A 20 yr chronic condition for me but what a video - best I have seen detailing nerve location and pulling the muscle layer out gives me a view not seen before. Thank you!
Thank you, this is so interesting! I have been able to identify with distinction, the pathways of the occipital nerves and other nerves since a car accident almost 20 years ago. What fascinates me is how the nerves travel thru muscle. This might explain why I am an avid fan of morning stretching exercises (for neck & back), before they start tightening up that helps endure, postpone occipital issues till later in the day or prevent them altogether. Mine occur on the left side but this morning I have an inflammed & swollen nerve about 2-2.5" behind my mid right ear that looks like where the greater or third occipital nerve is located. Odd thing is that it is usually on the left side...the left eye and this level of tenderness and swelling in this location is new to me...about to go ice it. Just meant to say that I found this interesting and to say thank you...there is power in knowledge.
Chelsea, I have done more research (on my own , of course, because typical doctors DON'T explain anything to this extent). This is by far the most exhaustive and pinpoint explanation of what is Happening to my Body form the cervical Instabilities affecting the many cranial nerves, and also the Vagus Nerve affecting so much more. Now, I must seek the right person who will address this, and help to correct these instabilities (including Facet Joint Syndrome, where the almost all mt Facet Joints are arthritic). Thank you again for this Video. Please espouse on it and do more of this for all our benefits.
So sorry just seeing this comment! I am so glad you found it helpful. I am confident there is a provider to help you it is just a struggle to find people willing to dig deep into detail and really get a full grasp on this. Usually it is due to time, so I would highly suggest a provider who is not in a big company. Where are you located? There is quite an extensive connection of therapists digitally - I can put some feelers out for you!
@@HiFLEXHealthPerformance You have highlighted the exact spot where I have experienced years of pain. Can you recommend a specialist in the South Florida area?
I was looking for a video to show nerves and trigger points related to the SCM and traps, but this is a great start for that. Thank you! Definitely subbing. 💜
Thank you so much for this information and presentation. It is pretty much spot on with what I have experienced. I think I know where to go from here now. Thanks again!
@@Chiroman527 It's been considerably better. I've been a little lazy about the exercising and stretching I need to do, but overall things have calmed down with the occipital neuralgia. Thanks!
Fantastic explanation. Thank you so much 🙏I have exactly this pain pattern - behind eye, around ear and side of head. What type of treatment do you recommend for occipital pain? Should I try cranio-sacral, chiropractic, neuro muscular...? What self treatment would work best in your opinion?
I have had a dx of ON headaches for over 10 yrs, closer to 12 yrs. I’ve been told by ENTs that it can NOT cause this eye pain that feels like someone played basketball with my eyeball and slammed my head through the concrete for years! You have shown me the nerves now. Ty!
I have this and I have the eye pain but I also have ear fullness and pressure in the back of my head. The most uncomfortable for me is the ear fullness. I’ve been seeing a osteopath and it has helped but comes back. I’m also seeing a neurologist and waiting for scans. She offered nerve block but have not had one yet. I’m not in as much pain as I am in the ear fullness discomfort
Loved this breakdown! ❤ My problem is a combo of this occipital neuralgia (zaps behind the eyes) and my whole body feeling like electricity ⚡️ is flowing through it while it vibrates! AND… my forehead , temple area (sinus areas), my headaches are daily and excruciating! I haven’t been able to find relief from anyone! Believe me…I have excellent insurance and I’ve tried everything and almost everyone!! My quality of life is in the toilet. I’m only 61…can’t sew, can’t visit the grandkids, I’m a hermit cuz of this pain! What makes it SO HARD is that it’s SO HARD TO EXPLAIN what’s going on inside my body!! I’ve read possible early MS to Parkinson’s Why do we have to suffer like this, is my daily question.
Hi, I have had zaps ⚡️ about 30-40 times in a hour.. pretty exhausting it was. And noticed similar symptoms for occipital neuralgia (intense pain in head on and off I think its co-related (targeted especially on our nerves) What worked for me:- head posture, neck excercise, lying on the side of bed facing upwards and head tilted Down (5 mins or more),anti-inflammatory diet, vitD, fish oil capsules. I have also started putting almond oil in nose and ears (2 drops each) before bed to strengthen the head nerves. I hope it helps you the way it helped me. 🤞
Amazing presentation. So which kind of doctor should we refer to. Is it orthopaedic or neurological expert? Can this be associated with Gastric as i have this kind of pain but with increased burps..
Personally my vote goes to neuro based physician rather than ortho! I prefer a neurological focused D.O. Interesting about the increased burps. Makes me think about vagus nerve as it controls rest and digest vs fight or flight. Being more into fight or flight can stress GI and potentially cause increased burping. This is an interesting write up on the connection after-anxiety.com/anxiety-belching/
this thing happened to me, its feel like a shock sensation in head and my eyes moving in particular side at a same time after studying what the problem is i found its occipital neuralgia so i decide to apply some heat to liquify the blood movement around the area and amazingly slowly over time the frequency, intensity of the shock in my head reducing and some neck stiffness, pain also reducing. as far as my knowledge concern the muscle tension and injured nerve healing by applying some heat, but i still prefer consult with doctor before take any step. thank you very much for sharing some knowledge (God Bless you)
Pain and aching behind the eye. Sometimes sharp pain. Thinking it's occipital neuralgia. Must stretch out those back neck muscles as you highlight. thanks
Great video. My symptoms started 3 months ago and they are getting worse. At 2:30 into the video you mention a type of therapy you like to use. Can you please explain what it does. Thank you
So sorry to hear of your situation.i hope you will get better soon.plz tell me how is the gabapentin working for you .I was prescribed Gana.did not start yet.
I’ve just discovered after 3 years of Trigeminal electrocution pains in my face to all three branches that my occipital nerve is trapped at this point and has been referring pain to my face. I was getting over a hundred or more shocks a day. Finally someone looked at my Occipital nerve and I’ve had a nerve block which stopped the facial pain. Carbomazapine stopped working on it. What an awful journey and I don’t follow the usual referral of pain pattern except I get vision issues. I’m going to have surgery on this.
This is great info. You do a great job of explaining how this all works. I initially had severe inflammation, pain, and spasms upper traps, chest, and neck. After 4 months and a couple of x-rays it subsided. I have now been living with a constant dull scalp and eye ache. Everything on the internet (except for you) states it's a terrible illness if you know what I mean. Got an MRI scheduled, Dr not sure what is going on and put me on lyrica. Any opinions on what this could be and recommendations ie massage or acupuncture? Thank you.
So sorry you're experiencing such frustrating symptoms with minimal answers. Personally I think a neurological focused dry needle therapy combined with joint mobilizations to the appropriate levels (determined by a skilled PT typically or chiro) and a strength program that works on endurance of stabilizing musculature and calming down the overpowering musculature like pec and upper trap is a good approach. Of course everything is nuanced and depending on specific scenario. Are you tender along your sternocleidomastoid?
Interesting video..thanks for sharing . Can the occipital nerves or accessory nerve cause ear & temple pain ? Have had several x-rays & MRI but no one can figure out what's going on..so I'm sort of left to my own devices to research . Thanks
Hello! Ear and temple possibly but I would be curious about your sternocleidomastoid muscle. Look up an image of it and do some self assessing seeing if this is tender when you pinch it and prolonged pressure. Sometimes this will refer around eye socket/temple as well as cause ringing in ears/ache in ears. There are many nerves that exit behind/around the ear so some problem solving at play here.
