds news media. Stockton can't allow this to happen, if it goes to court, every single safety concern will be thoroughly scrutinized and made public. Lockrige has to be stopped no matter the cost.. In comes the "out of court settlement" If Stockton wished to keep everything Lockrige knows out of the public domain, he was left with no choice but to pay him off, Which is basically what happened. We don't know how much money changed hands, but we can surmise it was a hefty amount, however if Lockrige takes the money he must agree to keep quiet and never mention anything relating to Ocean gate ever again Lockrige accepts the deal and Stockton is free to continue untroubled by any of those pesky safety concerns... You could say he bribed the whistleblower, I see nothing heroic in taking bribes especially when lives are at stake I'm surprised you didn't know about the out of court settlement paid by Ocean gate to Mr Lockrige, I won't provide any links because there is no end of videos online that will confirm everything I've written, and finally curiously enough, the only person who has remained total absent from all the hysteria around the Titan catastrophe is David Lockrige, have you never wondered why this is? It really doesn't' take a genius to work out why
@@Spindrift_Productions I don't mean to be slanderous, I can see how he could have been totally snookered by OceanGate, if he didn't counter sue in the first place he would've faced financial ruin, his hand was forced by Stockton Rush, we'll never know the details of the settlement, but in my opinion, it clearly left Mr Lockrige totally gagged, he's one of the very few individuals who knew OceanGate inside out, yet he's remained totally absent from all media interest and hasn't commented anywhere at all. Judging by what I've seen of Mr Rush, I believe Mr Lockrige has been totally silenced on pain of financial ruin for the rest of his natural life! Nevertheless, having said all that, I could be completely wrong, maybe he's remained silent because he feels guilty for accepting the bribe, and not speaking out before the tragedy occurred...I guess we'll never know
In terms of Stockton Rush, James Cameron said it best. “I think that if you’re building a hull where you need to have sensors to tell you that it’s failing, in the process of failing, you have no business designing subs”. Spot on.
Couldn't be worded better! He shouldn't have been able to be anywhere near any submersible, especially being able to design one! It takes stuff like this to happen for things to hopefully change
Considering how DIY that sub looked, you couldn't pay me to get in that thing. The glorification of risk, the contempt for certification and peer opinion, the overconfidence/arrogance. This has a Darwin Award element to it.
Same here, one look at the DIY look of the submersible and I would refuse to have anything to do with it. I looked at the bits and piping on the outside and immediately recognised entanglement risk. But the other one was the requirement to be bolted inside the submersible with no possible way to get out was a dealbreaker for me. I have a special fear of being trapped inside a small space. The thought of suffering an engine and communication failure, bobbing on the surface yet on a timer of suffocating would be a nightmare.
Word. My thoughts exactly. I watched Challenger Deep after this happened and saw what went into that submersible and then looked back at this one and even though I already knew that the concept was fundamentally flawed, just looking at it made me feel ill. I can't help thinking about what those last 20 minutes must've been like, especially for the kid that didn't want to do it.
Yeah everyone says that now, after the accident with full knowledge of the problems, but Rush spent years deliberately deceiving wealthy potential passengers with lies about safety, high tech collaborations with reputable industry members that never occurred and patents that didn't exist because without the millions of dollars their ticket prices generated, he couldn't build subs or keep his business running. These people were duped
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that as a lowly welder my first thought at seeing the titanium ring epoxied onto the carbon fiber tube was dissimilar materials at extreme pressure and temperature contracting/expanding at different rates creating weak points that tons of seawater WILL find a way to get through.
I don’t know that the Titan was sold as “unsinkable” given that its purpose as a submarine was to sink, but I suppose I’m just being deliberately pedantic 😂
Yes, and surely any sub like that should have a brightly painted top, red, yellow, or orange, to be easily spotted by search n rescue choppers in case it surfaced...??
Exactly, an air supply/quality issue could require the hatch be opened IMMEDIATELY, not 30 minutes too late. A tiny electrical fire would mean people breathing toxic smoke for hours, the fact that the flooring was highly flammable doesn't help...
- Cylinder shaped rather than stronger sphere shape = wrong - Carbon fiber haul = wrong - Expired carbon fiber material used = wrong - Titanium ends glued to carbon fiber haul = wrong - Horizontal carbon fiber weave instead of stronger cross hatching pattern = wrong - Refusal to examine haul under expensive ultra sound stress testing = wrong. - Port window not rated for the Titanic depth = wrong ..Just to name a few glaring issues!
For sure he would have know all this though, right? I mean, he was an educated man with friends in the industry. He could look around and see the errors. Why proceed?
@@willankhatter His greed took over. He made 250k per-person so a full titan is 1m250k that's a lot of dough for like a 5hr day. AND it did 14 dives so that's 17.5M
I know this might sound irrelevant but the mention of culture of safety being celebrated was also what affected Boeing's reputation in jeopardy the moment their employees started fearing for their jobs. Weather it's cars, planes, subs or even structures and buildings raising safety concerns should always be not just encouraged but treated as a duty.
It used to be! I remember in an aviation program I was enrolled in like literally in every single class, every single day, it was repeated for that we are in a 24 hours a day , 7 days a week, first and foremost a safety industry. Corporations cannot just be accountable to shareholders...the whole system needs reform and in the case of Boeing, the FAA blindly trusted them.
Your comment is ABSOLUTELY relevant! Sadly, the "culture" across all the industries you mention has always been profit before safety. Ironically, this would include the Titanic.
Definitely one of the better documentaries on this subject if not the best - not sensationalised and obviously well-researched. I hadn't realised that the St John's port authorities were so relaxed about the Titan - interesting. Well done, 5th Estate team!
@@JackoJackson-v2pso because there were no bodies found there were no cost incurred for all the teams used from across the world to try and look for the vessel? 🤦♀️
If it weren't so tragic, it would be laughable that anybody thought for a moment that a rescue mission could have had any chance of success in this situation.
If someone tells you that you have to pay 6 figures to get crammed in a plastic tube and the only point of entry and exit is a steel hatch on one side that takes 45 minutes to install or remove, don’t go… this all seems like common sense
I have PTSD from a motor vehicle accident. I can specifically recall the confidence and fearlessness I had before the accident, and ever since the accident, I'm baffled that anyone puts themselves in purposely risky situations. My little organism learned it wasn't invincible and now it's driven to protect itself lol.
I'm not an engineer, I'm college educated. But even in the mid 90s, when were hardcore mountain biking - when we bought bikes we knew that carbon fiber options were out there - so was aluminum and steel. And the difference between each was well known. Carbon fiber, yep, it's light, and can be strong, but it stresses over time. And those mountain bike frames will crack at some point. I knew that at age 20. This guy had way more education on this stuff than I did, and still decided, let's do it. Just unreal. Preventable and Rush's company and widow should be holding the bag on this one.
For reals. And just to add on to what you said, carbon fiber has excellent tensile capabilities (aircraft, wind turbines, …), but wasn’t applied/designed for compression. I think that was the biggest red flag for me. Layering threads to keep pressure out instead of in.
@@pageribe2399 it should be noted that originally Titan had carbon fiber end caps. In a scale model pressure test those carbon fiber end caps ripped off the main hull at a 1/3 of the pressure the test was supposed to go to right in front of Rush's face.
It's so absolutely mind-blowingly insane that this happened, pretty much some guy with his sardine tin just started going on tours to the deep sea, and no authorities tried to stop him.
Year ago I went to the Titanic traveling exhibit in Denver and before it started, there was a mini documentary hosted by Bill Paxton & he half jokingly said “ I made sure my last will & testimate was in order” , right before he went down in the legit submersible to see the titanic ! You could see his genuine apprehension but he did go down to see it. Braver then me!!
This story reminds me of the two guys that, without any engineering background, built the 168-foot-tall Verruckt ride at Schlitterbahn Waterpark that decapitated a young boy.
