Thing I hate about PMAs are that the riders would always horn at you to get out of the way, be it a narrow sidewalk, a shopping center entrance area or the neighborhood shop walkway Food delivery riders will complain that the regulations would affect their rice bowl but if they hit someone, the person's rice bowl would be affected if they're unfit for their job.
Thank god for Talking Point to cover this issue. This is getting a nuisance everyday because I'm stepping out of footpaths meant for walking for PMA riders who will begin honking non-stop before zooming past and sometimes making crude remarks. I've stepped onto the roads, I've stepped onto muddy grass patches. This deserves a total ban. And to start first, ban all food delivery riders from using PMA for food delivery. I also wanna add that NONE of any other countries food delivery services have had deliver partners using PMA for delivery - so don't use food delivery as an excuse that customers want our food fast, hence PMA is the reason to use them.
I used to ride my road bike on pedestrian walk for 6 years. Cycling speed never more than 15 kmh on places without people. If there is pedestrian, drop to 5kmh to overtake pedestrian. IMO, speed limit for PMA should be less than 10 kmh at pedestrian walk.
If Singapore can ban chewing gum, Singapore can ban PMA, which is not only a nuisance, it is an everyday hazard for hundreds of thousands of pedestrians, especially senior pedestrians. The new ruling should be end of 2024, not end of 2025. Thank you CNA Insider for highlighting the PMA issue.
dont be a cork la , there are seniors who cant walk , true disable who want to learn a living , tiny red dot dont forget you will get old one day , lol
Oh great, here come the carbrains. If at all, Singapore should allow more electric PMAs, especially at a time when gas prices have skyrocketed. Just require them to have licenses and speed limiters, just like what the EU does. Dedicated lanes alongside bikes would be great, like those sidewalks with dedicated bike lanes in Tampines, I guess.
This is surely one of LTA's biggest mistake. Allowing PMAs with no real way to monitor and enforce is a recipe for disaster. LTA tends to adopt a very very lazy way of policy making by letting the wpeople to regulate themselves. Human beings will ALWAYS find loopholes, 30% will be law breakers and chaos/abuse will reign supreme when unchecked. Our roads and pathways have become horrendously unsafe, thanks to LTA. Now, the Law Ministry is so overwhelmed they are letting first offenders get away with less punishment.
Can’t lay all the blame on only the LTA. It was a multi-ministerial policy. I have heard ministers say it cost too much money to enforce policies that go hand in hand with social grants if we are too strict. Also, no agency wanted that work. One of the MPs was against opening the flood gates if I recall as he was unconvinced with the ability of riders to navigate safely. He felt there had to be control mechanisms and certification to have access. So, while the healthcare certification tightened up, the larger environment was still lax and these vehicles are very accessible to the able population and cheap to boot with no regulation and no COE to pay. Back then in discussion with my counterpart, I warned about irresponsible vendors who would bring these vehicles in for profit. The import checks have to be enforced and actively monitor sellers and service providers who soup up the devices. If they can soup up cars and motorbikes, what’s stopping them from doing the same to every other kind of devices? You need governance in place. Public safety is the only reason you need to setup enforcement.
melissa says its safer to have PMA than ebike because of their fear of the road etc. like cmon, dont you mean its safer for YOU while you endanger other pedestrians? thats just selfish
This is actually the main difference between an MC and PMA. Problem is that PMA is slower, so they SPEED IT UP... Now they have an MC that can go on pathways.
PMAs are meant to be mobility aids, period. What other disputes could you have if you're an able bodied person? To the parent fetching your kids: There's nothing wrong with letting your kids take the bus, or having to wake up earlier - take the positive side of things that they can learn to control time on their own, take public transport, make conversations with other classmates while commuting, etc.
Or get this, let them cycle if they don't want to get on a crowded bus. Even if it's raining, i've seen students putting on raincoats to cycle to school.