HIFLEX, Thank you for this in all respects. Many , I mean MANY, doctors don't focus on the seriousness of the Cervical Instabilities and Stenosis , and what this does to Occipital areas including the Traps, the Neck, eyes, Cheeks, teeth, to the bridge of my nose, scalp, and Oh yeah.... TMJ big time. I have cervical disc herniations , DDD, facet arthritis to the extent that my wife shoos me out of the room, due to the loudness of the cricking and cracking of the bones in my neck when I just manipulate the neck due to the pressure & pain. . The Muscles are soooooo tight for over 25 years . Surgeons I have consulted (6_) all said : Maybe I am a candidate for Cervical Fusion surgery, success not really certain. That's why they all say: Maybe. I have other spinal issues from Lumbar stenosis, Dextroscoliosis to 25 degress, Facet Joint Syndrome all up and down , arthritis in the Hips, Knees, and even the ankles now. All of this from a fractured right femur in 1966 from a football injury (I'm 69 now), whereby, when the Body cast was removed after 3 months, the right leg is 1 inch short. Nothing was ordered by the doctor at that time for corrective shoes, etc. After 15 years or so, the problems started to Wield It's Ugly Head. This is the best explanation of this condition I've seen on Line. A Doctor Ross at Caring Medical YOutube videos, has enligtened me about the many , many affects of cervical instabilities: As you describe here : eye pain, blurred vision at times, stabbing pains around the face and eyes, ear aches, TMJ, Trap muscles so tight, IBS , Gastritis, numbness / tingling into the hands, arms and shoulder, even an uneven gait and on and off Bladder issues. Dr. Ross depicts and describes the effects of the Cervical spine with instabilities on the VAGUS Nerve ..... The Big Daddy of the Cranial nerves. I've been to 6 different Chiropractos, 6 different neuro and spinal surgeons here in NY : NYU Langone, Columbia Pres, Mt. Sinai..... No surgery for me. Definetely on the the Lumbar spine - way too much arthritis. I'm going for Pain Managmement sessions but have had epidurals to no real help, Taking Gabapentin, and weening off Prozac. Dr. Ross emphasizing Prolotherapy. Any opinions onm that ? Never heard of it albeit it has been around for a long time. THX for this video.
Such a bummer you've had to deal with issues like this! Very challenging and very much impactful to the emotions. Neck pain/head pain is very hard to ignore! You are spot on about instabilities leading to many, many other issues. Have you been treated by a well trained neuro focused physical therapist? We are definitely not all created or trained equally! integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ is a great resource for finding a clinician trained in the style of needling I perform that brings significant relief to my chronic pain patients. This requires finding a therapist who will (1) listen (2) not be in a rush (3) be willing to be open minded (4) critically think!
WOW.. you have just explained all my symptoms. You have had for 25 years and mine is 14 years now. This occurred from severe fall on sacrum to edge of step in sitting position that felt cracks to each spine up to base of head. I started massage 8 months after injury when physio will not even start looking at it. Then the injury cover was suspended by false orthopaedic report they sanctioned to suspend entitlements...!!! I threw away pain management pain killers / mental injury as they say that I took briefly from 8 - 12 months. I went straight for massage and accupuncture but did not know these muscular facts but knew an overview these are of musculoskeletal origin that the spinal deficits are irritating muscles and nerves to flare due to repeat turning and twisting causing ligament inflammation laxity leading to muscle contraction and shortening. So it is recurrent problem. Cervical fusion is likely going to make it worse, I think. My young neighbour got it and says pain is 5% reduced. A friend in Australia gave me prolotherapy. It was very good as I took at peak of inflamed nerves symptoms. But lately he gave one but of no help as those flares were not there. Your leg shortening is also recurrent issue. Your chiro would have adjusted it but as tendons are tight and shortened they reappear.
Id be careful with caring medical- they have damaged a lot of people so be sure to google that side also. They market on fear and promise treatments for literally everything..
HEY THERE..........So for several years I get off balance and nausea from my upper right occipital area being tight. Chiro does an occipital lift adjustment and it can help. For a few days. If it gets tight enough or inflamed I will get dizzy just from certain pitched sounds in right ear, if I try to plug my nose and pop my ears, the right one struggles, if i dig into that area on the right just below base of skull with a golf ball, or do a bunch of chin tuck type exercises, the sound sensitivity stops and i can pop that ear. So started all kinds of neck mobility movements and stretches, but i have to do them all damn day. If not, i'm usually feeling boarder line car sick all damn day every day, and the slightest amount of stress, on the job, talking to a lady, in a meeting, it gets worse and sometimes has made me have to bail and vomit. This is ridiculous. It's ruining my life and causing severe depression. I had an mri and it shows some narrowing root passage and some arthritis and disk degeneration or whatever in my main part of my neck, but i don't think they looked up that high. Anyways, it drove me to drinking nightly for two years, because it would take it away, but i started falling apart so now i'm not drinking it's been like 21 days. I'm on lexapro for anxiety and stuff, i just can't get my damn occipital nerve area to stay situated. I can't live nauseated and trying to avoid vomiting every day, i'm single 47 year old that wants my life back and to be there for everyone. I'm seeing a spine surgeon next week. also i can turn my head sometimes and feel a sharp pain behind my inner ear it feels like. I've had bouts of bppv for many years but this is way different. I'm a master at bppv maneuvers now, but this is separate. PLEASE HELP
I'm getting sharp pains radiate over the left side of my head around to the front, almost like a zap. I'm also feeling it sometimes shoot to the front of my neck, left side as well. The point of contention seems to be next to the bumpy bone at the base of the neck where the bigger "spine" bones start, but also sometimes feel it in the occipital location, left side again. I will say this, after a back workout all seems to be good and I can seem to fend off issues. When I do get an activation, it's mostly when I'm bending over to pick something up. But also I've felt activations after breathing deep and heavy where my chest is clearly expanding.
I've had ot many times from my atlas c1 injury .like electric shock on your head. Nothing helped!! Until I thought to use a small Nikken Kenko gold magnet I had I moved it around my entire head .and pressed it on the spots where i felt the worst. To my surprise 10-15 min later the pain went away! Its the worst pain with no relief till this tiny magnet . They discontinued them . But of you can find someone that has some theh must be the tiny gold kenko. Everytime I've had a flareup which is now rare . I get out a kenko magnet ..🙌🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌
@@DSCVsharanabasavaSahukar Back workout I mean torso back; lats, rhomboids, traps etc. The upper traps would engage and get a workout, and that travels to the too of the neck. I took it easy on the back workouts just to be sure. I did also use a tennis ball and roll the back of my neck over it, around the occipital region. I found some really deep painful areas, and worked on pushing in. The pain was a deep pain that would make me feel sick, but also had that feeling of being overly tight. I've not actually noticed any issues, in fact I had forgot about it until I saw your comment. Also, I briefly stretched my front neck muscles. I also did an exercise where I tuck my chin in to my neck (like I'm looking down), and then push my neck backwards to get a bit of a stretch. First time doing this there was a little pop/crackle sound. I think what really took the issue away, was using the tennis ball.
@@mstootsie815 Get a small ball, like a tennis ball, or even a pool queue ball, something small you can carefully roll the back of your neck or head around on. You should come across some very tight spots, work them out. I think I have poor postural issues perhaps, I'm bow getting crackling and popping sounds in my neck lol, but no more pain or sharp electric shots. There is a nerve that goes through the muscle at the occipital location, the small muscle would be tight if you are experiencing similar things. Good luck and report back to us!
Hello and thanks for the video ! I had a question. I have been having facial spasms for about a year now, more precisely, involuntary blinking, but very hard blinking. I kind of make a face like someone in extreme pain, closing my eyes really hard, and I can't seem to control. It happens every few seconds, and the more it happens, the more I get pain down my face, neck, shoulders and arms all the way down to my hands sometimes. Do you think this could be related ? And is there anything I could try to make it better ? Thank you so much for your time !
Oh yeah How could I forget: Tinnitus, bouts of lightheadedness, and when things move too quickly on a TV screen , it can cause some dizziness like getting off an elevator.
@@SelfReflective Calm yourself and get a Brain MRI. I did , and it was completely normal. In fact, my Neurologist (who happens to be 80+ years old , still wears a white coat, and he is one of the best doctors I've seen), said that he sees No signs of Alzheimer [ Thank God for that]. I have been to numerous doctors. But as you do your own Research as I do, yiu will find that certain things as described here contribute to major Miseries in the Body. Check out DR. Alan Mandell, DR. John Bergman , both Chiros and DR. Ross Hauser (Caring Medical) , who is a MD [but to me that does not factor to ME]. The Occipital Muscles and Associated Nerves can affect Everything - notwithstanding my many other things going on. This young Lady is sooooo spot on. Occipital Nerves aggitated by Cervical Instabilities will affect so much as she describes. Look up the Vagus Nerve - WOW
@@SelfReflective Look into Mind Body Connection , a series of books from Dr. John Sarno. And a similar book from Dr. David Habscrum which I just ordered on Amazon. Sarno, who is dead now, and Habscrum, were both orthopedic / Nuero surgeons. Their theories about chronic pain is based on psychological issues contibuting , creating the pain. Not psychosomatic..... but evolving from the mind body connection. Both doctors did hundreds of surgeries, and Habsrum stopped in 2019 based on his findings. He suffered with chronic pain and anxiety attacks for 17 years. I am unable to Buy it all. But Im trying to. Sarno will tell you in his book, Yes, you have herniated discs, stenosis, etc., but the Referred pain is coming from the Brain and Nervous system affected by Past Traumas. Howard Stern swore by Sarno, saying He saved his life. Stern went to Sarnos funeral. I keep looking for answers because I believe they are Out There. To me.....its the Vagus Nerve !!!!!