I don’t think that’s fair. Stockton Rush claimed on that website he was working with multiple companies, NASA, and people he actually wasn’t. Rush was lying, using the fact they’d ever communicated as an excuse to call them ‘advisors’ or ‘partners’ or whatever. If this guy says he didn’t know that website lied about him I don’t see a reason to disbelieve him.
Indeed. I noted the outcome of that Virgin Air billionaire upon his test pilot crashing the spacecraft. His first concern and sympathy was to his space program, not to the doomed pilot.
@@M_SC You have to be that way to be a CEO. It's a system that requires that you only care about yourself, whileonly caring about others if you can push them down.
in a way, you’re not exactly correct. Stockton Rush was a very intelligent man, but also very self-absorbed with his own ego, And ultimately very, very selfish.
Rush looked always like a guy who would charge you 250 grand to risk your life in a plastic death trap, steered by a discount Alibaba Xbox controller. Physics, however saw right through his con 😢💀
Fifth Estate always is. While Canadian content might of great interest for an Australian, this content would most certainly be of interest for any journalist. Because it’s 100% researched.
@LadyHeathersLair interesting observation. Wouldn't be unique to Canada of course, here in Australia we've plenty of situations where corporate Australia can be surprisingly tight-lipped when embarrassment/potential liability is on the horizon. It doesn't take a committed socialist to find oneself to be almost perpetually suspicious of the motives and supposed 'social license' of many for-profit companies.
All these experts are giving the right answer to the wrong question. tensile strength of carbon fibre is not in question. The problem is that a tube, no matter how linearly strong it be, can always be wrung. The water pressure wasn't pulling against the tensile resistance of anything. It was pushing in on a tube, a shape which inherently was made to give way simply by twisting a little bit, making distances shorter, not longer, using its tensile quality to pull those indestructible titanium ends inward to help in the general crush.
I'm no expert on carbon fiber, but I recall hearing another interview with one of these other sub companies (maybe it was an engineer? I can't remember now) where the guy explained that carbon fiber is basically a super strong rope. It's incredibly durable when you're pulling on it, but when was the last time you successfully pushed something with a rope?
Comparing going into an uncertified sub, to saying dont get into a car because theres an element of risk....stockton rush seems to forget that cars themselves are certified to be able to drive on the road FIRST 😂
Rush also would fly around in an uncertified experimental plane he built, which he was far more qualified to build. Certain airports wouldn't let him land in them. As Bloom, one of the guys who turned down 2 of the tickets, Rush's appetite for risk far exceeded his own.
@@grimmertwin2148 Please. 44 people have died from them if you search it. How many have died in tradition gasoline vehicle fires? The number is incalculable. You remind me of the covid death tolls. Yeah okay those people died but on the flip side more far more people are dying on the regular from heart failure, stroke, cancer, to name just a few. Same with car accidents.
Yes! There is no excuse for what he did to the individuals in the sub that were lost and to the industry itself. It could have consequences to the industry that could be catastrophic. It’s absolutely disgusting.
There is no Darwin Award... this is getting as old as... one thing is like another thing. Got any originality??? 🤦♀️ Don’t ruin RUclips with this trash comment.
That waiver for the Titan that the host described at 17:53 is insane! I don’t understand how anyone in their right mind would want to go anywhere near the damned thing. I think that Rush was a master salesman who manipulated and charmed the passengers, giving them a false sense of security. The man could sweet-talk and manipulate any situation into being safe!
Ok, ok. Full apologies for dragging an epic piece of gaming equipment into the Ocean Gate dumpster fire. The Atari controller would probably survive on the sea floor at 10,000m.
What got out of this about Stockton (the CEO) is that he did not like being criticized, being told what to do and he does not like any type of rules cause it would had limited him
Treading a “new” path by being arrogant and dumb, like dying on Everest (why would you join a list of at least 322 people who have already died on Everest) is not an intelligent failure. It is an extremely unintelligent failure.
@@sweethomealamanda What's the difference between paying to go on a guided expedition to the top of Everest and paying for a trip to the bottom of the ocean?
He said 15 million people have gone safely in private commercial subs in the last 30 years. Somebody should have told him Disney's Thousand Leagues didn't count.
I was surprised too that the Titian went down 14 times. Might have made it more if ut weren't dragged out and in 360 miles each way. However, sadly, destruction was going to happen due to the negligence.
Not really. The design itself was indeed made to withstand pressures on 4000 meters below. The problem was the carbon fiber, which goes through cycles of stress, which again cracks it over time, until it finally gives in. So it's not a surprise it made it one time, or even 5-10 times really. But at some point, the luck runs out.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver I think you are missing the point. It's not a problem to fill something with air that can go all the way down to the bottom of the ocean, if the walls are thick and strong enough. But the thicker the walls, the more it weighs, and the more it costs to build and transport. The problem arises when people cut costs and corners for profit. Ocean Gate decided to use materials that aren't suitable for deep dives. Guess for what reason?. Profit.
What I don't get is why there are still people going "Well we do need people like Stockton Rush or else we never move forward"... some people are a lost cause I swear.
@@grimmertwin2148 musk has actually done alot of useful things, and has made a difference in various ways. Rush singlehandedly changed the rareness rating of a particular type of accident, as it almost never happens
@@denissavgir2881exactly!!! I’m not a fan of musk for the most part but I myself or anyone else for that matter doesn’t have the right to say that he hasn’t changed the world for the better! Without musk, private aerospace industry would be very much nonexistent. Nonexistent and not making HUGE STRIDES for mankind’s future and survival via space exploration and expansion. Government sector makes strides but at a snails pace and mainly for military purposes only!!! So love or hate musk but don’t even think of saying he’s done no good for humanity
@@MarbRedFred "don't even think of saying" So what happens when we think it? Neuralink remote control explosion? He has done no good for humanity. I even wrote it. How dare I?
Carbon fiber is a good choice for aircraft wings where the material shines for its tensile (tension) strength. The design here subjects the carbon fibers to compression - fibers do not hold their shape when subjected to compression. He didn’t break rules, he broke well established physical laws and engineering/mathematical formulas governing strength of materials in a given configuration subjected to known pressures and forces.
And even if it is strong enough to survive the compression a number of times, the cycles of compression and decompression will progressively weaken its structure
As you say, i compression, the carbon fibre does nothing but hold the resin matrix in place. In the same way as you can't push a string, it adds no strength. So this was effectively a plastic submarine, using a resin that wasn't even remotely designed or proven for the job in hand. The truth is that he couldn't afford a proper titanium hull. So he somehow convinced himself and his customers that this absurd design was a genius innovation, when in fact it was a cost-cutting exercise. Why seasoned millionaires with access to independent advice fell for this message is the real mystery here.
My heart breaks for the petrified 19 yo kid that accompanied his Dad to please him. Even before this accident you couldn't give me all the $ in the world to be enclosed in a tiny dark vessel to visit a Graveyard at the bottom of a cold Ocean.
He wouldn't of been petrified. He was turned into a pink mist in about 1/100th of a second. He didn't even have time to blink or register pain. Not only that but he would of been cooked at a temperature hotter than the surface of the sun in that same time frame.
@@Trigger200284 Petrified also means terrified to the point of being unable to move but I'm going to throw out a guess here and say you already knew that and were making a joke at the expense of a dead kid. WTF is wrong with you?
@@bubonic7952 I wasn’t making fun of anyone? What is wrong with you interpreting what I said in completely the wrong context? I was literally telling her that he died before he had a chance to be scared. The sub imploded in a few milliseconds and he didn’t have time to even blink before it was over and done with. My god.
@@Trigger200284he was scared when he got on the sub…. He said he didn’t want to go… he said it before the dive…. He was only going bc his dad wanted him to go, but he didn’t want to & he was scared…. I think the mother was supposed to go but she was heavy , I seen that somewhere
@@bobgillis1137They likely had no idea what was happening as, even if the sub descended quickly at some point, the implosion occurred so fast that there wasn't enough time to become afraid.