Steve: Would e-bike work? Speeding Selfish Lady: The e-bike is not convenient actually, it's not safe for them (the kids). And it's dangerous to cycle on the road. So you try to keep your kids safe by endangering the other pavement users??? I've experienced at least 2 PMAs speeding (at least 20 km/h) on the pavement with 2 to 3 passengers on it around Pioneer area and no enforcer in this ulu area. They're basically abusing PMAs by endangering other pavement users.
PMA should be banned, except for people who are certified to be unable to walk unaided for more than 10metres. This is what such devices were invented for, not for people who claim they "cannot walk long distances". Or as a car that can drive on footpaths to transport their families.
We all grew up walking and taking bus to school. Nothing has changed over the decades. I used to wake up at 5:15am, shower, change and leave for school at 5:40am in order to reach at 6:30am to have my breakfast/ do last minute homework in 30mins. I do not see why her kids should be treated any different. Heck, just cycle to school if you wish to save money on transport. Healthy lifestyle. PMA should be reserved for disabled/ elderly who have trouble walking and at a speed of 6km/h (Still questionable since a regular healthy human only walks an average speed or 5km~/h). If they need a PMA, they definitely do not have to reflex to stop/avoid an accident going at 10km/h. Besides, 6km/h is way faster than whatever walking speed they have if they actually need a PMA.
As usual, the abled want convenience at the expense of the disabled. Just like lifts or handicap toilets. They just abuse it for convenience not for accessibility. 😢
@@Fightingchronicbattlesright?! At times it has become the norm for them that they see walking as abnormal. One of my acquaintance rides a PMD everywhere. I bumped into her at a plaza. She asked if i scooted over. I said i don't have a PMD/scooter. It's just a 5+minute walk. Her reaction "wah you walk so far?" Note; the distance from her house to that plaza was roughly the same distance as to my house. And she "couldn't" simply walk.
PMAs should be controlled so only genuinely physically impaired people can use them. Sick of going out and seeing these snooty uncles and aunties on their PMAs acting like they deserve the right of way
It was a very difficult time to walk on the pavement when I had to pick my toddler boy from childcare. I had to carry him, take our bags, and have to move left and right to let bicycles passed me just cos they honked. So annoying. Abled bodied person should not be allowed to use the PMA at all.
our pedestrian sidewalks used to be really safe. Nowadays, however, I need to look behind me every now and then to avoid getting hit by speeding bicycles and PMAs.
Omg! I hate to be rude but I hate more to see parents with zero common sense putting their children at risk. I am calling a spade a spade: The mother is a fine example of a bad parent. . No matter how careful she is, some things are just beyond her control. A child could suddenly run into her path, causing her to brake… or not, and with no seat belt and helmet, her own children be flying off the device and be injured seriously. Some accidents can be avoided if only people start using their brains. For the sake of your kids, woman, get off your ass and walk.
23:33 “have a fear of cycling on the road” due to past accident but perfectly fine whizzing at a fast speed on the footpath, potentially causing an accident/trauma to normal pedestrians? If the driver wishes to go at that speed, go onto the road. In addition, I simply don’t understand why PMA/bike users feel entitled to honk at people to give them way on footpath. If they think pedestrians are too “slow”, they should ride their PMA onto the grass to overtake or simply go onto the road
Well, seems like cyclists are moving to hog the road with cars...this frees up the cycling lane for PMDs, no?😂 Ofc not...PMD uses LOVE getting the chance to honk at pedestrians.
Just from watching this video, it seems that enforcement hasnt been executed well and people are taking the chance to try the law. Don't see the point of changing regulations if they arent enforced properly. It wouldnt improve pedestrian safety against those users who are intentionally avoiding the regulations.
I think it is called socialization. It is useuful to introduce the law, bring awareness to the public so at the end of 2025, there will be no "I don't know that it is a law" situation. If you introduce a rule suddenly, it is assured that a lot of people will be caught which... is not the objective. The objective of the law is to regulate instead of catching and fining citizens.
The excuse is stupid. They are clearly overweight and can lose weight by walking. But no, they feel scared in the road. But then risk scaring pedestrians on pathways. What rubbish. You put yourself at risk. Not others.