You can bet on that Angelica..... I have these conditions from loots of Cervical Instabilities from Chronic conditions of Disc herniations and Disc Dterioration Disease... DDD. Fior many years over - 25 for sure.
Is this an app that you’re using or a program that can be purchased? It’s awesome! I would love to use this to study if it’s something folks can purchase. Great video and explanation!
i got sunken occipital bone i don't know when but i always had that from my childhood, and recently it feels like i have something like blood or air (no idea) compressed inside my head and i can feel it to my eyes and inside nose as if someone choke me in my neck and blood flooded in my face until i got red face but can breathe normaly. honestly that's all i can describe because english is not my strong language..
I don’t have pain unless I move my neck toward the left then it feels like a striking sharp shooting pain in upper left neck side or I press down on places In my head then I feel like a sharp nerve pain it doesn’t hurt unless I actually make the movements. I also feel light headed a lot and brain fog
I have all this pain in my neck and shoulder. Across the whole back of my head like this. Sometimes my right eye even gets real red from the pain looks like it's busted but it hurts like heck. Also get a little dizziness and sometimes can't pronounce my words right when it's really hurting
These are the most painful headaches. I do have occipital pain for sure. But I do take Maxalt 10mg (Rizatriptan benzoate) which is the only medication that relieves the throbbing itself. It’s a migraine med but does work for me to relieve the nasty ones. But the soreness and tightness still remain until it refers right back up into the back of my head and over my right eye. At this point in my life I have come to accept headaches are part of my existence. I’m in my mid fifties now and have had headaches of varying degrees since my 20s. If a doctor could find the root of my pain and help me knock it out, it would be life changing for me.
So sorry you have dealt with headaches for so long! integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ if you are in the states, see if there is an advanced practitioner near you. OR if you can find a chiro who specializes in upper cervical spine that could also be helpful!
Many other tools in the tool box besides exercise! PT has evolved extensively over the years. These patients I do not focus on exercise, at least not initially. Main goals up front are to calm down the nervous system, reduce inflammation, and make sure things can move where they need to move....then we work on stabilizing but that likely does not look like typical exercise youd think of. Ways to reduce inflammation include soft tissue work, dry needle therapy, amino neuro frequency therapy (ANF for short), breathing techniques, mental relaxation techniques, etc. Good question! A bad PT will botch cases like this....we are not all the same!
Ideally nerve blocks, steroid injections with a two gap followed by botox injections in the scm, levator, trap should happen a month a few weeks before PT if you have this imo. Not only will it basically cure the symptoms but the fact is the nerves are inflamed a long with the muscles. As a result, PT won't do any good before hand because everything is inflamed causing a positive feed back loop.
I think you are spot on for the right case! Sometimes things are SO angry and irritated that other intervention past what PT can do are needed to help calm things down before we can make a lasting impact.
David I am so sorry I have not seen this comment! That sounds miserable. I sadly do not think I can assist as well over the internet. I would check integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ to see if a clinician is hear you!
I have a burning sensation and dull pain and pinching feeling on back of my skull (left side) which stays almost there and makes me feel better if I rest or go for a walk. I also feel discomfort behind my left side face including eye, nose, cheek, jaw and ear. I also notice some swelling on my left cheek. This has been going on since 6 months and now experiencing tinnitus. Could you please help me understand what might be causing this and what could be the treatment options? Thank you:)
The fact that walking is helpful is a great sign! Walking causes the body to release endorphins and other naturally occurring chemicals that help with pain reduction. I would absolutely recommend having a good PT or upper cervical specialized chiropractor check you out since you are having some facial swelling. Without assessing you, I don't want to give specific advice. I can say that if I were to experience tinnitus and your symptoms, I would check out how to do some soft tissue work on your sternocleidomastoid muscle as well as very gentle work around the base of the skull. Some pressure points I would also work on are right above the inner corner of the eyebrow (you can feel around and actually feel a little dent/hole where the nerve comes out) as well as middle of the cheek (drop straight down from pupil line until you reach the horizontal line of your nostrils). Apply pressure that is tolerable and wait for it to decrease in tenderness. I am more than happy to do a virtual consultation, but I do charge for them if they are over 15min.
@@chelseasmith1556 Thank you so much for your response! Could you please share your email ID where I can explore about the info related to a virtual appointment? Between, where are you located? I am in Charlotte, NC.
Same here ..left side from head to toe sometimes feels weak and half of my head swelling/ face/eyes But this month of December I'm using stc30 stemcell product and its help me a lot
The wiring shematic for this model doesn't seem very well thought out. Hopefully the engineers will improve this in the next design. Any word on when Human 2.0 will be released?
Haha! It doesnt seem well thought out for our current society, that is true! Many things we do really do not jive with the natural functioning of our body. Ironically human 2.0 is on the docket, but more for a transhuman model and not rewired haha. (check out world economic forum article on transhumanism if you would like to dig further into my what seems like a joke but is actual reality!)
Personally I feel that seeing a very skilled neuromuscular dry needle therapist can make a massive impact. It is a challenging diagnosis as it is impacted greatly by factors such as stress, sleep, gut health, inflammation, etc. Takes time to really tease out what the true driver is. But I would absolutely search the "Dr. Ma Integrative Dry Needle" website for clinicians to see if one is near you!
I have most all of those symptoms and pain however it doesn’t affect my eye at all. My mastoid hurts a lot and the side of my head hurts...feels like someone slapped the side of my head real hard with rings on his fingers. Any ideas anyone?
I was a stomach sleeper for 40 years. I probably injured my right side neck muscles, including the Splenius Capitis and the levator scapulae, due to rotating my head to the left during sleep. If someone's cause of headaches and neck pain is stomach sleeping, is the Splenius Capitis stretched? What other muscles could be irritated by this? How should this be treated?
I am a physical therapist so my treatment approach would include: joint mobilization, soft tissue work, dry needle therapy, and progressive exercise along with significant education. :)
same pain I am experiencing from 2 years also taken medication recommended by specialists but not effective for long time, even after taking medication i get similar pain and sometimes it propagates to legs along with pain in eyebrows mucles, traps and just aside spinal cord. can you give some idea what is the course of treatment for this?? now it started affecting my daily routine please provide solution??
I have pain and severe stiffness in those areas. Headaches too. Bad ringing in the ears. When I walk barefooted, I feel like I’m Being punched in the brain stem, n want to pass out. It’s 🍌 bananas!!! I recently had c5-c7 fused. I think I waited too long. Caused all that neck tissue to stiffen and that’s why it’s so inflamed. I even get cracked grinding glass sensations in the back of my head. I’d be walking and feel like someone slapped me in the back of the head, literally. Any advice?
I am so sorry! The patient this video was made for actually had similar experience with walking. He would walk and feel like an ice pick went through his eyeball. Wild! I actually did not see him when he was this flared, but another clinician did extensive soft tissue work and gave significant relief. I would highly suggest a skilled PT trained in neuromuscular dry needle therapy. integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ This index is not fully up to date but this is the style dry needle treatment I was trained in. Amino Neuro Frequency therapy is also a newer treatment and works when many other things do not as it directly addresses inflammation via frequency. Where are you located?
Had everything you did. I had c5-c7 fused. Best thing for me. Ringing intensifies when I get the stiffness in those muscles. Stimulants and lectins ignite mine. Black coffee is still fine for me, black tea will make my neck stiff. Refined grains, tomatoe sauce n night shades, aspartame within a day or two I’m walking without letting my bare heel hit the ground. It’s nuts. If I avoid those foods, I can heel strike like normal. Triggers, avoid those foods n you will recover. That’s my story in a nutshell. I’m no dr., so don’t take my word as medical advice.