I love the irony in OceanGate's final release statement after the tragedy, "OceanGate is ceasing operations", when in fact the operations ceased you! fools
“You’re remembered for the rules you break” and the LIVES YOU TAKE. He’ll be remembered as an overconfident failure that cost innocent people their lives. Glorious.
Not to mention tons of tax payers money, my thing is, why not have it inspected by an inspection agency? Ur a billionaire, its not like your gona go broke
@@CrustyUgg Or he could have just been nervous for any number of other reasons. Body language analysis is pseudo-science. Different people react to things in different ways and it seems like a huge leap to accuse him of lying based solely on what he does with his hands. He was also fidgeting with his hands (although not in the same way) when he answered the question about Stockton Rush misrepresenting the safety of the Titan. Do you think he was lying about that too?
@@hughmortyproductions8562 yeah, my social anxiety makes me fidget too, and that's even without a camera on me. It's not unusual for people to get nervous while being interviewed.
What is absolutely mind-bendingly morbidly fascinating to me is this series of educated wealthy professionals, who one would think would have at least the slightest sense of smoke being blown up the bum, believed lines and lines of nonsense fed to them. It’s astonishing.
Indeed. This is reminiscent of that fraudulent young lady who pretended to invent the ground-breaking blood test and looped in some rather large names to fund her.
Actually, I think it was recently revealed that two Boeing engineers were involved in the initial Titan designs. I’m not sure how much of their designs, if any, ended up in the Titan’s final design. Once again Boeing lied, this time about their level of involvement in this disaster.
41:37 he'd like to be remembered as an innovator. Now he's remembered as a fool that had taken his own life with innocent lives. I'd love to express my true feelings, only it would upset some people. May the innocent people all 4 R.I.P. my heart goes out to their families and friends, God speed
"In the last 35 years, there has not been an injury on a commercial private sub." Apparently it didn't click for him that the reason for that is because safety regulations ensured that meanwhile he spent more effort in avoiding those regulations than making sure that thing was safe for passengers.
Just the fact Rush actually casually called his submersible a "submarine" on a news interview when those words mean totally different under-watercraft is a sign of his carelessness, if not his duplicity.
@@Pootie_TangA submarine is a vessel capable of going underwater and going on missions completely autonomously. It can launch from its base, go down its mission and return to base on its own. A submersible is similar, it can go underwater and complete missions however it is dependent upon a surface “mothership” to operate and complete the mission. In the Titan’s case it required a ship to transport or tow it out to sea to the dive site, it had to be in regular communication with the ship and when the dive was completed, the Titan had to be retrieved by the ship and crew then transported/towed back to shore.
@@destinyf81 I doubt it's legally okay to name someone as an 'advisor' a) without their permission, and b) if their advice was along the lines of, 'that's bloody stupid, don't do it'.
But yeah that's a shame about the PS4 sticks. The very first duelshocks, up until the PS3 all worked perfectly. Sony decided it's more profitable to create joysticks that have to be replaced every year or two.
I appreciate this documentary because when it happened, I was shocked that so little caution was taken in the construction materials. This helped clarify. Thank you.
RUclipsr, ACE, did an excellent candid interview with, Karl Stanley on his channel. ACE actually goes on a dive in Stanley's submersible as well. If you haven't seen it do check it out.
@@Briohh67 Karl Stanley is amazing. A bit of a rogue himself in the submersible community. His subs are not certified but he is a genius, been building these submersibles since he was 15, over 10,000 successful dives. Ace did an excellent job. 3 videos altogether.
Par for the course. An American finding the best journalists and production in The Fifth Estate. Mark Kelley on this piece and he raised the bar with the Luka Magnotta case. The Jacques Delisle case was outstanding. Kelley's are a master class in "This is how you do it." Lest we forget the legendary Bob McKuen and the Russell Williams story. It was the most intense and riveting documentary I have ever seen.
I thought this too. His wife had recently died and being almost 80 and obsessed with the Titanic, I think he was at a point he didn’t care if he died, especially at the site of his greatest fascination. He definitely wouldn’t have been able to stand up to Rush had he tried. I read somewhere that he was aware this was a dangerous vessel, but at his age and knowing death by implosion would happen so quickly that it wouldn’t be a painful death, I think he believed the risk was worth seeing the Titanic again. Sad, everyone had such incredible things to say about him. 😢
@@Skullswithdronesinsideafter looking into his life a lot, I have the exact same assessment as you. One of PHs friends even wrote him an email calling him out, basically saying "you know as well as we all do that thing is a death trap and you are adding legitimacy to rushes operation" and P.H. basically replied "yeah but if I die oh well" he cared more about seeing the titanic then endangering others. He was just obsessed, depressed, nihilistic and old.
@@evalind8220 I saw someone had said a while back, that with his vast experience, that perhaps he could be of help should the need arise. I can't say whether or not he was suicidal. However, he had to be aware of the inherent danger with this particular submersible, that I wonder if he had warned others including Mr Rush. I don't believe Mr. Rush was an "innovator" because of his reckless disregard for factual data - however, it is still sad that he also lost his life. I do believe he might have been capable of being an innovator had he had respect for factual data regarding submersibles. I guess we'll never know.
If Rush had gone down there by himself and died, it would have quickly been forgotten I reckon. The fact he took people down there with him means that he will be remembered forever.
Listening to Stockton Rush it was very clear he had a cavalier approach to safety. His ''there is danger in getting out of bed every day'' approach is not suitable for this business.
He made a comparison to cars. He failed to understand that cars are strenuously safety tested and follow strict regulations before anyone gets in a car. You aren't bolted inside either.
I would, as that information is good to know. But if their reason for installation was to track the ongoing progressive process of their active destruction, then I definitely wouldnt
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Finally, a quality OceanGate documentary offering new footage and journalism. Well done
The Fifth Estate only does pro documentaries and has been around since the 1970s.
Something extra was going on with this situation
Not just what the public has been sold
There's an animation that shows what happened to their bodies. It looks scary.
@@OutragedPufferfishWhere? RUclips?
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As a retired engineer myself, I have often advised young engineers that if you think too far outside the box, you will usually quickly find out why the box was there!
No one person is smarter than everyone together, and the boxes were designed by group consensus experience
@@PeterSigurdsonAgreed. In many cases, the “box” represents decades of empirical data, actual experience, and trial and error. The “Chesterton’s Fence” lesson is to never remove a boundary without fully understanding the primary and secondary repercussions.
@@bas4241 A corollary might be: Never discount the experiences of people who make systems like the SUD work without killing anyone.
Yes. Don't find out through experience that the box was actually a structural box, literally there for necessary support.
Great thread! Very useful info, thanks Bas and Peter.
Love how he kept talking about how there hadn't been a single injury in 35 years, without realising that the reason there hadn't been injuries and deaths was because of the regulation and commitment to safety that everyone in the field was committed to apart from him.
plus so few people going down there.
Yeah that was striking to me as well. He was using a fact that completely unrelated to what he was doing. He was an arrogant grifter.
Exactly right! It's remarkable how arrogant he was.
@@ukdavepianomanit wasn't arrogance. He must have known full well the contradictions in what he was saying but used it to convince people to give him money anyway.
@@tacticalidiots2340 I don't think he knew a lot.. he was an engineer on paper but not in practice.. no engineer neglects the laws of physics.. (or good engineer anyway)
Stockton Rush will certainly get his wish of being remembered for his rule breaking.
Sad but true. Sigh
Nah, this was absolute sabotage by canadian and biden garbage people
I would never be invited into such a confined space as I would rather be remembered for wind breaking. Too soon?
Rush?...... That's A GIVEAWAY.
@@SofaKingShitWind Surfing?. Follow Throughs?. Fecal Treacle?.
Port Authority of St. John's Harbour sure brought the hammer down on a camera crew doing an interview on the bay while turning a blind eye to a non-certified, unregulated, multi-million dollar disaster in the making. Excellent documentary by the CBC's Fifth Estate. Well done as per usual.