Could definitely contribute, but there are many structures at play! I often find if I apply pressure to the rectus capitus oblique muscle it often reproduces a common headache pattern of forehead, around eye, or temple. (if you are doing this on yourself, find the bone behind your ear and move about 1 finger width back and down....pushing in you should feel a small dense muscle meet your finger that runs from C2 toward ear). Worth having a good PT or chiro check it out!
So sorry to see this (and so delayed!). If there is a clinician who dry needles near you I would highly suggest it!! Also, my friend Stephen Dunn, PT has a great video on his channel. Will link.
I would seek care from a skilled physical therapist who is trained in neurological dry needle therapy. That is what I utilize with most of my patients in conjunction with a tailored plan for addressing mobility in the thoracic spine and lower cervical and stability exercises for the upper cervical. This video was made for a patient to review structures we had been working on in a session and definitely is not intended to be a self help type video. It just happened to take off on RUclips because so many people are suffering with pain here. I am sorry you are dealing with it as well!
integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ this is a directory for practitioners trained in the same neurological dry needling approach I utilize. Very helpful. I can ask in some PT groups if anyone is in Toronto!
Sorry for a late reply and that you are dealing with such eye pain. I would suggest seeing a great neurological dry needle therapist. Check this site to see if there is an advanced certified therapist near you. I know the eye pain that comes with spasm to the back of the head personally and it is miserable! integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/
I have burning pain at the base and goes into the midline right of my thoracic and refers to the right blade. I can’t tell if it’s TOS or ON or both. If I massage it gets worse??
I find that excess alcohol inflames my occipital nerve the next day. I have also found that hard stationary bike riding for at least 30 minutes eases my occipital headaches almost completely.
Hard bike ride easing is very intriguing! Sounds like stability is what your body may be craving. Would work on cervical strengthening exercises like chin tucks, isometrics, and end range control (you may be able to just search based on that -- functional end range conditioning is a great channel). Alcohol is very inflammatory and can definitely make you more aware of neural irritation.
@@JZGreengo I am curious if you notice a difference between sativa vs indica in terms of what amps up your neural pain. Sativa can be a bit worse for me personally. Sobriety may be the way to go for you! Or CBD strains without the thc component that may be what's triggering that.
@@JZGreengo Oh that is so great to hear you had a reduction that significant! Do you mind letting us know what the surgery was for others on here seeking relief?
I have a straight neck and every disc from c2 down is degenerating had c5 c6 c6 c7 fusion last June, My neck is so tight I can’t get the muscles to relax, so Tuesday I’m going in for some occipital nerve block shots for the first time. Mine gets so bad that my scalp will tingle can’t even get a haircut just touching it makes me nauseous and dizzy a lot. I’ll post how the shots helped if they do
I have burning not shooting pain and it’s all midline right and squeezing deep deep. I don’t get referral to the eye just stays at the base. Is it ON? What do I do?
First i felt a pressure in my ears, then the ringing, then one night I felt an electric shock behind head. My neck cracks. The back of my head hurts and feeling of burning sensation in my ears. Is this neuralgia?
You’re the first person who’s ever said anything about pressure in ears. I experience it too . I get a stabbing feeling in my ears and in my neck. Kind of feels like an ongoing ear infection. I was diagnosed with occipital neuralgia my pain has never went away.
@@TiaraRoyal33 Did you try going for a brain MRI ? To get to the root cause... Apart from what the doctor diagnosed because he also diagnosed me but I went for an MRI 2 days after
@@maseramekekana1992 I’m literally arguing with a neurologist because he said from another neurologist notes it looks like there would be no point for one. I have had one since 2020 & I just wanted to know if anything has changed since. Today my pain is a lot worse. Just zapping pain all in my ears and around. I don’t think the medication is doing anything for me at all. In just want this to stop and I’m losing a lot of hope.
Absolutely straining during heavy lifting or with the head in positions that may result in irritation can happen. I would seek assistance from as skilled physical therapist!
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This is the best visualisation of the nerve I have been looking for during the past three years.
Thank you ☺
@@AB-xq6hw so welcome! The app is complete anatomy and is fantastic!
God please heal once & forever and bless with health amen
Amen Ive never felt a pain like that and it makes me sweat
Amen in Jesus name ❤ Thank You Father God 💕🕊️
A 20 yr chronic condition for me but what a video - best I have seen detailing nerve location and pulling the muscle layer out gives me a view not seen before. Thank you!
cervical instability.? atlas out?
Thank you, this is so interesting! I have been able to identify with distinction, the pathways of the occipital nerves and other nerves since a car accident almost 20 years ago. What fascinates me is how the nerves travel thru muscle. This might explain why I am an avid fan of morning stretching exercises (for neck & back), before they start tightening up that helps endure, postpone occipital issues till later in the day or prevent them altogether. Mine occur on the left side but this morning I have an inflammed & swollen nerve about 2-2.5" behind my mid right ear that looks like where the greater or third occipital nerve is located. Odd thing is that it is usually on the left side...the left eye and this level of tenderness and swelling in this location is new to me...about to go ice it. Just meant to say that I found this interesting and to say thank you...there is power in knowledge.
Thank you, it is more valuable than what my stupid doctor says.
Chelsea, I have done more research (on my own , of course, because typical doctors DON'T explain anything to this extent). This is by far the most exhaustive and pinpoint explanation of what is Happening to my Body form the cervical Instabilities affecting the many cranial nerves, and also the Vagus Nerve affecting so much more. Now, I must seek the right person who will address this, and help to correct these instabilities (including Facet Joint Syndrome, where the almost all mt Facet Joints are arthritic). Thank you again for this Video. Please espouse on it and do more of this for all our benefits.
So sorry just seeing this comment! I am so glad you found it helpful. I am confident there is a provider to help you it is just a struggle to find people willing to dig deep into detail and really get a full grasp on this. Usually it is due to time, so I would highly suggest a provider who is not in a big company. Where are you located? There is quite an extensive connection of therapists digitally - I can put some feelers out for you!
@@HiFLEXHealthPerformance Southern Oregon, Grants Pass / Medford. Anyone in my area?
Anyone in Mexico?
Anyone in Singapore ?
@@HiFLEXHealthPerformance You have highlighted the exact spot where I have experienced years of pain. Can you recommend a specialist in the South Florida area?
This is a fantastic tour and explanation of this area, look forward to learning more from you! 👍😎
I was looking for a video to show nerves and trigger points related to the SCM and traps, but this is a great start for that. Thank you! Definitely subbing. 💜
Oh man, big time irritable areas! I have some on here that cover that just not sure which ones right now haha. I treat a LOT of angry SCM and traps!
Very easy to understanding ,explained very well....thx
Very good illustration
Thank you so much for this information and presentation. It is pretty much spot on with what I have experienced. I think I know where to go from here now. Thanks again!
JIm, did you find the relief from these issues?
@@Chiroman527 It's been considerably better. I've been a little lazy about the exercising and stretching I need to do, but overall things have calmed down with the occipital neuralgia. Thanks!
Fantastic explanation. Thank you so much 🙏I have exactly this pain pattern - behind eye, around ear and side of head. What type of treatment do you recommend for occipital pain? Should I try cranio-sacral, chiropractic, neuro muscular...? What self treatment would work best in your opinion?
I have same, pl suggest excercise and home remedies thanks
I have had a dx of ON headaches for over 10 yrs, closer to 12 yrs. I’ve been told by ENTs that it can NOT cause this eye pain that feels like someone played basketball with my eyeball and slammed my head through the concrete for years! You have shown me the nerves now. Ty!
Yeah, hubby is a doctor and even he knows that every patient has to say their own research, it's so vexing!
I have that aweful eye pain with Occipital Neuralgia.