What "blind eye"? The Port has absolutely no responsibility, no authority or control over what happens in International waters. None! Zero! The Titanic rests in international waters and Stockton took advantage of that fact.
Good point.
I have always liked CBC. Thorough and professional.
HAHH 🎉 WE don't get involved with expeditions that come certified with all the bells & whistles :\ its not like we own the graveside of the Titanic but we are the closest to it that's why everyone that's gonna go there sets out from our harbor. No other way to get to her! ❤
@@stephaniekaye235odd thing to be prideful of.
No hi-viz vest and / or safety helmet
David Lockrige is the hero of this story. Very few employees ever open their mouths and yell "STOP THIS IS WRONG!!" He is the whistle blower hero of this tragedy.
David? The one that took the money and RAN?!?! That lawsuit was for HIM to get paid, how did it stop them or save anyone? He's a FRAUD!
He's not, he's the one man that could have stopped the whole oceangate titanic project in its tracks, but instead he took an out of court settlement to keep quiet about everything he knew, thereby condemning all of them to their untimely deaths
@@Spindrift_Productions
Here's a brief rundown of what happened.
David Lockrige raises concerns about the safety of the Titan submersible.
Stockton Rush sacks him, and also sues him for supposedly leaking company secrets.
David Lockrige counter sues.
This threat really puts the heat on Ocean gate, potentially putting everything Mr Lockrige knows, into the worlds news media.
Stockton can't allow this to happen, if it goes to court, every single safety concern will be thoroughly scrutinized and made public.
Lockrige has to be stopped no matter the cost..
In comes the "out of court settlement"
If Stockton wished to keep everything Lockrige knows out of the public domain, he was left with no choice but to pay him off,
Which is basically what happened.
We don't know how much money changed hands, but we can surmise it was a hefty amount, however if Lockrige takes the money he must agree to keep quiet and never mention anything relating to Ocean gate ever again
Lockrige accepts the deal and Stockton is free to continue untroubled by any of those pesky safety concerns...
You could say he bribed the whistleblower, I see nothing heroic in taking bribes especially when lives are at stake
I'm surprised you didn't know about the out of court settlement paid by Ocean gate to Mr Lockrige,
I won't provide any links because there is no end of videos online that will confirm everything I've written, and finally curiously enough, the only person who has remained total absent from all the hysteria around the Titan catastrophe is David Lockrige, have you never wondered why this is?
It really doesn't' take a genius to work out why
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It's public knowledge, you can find it anywhere, he basically took an out of court settlement (bribe) to keep his mouth shut
@@Spindrift_Productions
I don't mean to be slanderous, I can see how he could have been totally snookered by OceanGate, if he didn't counter sue in the first place he would've faced financial ruin, his hand was forced by Stockton Rush, we'll never know the details of the settlement, but in my opinion, it clearly left Mr Lockrige totally gagged, he's one of the very few individuals who knew OceanGate inside out, yet he's remained totally absent from all media interest and hasn't commented anywhere at all.
Judging by what I've seen of Mr Rush, I believe Mr Lockrige has been totally silenced on pain of financial ruin for the rest of his natural life!
Nevertheless, having said all that, I could be completely wrong, maybe he's remained silent because he feels guilty for accepting the bribe, and not speaking out before the tragedy occurred...I guess we'll never know
The "Unthinkable" now lies next to the "Unsinkable".
It blew up into a million pieces. It’s remains are floating in the ocean who knows where…
Sea animals had eaten all those million flesh pieces … except junks..
Absolutely great reply, nothing else needs saying 👍
Clever yet true!🇺🇸🇫🇷🇺🇸
Ah...that was a clever comment.
In terms of Stockton Rush, James Cameron said it best. “I think that if you’re building a hull where you need to have sensors to tell you that it’s failing, in the process of failing, you have no business designing subs”. Spot on.
Couldn't be worded better! He shouldn't have been able to be anywhere near any submersible, especially being able to design one! It takes stuff like this to happen for things to hopefully change
James is talking after is it happened
Smear job on rush. Ambush journalism by glorified RUclipsrs.
@user-bd3zy6wo7l he was warned multiple times and refused to listen and fired those who tried to warn him
when was this,think after the fact?
the fact that its called Oceangate before the controversy lol
Doomed from the start ...
@@evonekky3672 AND to name it the Titan... just omen upon omen proving he didn't learn anything from history
@@samanthashedd3975and his surname is "rush" 😂
@@sprucemarooserespect mr Rush
This simulation written by ChatGPT
Considering how DIY that sub looked, you couldn't pay me to get in that thing. The glorification of risk, the contempt for certification and peer opinion, the overconfidence/arrogance. This has a Darwin Award element to it.
Same here, one look at the DIY look of the submersible and I would refuse to have anything to do with it. I looked at the bits and piping on the outside and immediately recognised entanglement risk.
But the other one was the requirement to be bolted inside the submersible with no possible way to get out was a dealbreaker for me. I have a special fear of being trapped inside a small space. The thought of suffering an engine and communication failure, bobbing on the surface yet on a timer of suffocating would be a nightmare.
Right! I've seen better looking scrapbooks.
And the poor kid that died? Can you find compassion for him - or his mother?
Word. My thoughts exactly. I watched Challenger Deep after this happened and saw what went into that submersible and then looked back at this one and even though I already knew that the concept was fundamentally flawed, just looking at it made me feel ill. I can't help thinking about what those last 20 minutes must've been like, especially for the kid that didn't want to do it.
Yeah everyone says that now, after the accident with full knowledge of the problems, but Rush spent years deliberately deceiving wealthy potential passengers with lies about safety, high tech collaborations with reputable industry members that never occurred and patents that didn't exist because without the millions of dollars their ticket prices generated, he couldn't build subs or keep his business running. These people were duped
I just can't wrap my head around the fact that as a lowly welder my first thought at seeing the titanium ring epoxied onto the carbon fiber tube was dissimilar materials at extreme pressure and temperature contracting/expanding at different rates creating weak points that tons of seawater WILL find a way to get through.
Bet you're a great welder! Right on!
I’m amazed the epoxy glue joint lasted for 13 trips down to almost 4km below - that’s a win for epoxy to my mind,incredible
Remember, YOU ARE NOT A LOWLY WELDER.
Just what i thought when I saw him smear that green glue on the end of that carbon fiber tube and slap on that titanium ring. This is bad!
Im a boilermaker and i've had handrails Non-destructive tested to higher standards than this sub was NDTd.
There's an irony in knowing that both the Titanic and Oceangate were confidently sold as "unsinkable" to their passengers.
I don’t know that the Titan was sold as “unsinkable” given that its purpose as a submarine was to sink, but I suppose I’m just being deliberately pedantic 😂
Stockton rush was a greedy dreidel spinner
Ummmm … not quite. Titan was literally sold as a sinking machine, a submarine.
So very sad 😮
@@hlowrylong literally 😂 but come on, we all know what op is talking about
The fact that you had to be BOLTED into the thing with no means of escape without outside help would stop me
When you’re that deep in the ocean you can’t just exit anyway. But it’s indicative of cost cutting for sure.
@@ericeandco Yeah, but, what if you manage to an emergency float to surface but need to get out right away? (say fire/heat)
Yes, and surely any sub like that should have a brightly painted top, red, yellow, or orange, to be easily spotted by search n rescue choppers in case it surfaced...??
💯
Exactly, an air supply/quality issue could require the hatch be opened IMMEDIATELY, not 30 minutes too late. A tiny electrical fire would mean people breathing toxic smoke for hours, the fact that the flooring was highly flammable doesn't help...
"You will be remembered for the rules you break." Ohh how right he was.
"You will be remembered for the rules you break." ~ The Devil
Should have ended with;
"And the lives you take."
Respect mr Rush ...
Correct!
Rip
"It was a race against time."
Kind of hard to win when the race only lasts about a quarter of a second.
More like only a few trillionths of a second if we're being generous
- Cylinder shaped rather than stronger sphere shape = wrong
- Carbon fiber haul = wrong
- Expired carbon fiber material used = wrong
- Titanium ends glued to carbon fiber haul = wrong
- Horizontal carbon fiber weave instead of stronger cross hatching pattern = wrong
- Refusal to examine haul under expensive ultra sound stress testing = wrong.
- Port window not rated for the Titanic depth = wrong
..Just to name a few glaring issues!
You Are Remembered for the Rules You Break - Stockton Rush
For sure he would have know all this though, right? I mean, he was an educated man with friends in the industry. He could look around and see the errors. Why proceed?
He clearly knewhe was putting lives at risk, you can hear that Waiver mentioned the possibility of death many times
@@willankhatter His greed took over. He made 250k per-person so a full titan is 1m250k that's a lot of dough for like a 5hr day. AND it did 14 dives so that's 17.5M
Haul? Do you mean HULL ?
I know this might sound irrelevant but the mention of culture of safety being celebrated was also what affected Boeing's reputation in jeopardy the moment their employees started fearing for their jobs. Weather it's cars, planes, subs or even structures and buildings raising safety concerns should always be not just encouraged but treated as a duty.
It used to be! I remember in an aviation program I was enrolled in like literally in every single class, every single day, it was repeated for that we are in a 24 hours a day , 7 days a week, first and foremost a safety industry. Corporations cannot just be accountable to shareholders...the whole system needs reform and in the case of Boeing, the FAA blindly trusted them.
Your comment is ABSOLUTELY relevant! Sadly, the "culture" across all the industries you mention has always been profit before safety. Ironically, this would include the Titanic.
FUn fact: Stockton Rush used old carbon fiber rejected by Boeing.
Be careful. Wealthy companies will take you out. Literally.
I whistle blew on nurses covering up drug errors t Calvary hospital and got destroyed with lies, so...
The " OCEANGATE TITANIC EXPERIENCE " takes you to somewhere you've never been before , THE AFTERLIFE
Lol! So true
"Oceangate" = Watergate. "Titan" = Titanic. "Rush" = we're in a hurry (to make $$), so who cares about safety?
The billionaires could have been better off building their owns subs.
'We'll TAKE YOU THERE.....but NOT BACK!'.
😂😂😂 Jesus
Definitely one of the better documentaries on this subject if not the best - not sensationalised and obviously well-researched. I hadn't realised that the St John's port authorities were so relaxed about the Titan - interesting. Well done, 5th Estate team!
Well said
Other than the segment on Titanic basically being wrong (watch Oceanliner design).
That man actually talked about safety and breaking the rules in the same sentence. I'm speechless.
I have no business LOL…
This is a good example of how stupidity is not a victimless crime
When you meet a cocky CEO of any company it's best to walk away, or run away in this case.
Boeing
You're describing every CEO everywhere.
@@dirremoirelol
Why I will never own a tesla
... said the sour grapes guy who turned down an offer to buy Microsoft for $25/share in the 1970$
Someone had to pay for the "development" of this craft, hence the ticket cost. OceanGate should have to pay the bill for the rescue costs.
I thought there was no bodies to recover so how can you rescue nothing
@@JackoJackson-v2p The company still gets the bill for all the ships that went looking, regardless of what was found.
@@JackoJackson-v2pso because there were no bodies found there were no cost incurred for all the teams used from across the world to try and look for the vessel? 🤦♀️
What kind of value would you attach to the four other souls he took with him? A kid on an exorbitant outing with his dad?
@@JackoJackson-v2p The search and rescue mission was done on day one and day two, Genius. It cost roughly $6M.
If it weren't so tragic, it would be laughable that anybody thought for a moment that a rescue mission could have had any chance of success in this situation.
I do not laughable is the word I would use. However, it just should have not been allowed. Are there any maritime laws against this?
If someone tells you that you have to pay 6 figures to get crammed in a plastic tube and the only point of entry and exit is a steel hatch on one side that takes 45 minutes to install or remove, don’t go… this all seems like common sense
@@cartier13 The resin is a polymer, and could be thought of as a plastic.
@@cartier13 I didn't say carbon fiber was a polymer, I said the resins used are.
If somebody offered me $250,000 to take a trip in the Titan, I wouldn't go, let alone paying that amount to do so.
I have PTSD from a motor vehicle accident. I can specifically recall the confidence and fearlessness I had before the accident, and ever since the accident, I'm baffled that anyone puts themselves in purposely risky situations. My little organism learned it wasn't invincible and now it's driven to protect itself lol.
Unfortunately, it seems like common sense is a rare thing with many in the world today.
I'm not an engineer, I'm college educated. But even in the mid 90s, when were hardcore mountain biking - when we bought bikes we knew that carbon fiber options were out there - so was aluminum and steel. And the difference between each was well known. Carbon fiber, yep, it's light, and can be strong, but it stresses over time. And those mountain bike frames will crack at some point. I knew that at age 20. This guy had way more education on this stuff than I did, and still decided, let's do it. Just unreal. Preventable and Rush's company and widow should be holding the bag on this one.
Exactly, this has been common knowledge for decades.
For reals. And just to add on to what you said, carbon fiber has excellent tensile capabilities (aircraft, wind turbines, …), but wasn’t applied/designed for compression. I think that was the biggest red flag for me. Layering threads to keep pressure out instead of in.
He deluded himself. Sadly, he took other lives with him.
College educated in what? Gender studies or liberal arts?
@@pageribe2399 it should be noted that originally Titan had carbon fiber end caps. In a scale model pressure test those carbon fiber end caps ripped off the main hull at a 1/3 of the pressure the test was supposed to go to right in front of Rush's face.
That shot of them explaining safety while being towed by the boat is probably the scariest footage I've ever witnessed. Woah.
Horrific
That totally compromised the integrity of an already flawed submersible.
Stockton Rush will be remembered for his stupidity, horrific death and the four souls he took with him.
Exactly
Respect mr Rush ...
How? After that? @@KajusRoss-tl5no
@@KajusRoss-tl5no he doesn't deserve respect he was reckless and stupid
@@KajusRoss-tl5no None for him. None.
It's so absolutely mind-blowingly insane that this happened, pretty much some guy with his sardine tin just started going on tours to the deep sea, and no authorities tried to stop him.
Like people who vote Trump
He was in international waters. No regulations. That's the point.
@@grimmertwin2148 I suppose you voted Biden. Perfect.
@@grimmertwin2148 your boy is doing wonderful.
I believe the OP might be insulting sardine tins. As for the political commentary, can’t we be civil and start talking to each other?
15:55 "At some point safety is pure waste" great, just great.
"You're remembered through the rules that you break." What a quote, from Stockton Rush, Oceangate.
How IRONIC hey?
Well he didn't lie on that one
He tried to warn us
"........the rules that you break.......*
*and the lives that you take.
Well, that's evergreen.
Year ago I went to the Titanic traveling exhibit in Denver and before it started, there was a mini documentary hosted by Bill Paxton & he half jokingly said “ I made sure my last will & testimate was in order” , right before he went down in the legit submersible to see the titanic ! You could see his genuine apprehension but he did go down to see it. Braver then me!!
You mean dumber than you.
I mean yeah but that was a REAL sub.
Tens of thousands die in car accidents each year in America.
This story reminds me of the two guys that, without any engineering background, built the 168-foot-tall Verruckt ride at Schlitterbahn Waterpark that decapitated a young boy.
Rush built a mousetrap for rich people.
Mouse trap more like death trap.
The scientists on every dive didn't pay the $250K fee. Paul-Henri Nargeolet wasn't rich.
Rich and dumb😂
@@MakerInMotionand that has what to do with anything?
@@Jordizzan I think everyone celebrating that rich people died should know there was a regular guy among them.
Watching that carbon fiber being rolled into a hull was like watching a horror movie where you scream "don't go into the basement!!!" At the TV...