I have this and I have the eye pain but I also have ear fullness and pressure in the back of my head. The most uncomfortable for me is the ear fullness. I’ve been seeing a osteopath and it has helped but comes back. I’m also seeing a neurologist and waiting for scans. She offered nerve block but have not had one yet. I’m not in as much pain as I am in the ear fullness discomfort
Loved this breakdown! ❤ My problem is a combo of this occipital neuralgia (zaps behind the eyes) and my whole body feeling like electricity ⚡️ is flowing through it while it vibrates! AND… my forehead , temple area (sinus areas), my headaches are daily and excruciating! I haven’t been able to find relief from anyone! Believe me…I have excellent insurance and I’ve tried everything and almost everyone!! My quality of life is in the toilet. I’m only 61…can’t sew, can’t visit the grandkids, I’m a hermit cuz of this pain! What makes it SO HARD is that it’s SO HARD TO EXPLAIN what’s going on inside my body!! I’ve read possible early MS to Parkinson’s Why do we have to suffer like this, is my daily question.
Hi, I have had zaps ⚡️ about 30-40 times in a hour.. pretty exhausting it was. And noticed similar symptoms for occipital neuralgia (intense pain in head on and off
I think its co-related (targeted especially on our nerves)
What worked for me:-
head posture, neck excercise, lying on the side of bed facing upwards and head tilted Down (5 mins or more),anti-inflammatory diet, vitD, fish oil capsules.
I have also started putting almond oil in nose and ears (2 drops each) before bed to strengthen the head nerves.
I hope it helps you the way it helped me. 🤞
@@pavb8593 I am so grateful for your help! I will definitely try your suggestions cuz I’m getting no help from our medical community. 🙏🙏🙏
@@pavb8593did u experience throbbing while u wake up and little burning pain .?
Try PROLOTHERAPY videos from Caring Medical , in Ft Myers Fla.
Thank you, I have been dealing with this for three months 😅
I'm looking forward to having decreased pain
Thank you for sharing
Excellent explanation, thank you.
Amazing presentation. So which kind of doctor should we refer to. Is it orthopaedic or neurological expert? Can this be associated with Gastric as i have this kind of pain but with increased burps..
Personally my vote goes to neuro based physician rather than ortho! I prefer a neurological focused D.O.
Interesting about the increased burps. Makes me think about vagus nerve as it controls rest and digest vs fight or flight. Being more into fight or flight can stress GI and potentially cause increased burping. This is an interesting write up on the connection after-anxiety.com/anxiety-belching/
this thing happened to me, its feel like a shock sensation in head and my eyes moving in particular side at a same time after studying what the problem is i found its occipital neuralgia so i decide to apply some heat to liquify the blood movement around the area and amazingly slowly over time the frequency, intensity of the shock in my head reducing and some neck stiffness, pain also reducing. as far as my knowledge concern the muscle tension and injured nerve healing by applying some heat, but i still prefer consult with doctor before take any step. thank you very much for sharing some knowledge (God Bless you)
what is this software?? :0 woow, its great!! is it available for general public?
Pain and aching behind the eye. Sometimes sharp pain. Thinking it's occipital neuralgia. Must stretch out those back neck muscles as you highlight. thanks
Great video. My symptoms started 3 months ago and they are getting worse. At 2:30 into the video you mention a type of therapy you like to use. Can you please explain what it does. Thank you
Thank you very much for this.
Very relevant and informative.
Brilliant presentation.
So sorry to hear of your situation.i hope you will get better soon.plz tell me how is the gabapentin working for you .I was prescribed Gana.did not start yet.
Thank you for posting
I’ve just discovered after 3 years of Trigeminal electrocution pains in my face to all three branches that my occipital nerve is trapped at this point and has been referring pain to my face. I was getting over a hundred or more shocks a day. Finally someone looked at my Occipital nerve and I’ve had a nerve block which stopped the facial pain. Carbomazapine stopped working on it. What an awful journey and I don’t follow the usual referral of pain pattern except I get vision issues. I’m going to have surgery on this.
@@IfCinderellahadahome please keep us posted on your recovery! What a hard season, so sorry.
THank you for great knowledge. Thank you so much!
Sería de mucha importancia poder traducir este video, para las personas de Sud América que se interesan por la salud..saludos.
That is a great suggestion! Would general Spanish be adequate or anything more specific?
Call it the burning brain, I kept thinking my brain was on fire
Me too! I get worried I will have a stroke or something.
did u find solution? i have sem
I thought I had a blood clot in my brain 😂 scary
@@kathymyers7279hello, how are you doing with this issue??🙏🏻
@@armed_but_blind2768Hello, are you doing better??🙏🏻
Are all nerve blocks in this region really deemed unproven at this time? My insurance denied my claim for Greater Occipital Nerve block 😢
I have been finally diagnosed after eight months with occipital neuralgia and the hospital has recommend cortisone injections.
This is great info. You do a great job of explaining how this all works. I initially had severe inflammation, pain, and spasms upper traps, chest, and neck. After 4 months and a couple of x-rays it subsided. I have now been living with a constant dull scalp and eye ache. Everything on the internet (except for you) states it's a terrible illness if you know what I mean. Got an MRI scheduled, Dr not sure what is going on and put me on lyrica. Any opinions on what this could be and recommendations ie massage or acupuncture? Thank you.
So sorry you're experiencing such frustrating symptoms with minimal answers. Personally I think a neurological focused dry needle therapy combined with joint mobilizations to the appropriate levels (determined by a skilled PT typically or chiro) and a strength program that works on endurance of stabilizing musculature and calming down the overpowering musculature like pec and upper trap is a good approach. Of course everything is nuanced and depending on specific scenario. Are you tender along your sternocleidomastoid?
Interesting video..thanks for sharing . Can the occipital nerves or accessory nerve cause ear & temple pain ? Have had several x-rays & MRI but no one can figure out what's going on..so I'm sort of left to my own devices to research . Thanks
Hello! Ear and temple possibly but I would be curious about your sternocleidomastoid muscle. Look up an image of it and do some self assessing seeing if this is tender when you pinch it and prolonged pressure. Sometimes this will refer around eye socket/temple as well as cause ringing in ears/ache in ears. There are many nerves that exit behind/around the ear so some problem solving at play here.
Very helpful. Audio quite muffled.
HIFLEX, Thank you for this in all respects. Many , I mean MANY, doctors don't focus on the seriousness of the Cervical Instabilities and Stenosis , and what this does to Occipital areas including the Traps, the Neck, eyes, Cheeks, teeth, to the bridge of my nose, scalp, and Oh yeah.... TMJ big time. I have cervical disc herniations , DDD, facet arthritis to the extent that my wife shoos me out of the room, due to the loudness of the cricking and cracking of the bones in my neck when I just manipulate the neck due to the pressure & pain. . The Muscles are soooooo tight for over 25 years . Surgeons I have consulted (6_) all said : Maybe I am a candidate for Cervical Fusion surgery, success not really certain. That's why they all say: Maybe. I have other spinal issues from Lumbar stenosis, Dextroscoliosis to 25 degress, Facet Joint Syndrome all up and down , arthritis in the Hips, Knees, and even the ankles now. All of this from a fractured right femur in 1966 from a football injury (I'm 69 now), whereby, when the Body cast was removed after 3 months, the right leg is 1 inch short. Nothing was ordered by the doctor at that time for corrective shoes, etc. After 15 years or so, the problems started to Wield It's Ugly Head. This is the best explanation of this condition I've seen on Line. A Doctor Ross at Caring Medical YOutube videos, has enligtened me about the many , many affects of cervical instabilities: As you describe here : eye pain, blurred vision at times, stabbing pains around the face and eyes, ear aches, TMJ, Trap muscles so tight, IBS , Gastritis, numbness / tingling into the hands, arms and shoulder, even an uneven gait and on and off Bladder issues. Dr. Ross depicts and describes the effects of the Cervical spine with instabilities on the VAGUS Nerve ..... The Big Daddy of the Cranial nerves. I've been to 6 different Chiropractos, 6 different neuro and spinal surgeons here in NY : NYU Langone, Columbia Pres, Mt. Sinai..... No surgery for me. Definetely on the the Lumbar spine - way too much arthritis. I'm going for Pain Managmement sessions but have had epidurals to no real help, Taking Gabapentin, and weening off Prozac. Dr. Ross emphasizing Prolotherapy. Any opinions onm that ? Never heard of it albeit it has been around for a long time. THX for this video.