Perfect analogy
I paused to read some of those docs. IT DIDN'T EVEN SEAL PROPERLY AND THERE WERE HOLES!!!!
@17:36 When the reporter asks about how he didnt know he was the adviser for ocean gate. The look he gives him is priceless.
he's a very bad liar lol
@@arseface2k934Exactly!
@@arseface2k934 noticed it too. his hands and expression 😂
He never was an adviser. Same deal with Oceangate's claim of working NASA and Boeing. I HOPE EVERYONE SUES THAT COMPANY INTO A GRAVE
I don’t think that’s fair. Stockton Rush claimed on that website he was working with multiple companies, NASA, and people he actually wasn’t. Rush was lying, using the fact they’d ever communicated as an excuse to call them ‘advisors’ or ‘partners’ or whatever. If this guy says he didn’t know that website lied about him I don’t see a reason to disbelieve him.
I've worked for finance CEOs like this. Pure psycopathic arrogance. If Stockton had not died on that expedition, he would not be remorseful.
Indeed. I noted the outcome of that Virgin Air billionaire upon his test pilot crashing the spacecraft. His first concern and sympathy was to his space program, not to the doomed pilot.
Narcissism is correlated with CEOs
@@M_SC Likewise with psychopathy.
And he would still be taking idiots' money.
@@M_SC You have to be that way to be a CEO. It's a system that requires that you only care about yourself, whileonly caring about others if you can push them down.
One rule you can not break :
Physics
Exactly
Well you can try. But then physics will break you.
Don't be so sure.
in a way, you’re not exactly correct. Stockton Rush was a very intelligent man, but also very self-absorbed with his own ego, And ultimately very, very selfish.
Rush looked always like a guy who would charge you 250 grand to risk your life in a plastic death trap, steered by a discount Alibaba Xbox controller. Physics, however saw right through his con 😢💀
This wasn't about exploration, it was about greed. Stockton Rush built a sub as cheap as he can while charging people a fortune.
💯 ego case as well.
☠️Final💀Destination☠️
So true. Apparently most of the parts on that thing were purchased at hardware stores. The deep ocean is NOT a place to play Mcguyver
I can't fully believe that, Stockton was reckless to an insane degree but if it was truly and purely greed, why would he go on the sub himself?
@@dairoyx4754
Because the Captain goes down with the ship, the devil is in the details.
Australian here - this was an excellent production.
The fact that no Canadian company wanted to talk is a little suss to me. Canadian here.
Fifth Estate always is. While Canadian content might of great interest for an Australian, this content would most certainly be of interest for any journalist. Because it’s 100% researched.
@LadyHeathersLair interesting observation. Wouldn't be unique to Canada of course, here in Australia we've plenty of situations where corporate Australia can be surprisingly tight-lipped when embarrassment/potential liability is on the horizon.
It doesn't take a committed socialist to find oneself to be almost perpetually suspicious of the motives and supposed 'social license' of many for-profit companies.
CBC is a trusted news source for me, which says allot when you realize it’s a government funded institution.
@@pattiquinn9619 Most Canadian content is of quality. It's in stark contrast to American sensationalism.
All these experts are giving the right answer to the wrong question. tensile strength of carbon fibre is not in question. The problem is that a tube, no matter how linearly strong it be, can always be wrung.
The water pressure wasn't pulling against the tensile resistance of anything. It was pushing in on a tube, a shape which inherently was made to give way simply by twisting a little bit, making distances shorter, not longer, using its tensile quality to pull those indestructible titanium ends inward to help in the general crush.
@@hosmerhomeboyYet I still didn’t understand it.
I'm no expert on carbon fiber, but I recall hearing another interview with one of these other sub companies (maybe it was an engineer? I can't remember now) where the guy explained that carbon fiber is basically a super strong rope. It's incredibly durable when you're pulling on it, but when was the last time you successfully pushed something with a rope?
"Here on the left you see the Titanic, now if youll look to your right you,ll see the last cruise like the one we are on here today"
Comparing going into an uncertified sub, to saying dont get into a car because theres an element of risk....stockton rush seems to forget that cars themselves are certified to be able to drive on the road FIRST 😂
Don't effect Musk and his EV death traps
@@grimmertwin2148 yeah u have a point
He was trying to ride on the coattails of those who did care about the rules and safety. Despicable man tbh
Rush also would fly around in an uncertified experimental plane he built, which he was far more qualified to build. Certain airports wouldn't let him land in them. As Bloom, one of the guys who turned down 2 of the tickets, Rush's appetite for risk far exceeded his own.
@@grimmertwin2148 Please. 44 people have died from them if you search it. How many have died in tradition gasoline vehicle fires? The number is incalculable.
You remind me of the covid death tolls. Yeah okay those people died but on the flip side more far more people are dying on the regular from heart failure, stroke, cancer, to name just a few. Same with car accidents.
Rush uses the safety record of others to sell his unsafe one. Despicable.
And now he's bringing theirs down with him
Yes! There is no excuse for what he did to the individuals in the sub that were lost and to the industry itself. It could have consequences to the industry that could be catastrophic. It’s absolutely disgusting.
Rush certainly didn't leave a legacy he could be proud of.He disrespected the power of the ocean and payed the price for it.
Stockton Rush, the Darwin Award winner of 2023.
Watch OceanGate add "Award Winning" to their website now.
There is no Darwin Award...
this is getting as old as...
one thing is like another thing.
Got any originality??? 🤦♀️
Don’t ruin RUclips with this trash comment.
2023? More like of the 21nd century.
Darwin Award Allstar
@@esteemedmortal5917 I said Darwin I’m sooooo smart 🤦♀️
That waiver for the Titan that the host described at 17:53 is insane! I don’t understand how anyone in their right mind would want to go anywhere near the damned thing. I think that Rush was a master salesman who manipulated and charmed the passengers, giving them a false sense of security. The man could sweet-talk and manipulate any situation into being safe!
Not really how? Look at 2 of his passengers. " Mr. Titanic " himself went down regularly
I don't think waiver would raise alarm bells. Because even for scuba diving one has to sign waiver.
He was reckless with other people's lives and that is unforgivable
Everyone knew the risk and signed a waiver stating in depth death was highly probable
All corporations are. That's why regulations exist.
Stop pretending anything different.
@@duro845 Rush lied about the craft.
@@Loralanthalas Really? Lots of food manufacturers go to extreme lengths for safety of food.
Everyone on this vessel went of their own free will, agreed to disclosure / liability conditions, and paid an agreed upon price
"...and you'll see we control the sub with an old Atari 1200 joystick i found at the dump...."
"and here we can see the super glue and wads of used chewing gum I used to fasten the ceiling fan, uh... I man, propeller to the submarine.
If you continue to soil Atari's name with your poor humor about Death, I will be forced to make fun of your mommy.
You know that atari controller still works. You can hammer nails with those things all day and still have it cut dead center everytime.
Ok, ok. Full apologies for dragging an epic piece of gaming equipment into the Ocean Gate dumpster fire. The Atari controller would probably survive on the sea floor at 10,000m.
@@nopamineLevel100, the Internet Council will meet to determine whether your apology merits forgiveness
He SMILED when he said you'll be remembered for the rules you break.
I guess he's getting exactly what he wanted then, unfortunately for all of those who were on the trip with him.
The same smile of a serial killer, probably
And later on, Darwin smiled
He got that right.
15:54 ¨At some point, safety is pure waste¨...well, that thinking sent you straight to death
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💯 FACTS!!! And I live in the States.
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@willankhatter. 🇨🇦Alberta
Always interesting stuff! Go CBC!
Agree! 🏴UK
Wow… the crack counter, the game controller, towing the sub to titanic… so much negligence it was destined to fail
The controller was the best working object in that tin can coffin. 😂
Right and the cost !!!!
What got out of this about Stockton (the CEO) is that he did not like being criticized, being told what to do and he does not like any type of rules cause it would had limited him
He could have achieved it, but apparently he couldn't wait.
@@SeanBordelon mann if the whole entire industry is telling you that this is wrong and not the way to go , the implosion was BOUND TO HAPPEN
Now his death will be a memorial made of criticizing, instructional on what not to do and what rules he broke.
It's impossible to stomach guys who refer to Stockton Rush as "smart" or "intelligent".
You can be intelligent but lack logic and common sense, clearly you lack all 3
Treading a “new” path by being arrogant and dumb, like dying on Everest (why would you join a list of at least 322 people who have already died on Everest) is not an intelligent failure. It is an extremely unintelligent failure.
Don't confuse smart and intelligent with sensible. Rush was certainly intelligent, but was also a risk taker, a potentially dangerous combination.
@@sweethomealamanda What's the difference between paying to go on a guided expedition to the top of Everest and paying for a trip to the bottom of the ocean?
@@hosmerhomeboy Yes. But I never induced others to follow me on that "new path".
So glad to see the intricacies and lessons of this tragedy still being covered. Thank you, Fifth Estate!
He said 15 million people have gone safely in private commercial subs in the last 30 years. Somebody should have told him Disney's Thousand Leagues didn't count.
It's amazing that it even made it once
It made it like 40x way more then once. The creator of the Simpsons had been on it
I was surprised too that the Titian went down 14 times. Might have made it more if ut weren't dragged out and in 360 miles each way. However, sadly, destruction was going to happen due to the negligence.
Not really. The design itself was indeed made to withstand pressures on 4000 meters below. The problem was the carbon fiber, which goes through cycles of stress, which again cracks it over time, until it finally gives in. So it's not a surprise it made it one time, or even 5-10 times really. But at some point, the luck runs out.
@@FabledGentleman Oh, sure. My 'design' can go to the core of the Sun.
@@RideAcrossTheRiver I think you are missing the point. It's not a problem to fill something with air that can go all the way down to the bottom of the ocean, if the walls are thick and strong enough.
But the thicker the walls, the more it weighs, and the more it costs to build and transport. The problem arises when people cut costs and corners for profit.
Ocean Gate decided to use materials that aren't suitable for deep dives. Guess for what reason?. Profit.
What I don't get is why there are still people going "Well we do need people like Stockton Rush or else we never move forward"... some people are a lost cause I swear.
Like Musk
Yup.
@@grimmertwin2148 musk has actually done alot of useful things, and has made a difference in various ways. Rush singlehandedly changed the rareness rating of a particular type of accident, as it almost never happens
@@denissavgir2881exactly!!! I’m not a fan of musk for the most part but I myself or anyone else for that matter doesn’t have the right to say that he hasn’t changed the world for the better! Without musk, private aerospace industry would be very much nonexistent. Nonexistent and not making HUGE STRIDES for mankind’s future and survival via space exploration and expansion. Government sector makes strides but at a snails pace and mainly for military purposes only!!! So love or hate musk but don’t even think of saying he’s done no good for humanity
@@MarbRedFred "don't even think of saying" So what happens when we think it? Neuralink remote control explosion? He has done no good for humanity. I even wrote it. How dare I?
In the words of Count Dooku: "Twice the Pride, Double the Fall.
In the words of Saruman:"So you have chosen death!"
Carbon fiber is a good choice for aircraft wings where the material shines for its tensile (tension) strength. The design here subjects the carbon fibers to compression - fibers do not hold their shape when subjected to compression.
He didn’t break rules, he broke well established physical laws and engineering/mathematical formulas governing strength of materials in a given configuration subjected to known pressures and forces.
And even if it is strong enough to survive the compression a number of times, the cycles of compression and decompression will progressively weaken its structure
Correction: Tried and failed to break well-established physical laws. The physics broke him and his victims instead.
As you say, i compression, the carbon fibre does nothing but hold the resin matrix in place. In the same way as you can't push a string, it adds no strength. So this was effectively a plastic submarine, using a resin that wasn't even remotely designed or proven for the job in hand.
The truth is that he couldn't afford a proper titanium hull. So he somehow convinced himself and his customers that this absurd design was a genius innovation, when in fact it was a cost-cutting exercise. Why seasoned millionaires with access to independent advice fell for this message is the real mystery here.
Definitely a must see documentary for those following the Oceangate tragedy.
Why? Main lesson leave Mothernature alone Stupid!∆
Zero chance I would have gotten on that thing. RIP to those who lost their lives.
My heart breaks for the petrified 19 yo kid that accompanied his Dad to please him. Even before this accident you couldn't give me all the $ in the world to be enclosed in a tiny dark vessel to visit a Graveyard at the bottom of a cold Ocean.
He wouldn't of been petrified. He was turned into a pink mist in about 1/100th of a second. He didn't even have time to blink or register pain. Not only that but he would of been cooked at a temperature hotter than the surface of the sun in that same time frame.
@@Trigger200284 Petrified also means terrified to the point of being unable to move but I'm going to throw out a guess here and say you already knew that and were making a joke at the expense of a dead kid. WTF is wrong with you?
@@bubonic7952 I wasn’t making fun of anyone? What is wrong with you interpreting what I said in completely the wrong context?
I was literally telling her that he died before he had a chance to be scared.
The sub imploded in a few milliseconds and he didn’t have time to even blink before it was over and done with.
My god.
@@Trigger200284he was scared when he got on the sub…. He said he didn’t want to go… he said it before the dive…. He was only going bc his dad wanted him to go, but he didn’t want to & he was scared…. I think the mother was supposed to go but she was heavy , I seen that somewhere
Just goes to show to much money can buy you an early grave sometimes I thank god I don’t have that problem!!
I express a lot of grief only for 19 year old, Suleman who was reluctant to join his dad :(
Indeed. Imagine how bad his Dad must have felt when their fate became evident.
Ok Jhalesh😂
😢
the only smart person was the kid who new better!!
@@bobgillis1137They likely had no idea what was happening as, even if the sub descended quickly at some point, the implosion occurred so fast that there wasn't enough time to become afraid.
I love the irony in OceanGate's final release statement after the tragedy, "OceanGate is ceasing operations", when in fact the operations ceased you! fools
"You are remembered for the rules you break"
Oh yes, Rush, you are.
“You’re remembered for the rules you break” and the LIVES YOU TAKE. He’ll be remembered as an overconfident failure that cost innocent people their lives. Glorious.
Every rule you break, every life you take 🎵 The world will watching you on TV…
Not to mention tons of tax payers money, my thing is, why not have it inspected by an inspection agency? Ur a billionaire, its not like your gona go broke
Innocent?
@@samsangiorgi5620Because he was told many times that carbon fiber was not suitable to that depth
Respect mr Rush!
You are remembered for the rules that you break.
Also for the rules that break you.
“I did not know I was an advisor”… “you were listed as an advisor”… “oh really?- thank you” 👁️👁️
Did you notice how he was fidgeting with his hands?
@@kugan5027 yea I was wondering what that could’ve meant
@@YeaYeaOKBUTI've always been pretty good at reading people and am interested in body language.. I feel comfortable saying he is lying
@@CrustyUgg Or he could have just been nervous for any number of other reasons. Body language analysis is pseudo-science. Different people react to things in different ways and it seems like a huge leap to accuse him of lying based solely on what he does with his hands.
He was also fidgeting with his hands (although not in the same way) when he answered the question about Stockton Rush misrepresenting the safety of the Titan. Do you think he was lying about that too?
@@hughmortyproductions8562 yeah, my social anxiety makes me fidget too, and that's even without a camera on me. It's not unusual for people to get nervous while being interviewed.
What is absolutely mind-bendingly morbidly fascinating to me is this series of educated wealthy professionals, who one would think would have at least the slightest sense of smoke being blown up the bum, believed lines and lines of nonsense fed to them. It’s astonishing.
Being rich doesn’t make you smart!
Look who supports Trump
Kinda like cov?