Such a bummer you've had to deal with issues like this! Very challenging and very much impactful to the emotions. Neck pain/head pain is very hard to ignore! You are spot on about instabilities leading to many, many other issues. Have you been treated by a well trained neuro focused physical therapist? We are definitely not all created or trained equally! integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ is a great resource for finding a clinician trained in the style of needling I perform that brings significant relief to my chronic pain patients. This requires finding a therapist who will (1) listen (2) not be in a rush (3) be willing to be open minded (4) critically think!
WOW.. you have just explained all my symptoms. You have had for 25 years and mine is 14 years now. This occurred from severe fall on sacrum to edge of step in sitting position that felt cracks to each spine up to base of head. I started massage 8 months after injury when physio will not even start looking at it. Then the injury cover was suspended by false orthopaedic report they sanctioned to suspend entitlements...!!! I threw away pain management pain killers / mental injury as they say that I took briefly from 8 - 12 months. I went straight for massage and accupuncture but did not know these muscular facts but knew an overview these are of musculoskeletal origin that the spinal deficits are irritating muscles and nerves to flare due to repeat turning and twisting causing ligament inflammation laxity leading to muscle contraction and shortening. So it is recurrent problem. Cervical fusion is likely going to make it worse, I think. My young neighbour got it and says pain is 5% reduced.
A friend in Australia gave me prolotherapy. It was very good as I took at peak of inflamed nerves symptoms. But lately he gave one but of no help as those flares were not there.
Your leg shortening is also recurrent issue. Your chiro would have adjusted it but as tendons are tight and shortened they reappear.
Id be careful with caring medical- they have damaged a lot of people so be sure to google that side also. They market on fear and promise treatments for literally everything..
HEY THERE..........So for several years I get off balance and nausea from my upper right occipital area being tight.
Chiro does an occipital lift adjustment and it can help. For a few days.
If it gets tight enough or inflamed I will get dizzy just from certain pitched sounds in right ear, if I try to plug my nose and pop my ears, the right one struggles, if i dig into that area on the right just below base of skull with a golf ball, or do a bunch of chin tuck type exercises, the sound sensitivity stops and i can pop that ear.
So started all kinds of neck mobility movements and stretches, but i have to do them all damn day.
If not, i'm usually feeling boarder line car sick all damn day every day, and the slightest amount of stress, on the job, talking to a lady, in a meeting, it gets worse and sometimes has made me have to bail and vomit.
This is ridiculous.
It's ruining my life and causing severe depression.
I had an mri and it shows some narrowing root passage and some arthritis and disk degeneration or whatever in my main part of my neck, but i don't think they looked up that high.
Anyways, it drove me to drinking nightly for two years, because it would take it away, but i started falling apart so now i'm not drinking it's been like 21 days.
I'm on lexapro for anxiety and stuff, i just can't get my damn occipital nerve area to stay situated.
I can't live nauseated and trying to avoid vomiting every day, i'm single 47 year old that wants my life back and to be there for everyone.
I'm seeing a spine surgeon next week.
also i can turn my head sometimes and feel a sharp pain behind my inner ear it feels like.
I've had bouts of bppv for many years but this is way different. I'm a master at bppv maneuvers now, but this is separate.
PLEASE HELP
Too Bad you are in Tennessee. I'm in NY - if you were closer , Be there in a NY Minute !!. You should post yiur Web site on the video.
www.hiflexhealth.com :) -- I wish I was closer and I would gladly offer my assistance!
Great explanation thank u
Thanks for the info. What software is this?
I'm getting sharp pains radiate over the left side of my head around to the front, almost like a zap. I'm also feeling it sometimes shoot to the front of my neck, left side as well. The point of contention seems to be next to the bumpy bone at the base of the neck where the bigger "spine" bones start, but also sometimes feel it in the occipital location, left side again.
I will say this, after a back workout all seems to be good and I can seem to fend off issues. When I do get an activation, it's mostly when I'm bending over to pick something up. But also I've felt activations after breathing deep and heavy where my chest is clearly expanding.
I've had ot many times from my atlas c1 injury .like electric shock on your head.
Nothing helped!! Until I thought to use a small Nikken Kenko gold magnet I had I moved it around my entire head .and pressed it on the spots where i felt the worst.
To my surprise 10-15 min later the pain went away!
Its the worst pain with no relief till this tiny magnet . They discontinued them . But of you can find someone that has some theh must be the tiny gold kenko. Everytime I've had a flareup which is now rare . I get out a kenko magnet ..🙌🙏🙌🙌🙌🙌
My symptoms are same.....by jack workout do you mean neck back or body's back...please reply
@@DSCVsharanabasavaSahukar Back workout I mean torso back; lats, rhomboids, traps etc. The upper traps would engage and get a workout, and that travels to the too of the neck. I took it easy on the back workouts just to be sure.
I did also use a tennis ball and roll the back of my neck over it, around the occipital region. I found some really deep painful areas, and worked on pushing in. The pain was a deep pain that would make me feel sick, but also had that feeling of being overly tight. I've not actually noticed any issues, in fact I had forgot about it until I saw your comment.
Also, I briefly stretched my front neck muscles. I also did an exercise where I tuck my chin in to my neck (like I'm looking down), and then push my neck backwards to get a bit of a stretch. First time doing this there was a little pop/crackle sound.
I think what really took the issue away, was using the tennis ball.
This is exactly what I feel. Also, I am starting to feel a little dizzy. Somewhat like a mild loss of focus. I don’t know what is going on.
@@mstootsie815 Get a small ball, like a tennis ball, or even a pool queue ball, something small you can carefully roll the back of your neck or head around on. You should come across some very tight spots, work them out. I think I have poor postural issues perhaps, I'm bow getting crackling and popping sounds in my neck lol, but no more pain or sharp electric shots.
There is a nerve that goes through the muscle at the occipital location, the small muscle would be tight if you are experiencing similar things. Good luck and report back to us!
100% That is my BIG problem Iwas diagnosed With Cervical and thoracic Spondylosis. It radiates to shoulder blade VERY painful
This is so helpful thank you.
Ive never felt a shooting pain like that and i sweat uncontrollably
That was awsome, wish I saw this a year ago
Good video
Hi, I just watched this video with a big interest, can you please give me advice how to help this problem please.
Hello and thanks for the video !
I had a question. I have been having facial spasms for about a year now, more precisely, involuntary blinking, but very hard blinking. I kind of make a face like someone in extreme pain, closing my eyes really hard, and I can't seem to control. It happens every few seconds, and the more it happens, the more I get pain down my face, neck, shoulders and arms all the way down to my hands sometimes.
Do you think this could be related ? And is there anything I could try to make it better ?
Thank you so much for your time !
Oh yeah How could I forget: Tinnitus, bouts of lightheadedness, and when things move too quickly on a TV screen , it can cause some dizziness like getting off an elevator.
Really? I'm always afraid it's brain cancer.... how do you find relief?
@@SelfReflective Calm yourself and get a Brain MRI. I did , and it was completely normal. In fact, my Neurologist (who happens to be 80+ years old , still wears a white coat, and he is one of the best doctors I've seen), said that he sees No signs of Alzheimer [ Thank God for that]. I have been to numerous doctors. But as you do your own Research as I do, yiu will find that certain things as described here contribute to major Miseries in the Body. Check out DR. Alan Mandell, DR. John Bergman , both Chiros and DR. Ross Hauser (Caring Medical) , who is a MD [but to me that does not factor to ME]. The Occipital Muscles and Associated Nerves can affect Everything - notwithstanding my many other things going on. This young Lady is sooooo spot on. Occipital Nerves aggitated by Cervical Instabilities will affect so much as she describes. Look up the Vagus Nerve - WOW
@@Chiroman527 I second Dr. Mandel!! Helped me a lot especially with some peripheral nueropathy.
@@SelfReflective Look into Mind Body Connection , a series of books from Dr. John Sarno. And a similar book from Dr. David Habscrum which I just ordered on Amazon. Sarno, who is dead now, and Habscrum, were both orthopedic / Nuero surgeons. Their theories about chronic pain is based on psychological issues contibuting , creating the pain. Not psychosomatic..... but evolving from the mind body connection. Both doctors did hundreds of surgeries, and Habsrum stopped in 2019 based on his findings. He suffered with chronic pain and anxiety attacks for 17 years. I am unable to Buy it all. But Im trying to. Sarno will tell you in his book, Yes, you have herniated discs, stenosis, etc., but the Referred pain is coming from the Brain and Nervous system affected by Past Traumas. Howard Stern swore by Sarno, saying He saved his life. Stern went to Sarnos funeral. I keep looking for answers because I believe they are Out There. To me.....its the Vagus Nerve !!!!!