Indeed. This is reminiscent of that fraudulent young lady who pretended to invent the ground-breaking blood test and looped in some rather large names to fund her.
It happened throughout the Covid Plandemic, so I'm absolutely NOT surprised.
16:56 "Boeing was not a partner on the Titan and did not design or build it."
Well that's the end of one theory as to what went wrong.
Actually, I think it was recently revealed that two Boeing engineers were involved in the initial Titan designs. I’m not sure how much of their designs, if any, ended up in the Titan’s final design. Once again Boeing lied, this time about their level of involvement in this disaster.
Turns my stomach inside out thinking about what those poor passengers went through
It was instant - wouldn’t feel a thing.
These passengers weren't poor
Can't help but think that if he hadn't been onboard, he'd fill the airways with interviews blaming everyone but himself.
41:37 he'd like to be remembered as an innovator. Now he's remembered as a fool that had taken his own life with innocent lives.
I'd love to express my true feelings, only it would upset some people.
May the innocent people all 4 R.I.P. my heart goes out to their families and friends,
God speed
American here. I love this program( 5th E).
Very good investigation journalist.
Ditto!
"Ive broken some rules to make this." Oh dear, very ominous
"In the last 35 years, there has not been an injury on a commercial private sub." Apparently it didn't click for him that the reason for that is because safety regulations ensured that meanwhile he spent more effort in avoiding those regulations than making sure that thing was safe for passengers.
Just the fact Rush actually casually called his submersible a "submarine" on a news interview when those words mean totally different under-watercraft is a sign of his carelessness, if not his duplicity.
When you're talking to the general public you have to really dumb down the terminology.
@@LuvBorderColliesit looks like he also decided to dumb down the tech and safety in this deathtrap as well.
What is the difference?
@@Pootie_TangA submarine is a vessel capable of going underwater and going on missions completely autonomously. It can launch from its base, go down its mission and return to base on its own.
A submersible is similar, it can go underwater and complete missions however it is dependent upon a surface “mothership” to operate and complete the mission. In the Titan’s case it required a ship to transport or tow it out to sea to the dive site, it had to be in regular communication with the ship and when the dive was completed, the Titan had to be retrieved by the ship and crew then transported/towed back to shore.
@@mikoto7693thank you! I appreciate you taking the time.
"No I did not know I was listed as an advisor"... (Thinks: I'll be phoning my lawyer on Monday!)
he's an advisor- a man who advised them to discontinue use of the titan and advised against using the carbon fiber hull.
@@destinyf81 Not that Stockton Rush specified that!
@@destinyf81 I doubt it's legally okay to name someone as an 'advisor' a) without their permission, and b) if their advice was along the lines of, 'that's bloody stupid, don't do it'.
Couple of spare game controllers, now that's reassuring.
Considering how those PS4 controllers develop stick drift, it's not reassuring at all.
But yeah that's a shame about the PS4 sticks. The very first duelshocks, up until the PS3 all worked perfectly. Sony decided it's more profitable to create joysticks that have to be replaced every year or two.
The fifth estate has always been top notch!! Great docu
I appreciate this documentary because when it happened, I was shocked that so little caution was taken in the construction materials. This helped clarify. Thank you.
That yellow bubble submersible looks like fun and exciting.
I think it would be cool to scoot around the great lakes in that thing.
Out of all the videos out there about the titan, this video is by far the best one. Very informative. 👍
RUclipsr, ACE, did an excellent candid interview with, Karl Stanley on his channel. ACE actually goes on a dive in Stanley's submersible as well. If you haven't seen it do check it out.
@@zsigzsag I haven't seen that one yet. I'll be sure to check it out, thank you!
@@Briohh67 Karl Stanley is amazing. A bit of a rogue himself in the submersible community. His subs are not certified but he is a genius, been building these submersibles since he was 15, over 10,000 successful dives. Ace did an excellent job. 3 videos altogether.
"How many atmospheres can this ship handle?"
"Well, it's a spaceship, so between zero and one."
Par for the course. An American finding the best journalists and production in The Fifth Estate. Mark Kelley on this piece and he raised the bar with the Luka Magnotta case. The Jacques Delisle case was outstanding. Kelley's are a master class in "This is how you do it." Lest we forget the legendary Bob McKuen and the Russell Williams story. It was the most intense and riveting documentary I have ever seen.
Being bolted in from the outside.. that’s insane.
That’s what I thought..
Yikes. No way 😮
And putting the bolts on sequentially!
Thanks Fifth Estate, there was a lack of Titan sub videos already we needed this
This is by far the best one out there.
@@pippa3150 Yeah, I keep watching this one over the others.
I would’ve liked to see an analysis of the cost difference between the Titan and other subs that were certified to withstand 10km depth.
I never understood why this PH guy went. He was so well respected in that community. Everyone says he should have known better.
I thought this too. His wife had recently died and being almost 80 and obsessed with the Titanic, I think he was at a point he didn’t care if he died, especially at the site of his greatest fascination. He definitely wouldn’t have been able to stand up to Rush had he tried. I read somewhere that he was aware this was a dangerous vessel, but at his age and knowing death by implosion would happen so quickly that it wouldn’t be a painful death, I think he believed the risk was worth seeing the Titanic again. Sad, everyone had such incredible things to say about him. 😢
@@Skullswithdronesinsideafter looking into his life a lot, I have the exact same assessment as you. One of PHs friends even wrote him an email calling him out, basically saying "you know as well as we all do that thing is a death trap and you are adding legitimacy to rushes operation" and P.H. basically replied "yeah but if I die oh well" he cared more about seeing the titanic then endangering others. He was just obsessed, depressed, nihilistic and old.
I've read that he went in case something went wtong that he might be able to help.
He was a grieving widower, certainly suicider
@@evalind8220 I saw someone had said a while back, that with his vast experience, that perhaps he could be of help should the need arise. I can't say whether or not he was suicidal. However, he had to be aware of the inherent danger with this particular submersible, that I wonder if he had warned others including Mr Rush. I don't believe Mr. Rush was an "innovator" because of his reckless disregard for factual data - however, it is still sad that he also lost his life. I do believe he might have been capable of being an innovator had he had respect for factual data regarding submersibles. I guess we'll never know.
I’m so glad this is being discussed
This story has deeply disturbed me and struck me as criminal from the moment it broke.
the titan didn’t even look nice to be in as there was a tiny window but the one by seamagine looks so stunning and can be viewed all round!
If Rush had gone down there by himself and died, it would have quickly been forgotten I reckon. The fact he took people down there with him means that he will be remembered forever.
Dont forget net worth it makes for a better story. Without it and titanic story wouldn't of been international news
Especially knowing the 19 year old had his whole life ahead of him.
@@duro845 Rush by himself wouldn't have made much news either, it was the paying passengers that turned it into a frenzy
for all the wrong reasons though,
This is the best report that I have seen on the Titan tragedy. So well done.
Imagine your great great grandparents die on the Titanic, and then 111 years later your husband does too.... Thats crazy.
That family is cursed.
Superb work by Mark Kelley and The Fifth Estate team. Thank you.
Listening to Stockton Rush it was very clear he had a cavalier approach to safety. His ''there is danger in getting out of bed every day'' approach is not suitable for this business.
That right there are the words of someone who doesn’t appreciate the deadly difference between hazard and risk…
@@Julia-nl3gq Well said!
He made a comparison to cars. He failed to understand that cars are strenuously safety tested and follow strict regulations before anyone gets in a car. You aren't bolted inside either.
Yes - And when your car windshield cracks the entire vehicle doesn’t implode in a millisecond.
This was the best presentation on the 2023 implostion of the Titan submersible I have seen yet!
I wouldn't go on an experimental plane that had sensors to let me know that the wings were about to fall off.
I would, as that information is good to know. But if their reason for installation was to track the ongoing progressive process of their active destruction, then I definitely wouldnt
Just to remind you that you will implode in a few seconds.
😂😂😂