When you wake up, Are a Hell
Very interesting. I have pain in all these areas after a injury. Can this cause dizziness as well?
You can bet on that Angelica..... I have these conditions from loots of Cervical Instabilities from Chronic conditions of Disc herniations and Disc Dterioration Disease... DDD. Fior many years over - 25 for sure.
Back of the head/base of skull has a LOT of neural innervation that can lead to dizziness.
Wow. This is amazing!! Thank you!
Is this an app that you’re using or a program that can be purchased? It’s awesome! I would love to use this to study if it’s something folks can purchase. Great video and explanation!
Best program ever -- Complete Anatomy!
Great. How to bookmark?!❤
Can you do a video about temporal pain please
i got sunken occipital bone i don't know when but i always had that from my childhood, and recently it feels like i have something like blood or air (no idea) compressed inside my head and i can feel it to my eyes and inside nose as if someone choke me in my neck and blood flooded in my face until i got red face but can breathe normaly. honestly that's all i can describe because english is not my strong language..
I don’t have pain unless I move my neck toward the left then it feels like a striking sharp shooting pain in upper left neck side or I press down on places In my head then I feel like a sharp nerve pain it doesn’t hurt unless I actually make the movements. I also feel light headed a lot and brain fog
are u healed?? what did u do?
Yes its the combination of muscles behind & SCM
Ahhh shit same thing here. Very sharp pain when I try to turn my head. It has bee. Going on for weeks.
I have all this pain in my neck and shoulder. Across the whole back of my head like this. Sometimes my right eye even gets real red from the pain looks like it's busted but it hurts like heck. Also get a little dizziness and sometimes can't pronounce my words right when it's really hurting
These are the most painful headaches. I do have occipital pain for sure. But I do take Maxalt 10mg (Rizatriptan benzoate) which is the only medication that relieves the throbbing itself. It’s a migraine med but does work for me to relieve the nasty ones. But the soreness and tightness still remain until it refers right back up into the back of my head and over my right eye. At this point in my life I have come to accept headaches are part of my existence. I’m in my mid fifties now and have had headaches of varying degrees since my 20s. If a doctor could find the root of my pain and help me knock it out, it would be life changing for me.
So sorry you have dealt with headaches for so long! integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ if you are in the states, see if there is an advanced practitioner near you. OR if you can find a chiro who specializes in upper cervical spine that could also be helpful!
I dont understand how pt can help it if its inflamed. Doesnt exercising an irritated muscle make it worse?
Many other tools in the tool box besides exercise! PT has evolved extensively over the years. These patients I do not focus on exercise, at least not initially. Main goals up front are to calm down the nervous system, reduce inflammation, and make sure things can move where they need to move....then we work on stabilizing but that likely does not look like typical exercise youd think of. Ways to reduce inflammation include soft tissue work, dry needle therapy, amino neuro frequency therapy (ANF for short), breathing techniques, mental relaxation techniques, etc. Good question! A bad PT will botch cases like this....we are not all the same!
Ideally nerve blocks, steroid injections with a two gap followed by botox injections in the scm, levator, trap should happen a month a few weeks before PT if you have this imo. Not only will it basically cure the symptoms but the fact is the nerves are inflamed a long with the muscles. As a result, PT won't do any good before hand because everything is inflamed causing a positive feed back loop.
I think you are spot on for the right case! Sometimes things are SO angry and irritated that other intervention past what PT can do are needed to help calm things down before we can make a lasting impact.
How do we fix this ?
Left rear occipital Excruciating shocking pains that run also down back left side of neck/shoulder. I'm in Montgomery, TX. Can you help me?
David I am so sorry I have not seen this comment! That sounds miserable. I sadly do not think I can assist as well over the internet. I would check integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ to see if a clinician is hear you!
When I get this pain my eye looks bigger than the other, kind of bulging but definitely a lot bigger than other eye
Where are you located? How might I contact you?
Sorry I am not great at keeping up with comments! Chattanooga, TN. Chelsea@hiflexhealth.com
What’s the fix to feel better long term from all of this?
I have a burning sensation and dull pain and pinching feeling on back of my skull (left side) which stays almost there and makes me feel better if I rest or go for a walk. I also feel discomfort behind my left side face including eye, nose, cheek, jaw and ear. I also notice some swelling on my left cheek. This has been going on since 6 months and now experiencing tinnitus. Could you please help me understand what might be causing this and what could be the treatment options? Thank you:)
The fact that walking is helpful is a great sign! Walking causes the body to release endorphins and other naturally occurring chemicals that help with pain reduction. I would absolutely recommend having a good PT or upper cervical specialized chiropractor check you out since you are having some facial swelling. Without assessing you, I don't want to give specific advice. I can say that if I were to experience tinnitus and your symptoms, I would check out how to do some soft tissue work on your sternocleidomastoid muscle as well as very gentle work around the base of the skull. Some pressure points I would also work on are right above the inner corner of the eyebrow (you can feel around and actually feel a little dent/hole where the nerve comes out) as well as middle of the cheek (drop straight down from pupil line until you reach the horizontal line of your nostrils). Apply pressure that is tolerable and wait for it to decrease in tenderness. I am more than happy to do a virtual consultation, but I do charge for them if they are over 15min.
@@chelseasmith1556 Thank you so much for your response! Could you please share your email ID where I can explore about the info related to a virtual appointment? Between, where are you located? I am in Charlotte, NC.
@@nishahatwar8366 I actually have a few connections in Charlotte that might be of assistance to you! chelsea@clutchintegrativept.com
Same here ..left side from head to toe sometimes feels weak and half of my head swelling/ face/eyes
But this month of December I'm using stc30 stemcell product and its help me a lot
how r you now i have sem thing
What program are you using for your visual media?
this software is so cool.
My pain i is that the top of the head right side stinging burning did an MRI everything's normal. It's not a headache. My neck is jacked up
Yes mine too and I feel pressure in my head
The website you are referring to is only for US citizens. Anything for us in Canada who suffer from this horrid problem? I’m in Montreal.
Let me check on who I know up there! So sorry you’re suffering.
Thank you so much!
The wiring shematic for this model doesn't seem very well thought out. Hopefully the engineers will improve this in the next design. Any word on when Human 2.0 will be released?
Haha! It doesnt seem well thought out for our current society, that is true! Many things we do really do not jive with the natural functioning of our body. Ironically human 2.0 is on the docket, but more for a transhuman model and not rewired haha. (check out world economic forum article on transhumanism if you would like to dig further into my what seems like a joke but is actual reality!)
What’s the solution please
Can you tell where exactly the pain in the orbita is located with the diagnosis occipital neuralgia? I have it in the upper corner to the nose.
Does occipital neuralgia resemble moderate to severe sinus headaches?
How do we heal from this crap?
you over there in US have the really good and experianced doctors, not here in germany where the docs stuck at the middle age
I am experiencing this exactly, what do I do to help with this?
Thanks!
What if you cut trough the Occipitalnerv?
what is the best to do with Occipital Neuralgia?
Personally I feel that seeing a very skilled neuromuscular dry needle therapist can make a massive impact. It is a challenging diagnosis as it is impacted greatly by factors such as stress, sleep, gut health, inflammation, etc. Takes time to really tease out what the true driver is. But I would absolutely search the "Dr. Ma Integrative Dry Needle" website for clinicians to see if one is near you!
I have most all of those symptoms and pain however it doesn’t affect my eye at all. My mastoid hurts a lot and the side of my head hurts...feels like someone slapped the side of my head real hard with rings on his fingers. Any ideas anyone?
I was a stomach sleeper for 40 years. I probably injured my right side neck muscles, including the Splenius Capitis and the levator scapulae, due to rotating my head to the left during sleep. If someone's cause of headaches and neck pain is stomach sleeping, is the Splenius Capitis stretched? What other muscles could be irritated by this? How should this be treated?
I think i have an issue with this. My trap feels tight or stretched.
what's the name of this therappy?
I am a physical therapist so my treatment approach would include: joint mobilization, soft tissue work, dry needle therapy, and progressive exercise along with significant education. :)
same pain I am experiencing from 2 years also taken medication recommended by specialists but not effective for long time, even after taking medication i get similar pain and sometimes it propagates to legs along with pain in eyebrows mucles, traps and just aside spinal cord. can you give some idea what is the course of treatment for this?? now it started affecting my daily routine please provide solution??
I have pain and severe stiffness in those areas. Headaches too. Bad ringing in the ears. When I walk barefooted, I feel like I’m
Being punched in the brain stem, n want to pass out. It’s 🍌 bananas!!! I recently had c5-c7 fused. I think I waited too long. Caused all that neck tissue to stiffen and that’s why it’s so inflamed. I even get cracked grinding glass sensations in the back of my head. I’d be walking and feel like someone slapped me in the back of the head, literally. Any advice?
I am so sorry! The patient this video was made for actually had similar experience with walking. He would walk and feel like an ice pick went through his eyeball. Wild! I actually did not see him when he was this flared, but another clinician did extensive soft tissue work and gave significant relief. I would highly suggest a skilled PT trained in neuromuscular dry needle therapy. integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ This index is not fully up to date but this is the style dry needle treatment I was trained in. Amino Neuro Frequency therapy is also a newer treatment and works when many other things do not as it directly addresses inflammation via frequency. Where are you located?
Had everything you did. I had c5-c7 fused. Best thing for me. Ringing intensifies when I get the stiffness in those muscles. Stimulants and lectins ignite mine. Black coffee is still fine for me, black tea will make my neck stiff. Refined grains, tomatoe sauce n night shades, aspartame within a day or two I’m walking without letting my bare heel hit the ground. It’s nuts. If I avoid those foods, I can heel strike like normal. Triggers, avoid those foods n you will recover. That’s my story in a nutshell. I’m no dr., so don’t take my word as medical advice.
Also I have my son firmly use his body weight with his elbow on that muscle group and hold it. It relieves that issue greatly
Would that cause pain around c1/c2 with pain behind ear and referring pain/headache only on left side?
That’s me!
Maddening, have you found any relief?
Could definitely contribute, but there are many structures at play! I often find if I apply pressure to the rectus capitus oblique muscle it often reproduces a common headache pattern of forehead, around eye, or temple. (if you are doing this on yourself, find the bone behind your ear and move about 1 finger width back and down....pushing in you should feel a small dense muscle meet your finger that runs from C2 toward ear). Worth having a good PT or chiro check it out!
@@MamaPalma integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ see if there is a clinician near you trained in this style! Very helpful!
Awesome!
This i an old video, but what´s the name of the software used to demonstrate the bodymuscles and all inside?
@@Claus1234 complete anatomy!
@@HiFLEXHealthPerformance Thanks...
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@@HiFLEXHealthPerformance Thanks🙂
What therapy did you recommend for this at 2:28.
Dry Needle Therapy! Specifically Neurologic in approach. ruclips.net/video/FPjZbFbh-CM/видео.html also, here is a helpful video my friend made!
Greater auricular nirologia
Problem help me
So sorry to see this (and so delayed!). If there is a clinician who dry needles near you I would highly suggest it!!
Also, my friend Stephen Dunn, PT has a great video on his channel. Will link.
ruclips.net/video/FPjZbFbh-CM/видео.html
How do we get rid of the pain don’t means a thing looking at pictures I am not a doctor. ,
I would seek care from a skilled physical therapist who is trained in neurological dry needle therapy. That is what I utilize with most of my patients in conjunction with a tailored plan for addressing mobility in the thoracic spine and lower cervical and stability exercises for the upper cervical. This video was made for a patient to review structures we had been working on in a session and definitely is not intended to be a self help type video. It just happened to take off on RUclips because so many people are suffering with pain here. I am sorry you are dealing with it as well!
Is there someone in Toronto area that treat this?
integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/ this is a directory for practitioners trained in the same neurological dry needling approach I utilize. Very helpful. I can ask in some PT groups if anyone is in Toronto!
@@HiFLEXHealthPerformance close to burlington ontario area.
This website doesn't recognize our postal codes
@@ludhianvi1 possible to see someone on the western side of Ontario?
will a muscle relaxer help with the tight muscles? the eye pain is killing me .. theres only soo many excederin one can take
Sorry for a late reply and that you are dealing with such eye pain. I would suggest seeing a great neurological dry needle therapist. Check this site to see if there is an advanced certified therapist near you. I know the eye pain that comes with spasm to the back of the head personally and it is miserable! integrativedryneedling.com/directory-index/
I have burning pain at the base and goes into the midline right of my thoracic and refers to the right blade. I can’t tell if it’s TOS or ON or both. If I massage it gets worse??
anything did u find
I find that excess alcohol inflames my occipital nerve the next day. I have also found that hard stationary bike riding for at least 30 minutes eases my occipital headaches almost completely.
Weed and alcohol are terrible for it man like so bad the next day I’m begging to be killed
Hard bike ride easing is very intriguing! Sounds like stability is what your body may be craving. Would work on cervical strengthening exercises like chin tucks, isometrics, and end range control (you may be able to just search based on that -- functional end range conditioning is a great channel).
Alcohol is very inflammatory and can definitely make you more aware of neural irritation.
@@JZGreengo I am curious if you notice a difference between sativa vs indica in terms of what amps up your neural pain. Sativa can be a bit worse for me personally. Sobriety may be the way to go for you! Or CBD strains without the thc component that may be what's triggering that.
@@HiFLEXHealthPerformance I got surgery a month ago and have like an 75% reduction in pain and symptoms
@@JZGreengo
Oh that is so great to hear you had a reduction that significant! Do you mind letting us know what the surgery was for others on here seeking relief?
I have a straight neck and every disc from c2 down is degenerating had c5 c6 c6 c7 fusion last June, My neck is so tight I can’t get the muscles to relax, so Tuesday I’m going in for some occipital nerve block shots for the first time. Mine gets so bad that my scalp will tingle can’t even get a haircut just touching it makes me nauseous and dizzy a lot. I’ll post how the shots helped if they do
Thought I was the only one who had the tingling scalp just by touching my head, freaked me out until I learned this is infact a nerve issue
Did it help?
I have burning not shooting pain and it’s all midline right and squeezing deep deep. I don’t get referral to the eye just stays at the base. Is it ON? What do I do?
Hey! Sorry to see this. Check out some videos further back on my channel for self cervical mobilizations, thoracic mobility, and chin tucks.
First i felt a pressure in my ears, then the ringing, then one night I felt an electric shock behind head. My neck cracks. The back of my head hurts and feeling of burning sensation in my ears. Is this neuralgia?
You’re the first person who’s ever said anything about pressure in ears. I experience it too . I get a stabbing feeling in my ears and in my neck. Kind of feels like an ongoing ear infection. I was diagnosed with occipital neuralgia my pain has never went away.
@@TiaraRoyal33 Me too and it sucks. Any betterment?
@@maseramekekana1992 My nuerologist prescribed Lamotrigine. It died down a smidge but I still feel pain 24/7
@@TiaraRoyal33 Did you try going for a brain MRI ? To get to the root cause... Apart from what the doctor diagnosed because he also diagnosed me but I went for an MRI 2 days after
@@maseramekekana1992 I’m literally arguing with a neurologist because he said from another neurologist notes it looks like there would be no point for one. I have had one since 2020 & I just wanted to know if anything has changed since. Today my pain is a lot worse. Just zapping pain all in my ears and around. I don’t think the medication is doing anything for me at all. In just want this to stop and I’m losing a lot of hope.
Does occipital neuralgia cause temple pain?
Yes. I have it 😢
@@DIYBill does your temple pain feel like a squeezing pressure?
@@GodAlwaysWins yes. Try to get some physio to release trapezius muscle. Also do regular steam which helps relaxes muscles.
I get these headache once every month
Can weight lift cause this? I have pain the back of the head and neck for 1 month now after doing heavy exercise and poor posturr
Absolutely straining during heavy lifting or with the head in positions that may result in irritation can happen. I would seek assistance from as skilled physical therapist!