Problem is those that use PMA for lazy reasons, they will be permanently disable in no time as their un-exercised legs lost the essential muscles. This is especially true to elderly and heavy weight(big size?) individuals who have the ability to walk but feel too lazy to do so. They are adding problems to their still able legs, back and waist by getting lesser to no exercise.
Singapore has many injured their legs (bone/joints) during army national service. Not all are able to even afford a pmd. I prefer use such resources to build more cycle/pma friendly path. Before enforcement/laws, the gov should solve those having foot problem, including like cycling(weight on bike, not on foot in every steps), not swept it under carpet for those rich Enough to grab a car everytime they go out . Therefore isn't it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem, not ban totally°.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma. ° note! - most bike speakers that are pro banning and stuff , mostly are in expensive gears , bikes (few thousands!). With videos cycling in exotic non- traffic heavy, greenly countryside path. Usually not even a traffic lights to need "push" in every 1 min (or less) of cycling.
It's becoming increasingly challenging for pedestrians to share pathways with cyclists and PMAs. The constant ringing of bicycle bells and the fast-moving PMA can feel intimidating and disrupt the flow for those walking.
Cyclist should not be allowed on pedestrian pavement. Especially they cannot be riding in front of a bus stop. Twice I was nearly knocked down when I got up to flag a bus looking in the direction of the incoming bus and a bicycle came to a screeching break just centimeters behind me!
Then it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem,.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma.
@marktn9851 at 32:00, it's not the cyclist nor pma pmd fault, but gov planning. I have a better suggestion......ban all vehicles within town! 1) car park rebuild in rim of town. Cycle (for zero co²) only within town. 2) car park freed for vegetable/food glowth that Singaporean needs. That's no carparks within town. 3) existing within town roads reserved for goods/public transportation, pma and cyclist only. 4) shared pma (like bicycle) at mrt. 5) so foot path will be free for foot-goer's.
Last time, before crossing the road we need to look left and right first. But nowadays, before you walk along a walkway, we also need to look left and right due to PMA and eBIKE
While alighting from a bus, must look left and right too. There are now Singapore Police posters telling the public to "Look out for oncoming bicycles/PMDs before you alight from the bus"
Cisco and Auxiliary police are just wayang, there is no strict protocol and most are there for deter present only. They should have quota system, where they will have bonus for every ticket they issues.
Either PMA should be banned on footpaths, or limited to max 4km/h. There's a reason why it's called a FOOTpath and not a WHEELpath or ROAD. Footpaths or sidewalks are for walking not driving. Walking pedestrians should feel safe and not having to be worried about a VEHICLE (be it PMA or bicycles) hitting them just because they want to overtake the pedestrian. Those PMA users who are body-abled complaining about their lifestyle being affected without being able to use PMA should get a checkup on their minds. Bicycles are more tolerable because they are not motorized, which means there is less impact if they were to hit anything. I've seen too many machines tearing frail humans apart easily without much resistance.
10:18 this tells you most of our PMA riders are not physically disabled; they just want convenience. LTA should be stricter in this regard. 21:42 no point having all these rules if the authority cannot enforce them. 26:07 our cycling infrastructure needs drastic improvement.
I actually dont really like this PMA thing too. But did you pay attention ? The distance from their home to school is bus distance not walking distance.
I once got hit by a PMA under the voiddeck who was clearly speeding around the corner. Not only was I told to pay for the damages to his scooter, he can even pull out LTA law and say that he can file lawsuit 😂
I think a crack down on any PMA over 10km/h will surely put many Grab riders out of action.. which may not be a bad thing.. and parents using PMA to send kids to school should be fined also.
In my neighbourhood, I tend to give way to oncoming PMA. And usually those that are on the same direction (as me walking) don’t even bother to horn. Same go to those on e-bikes and bicycles. I accept that the pathway is meant for sharing of all users but the problem is no much consideration is shown. Those on the “equipments” tend to feel that they’ve the right more than the human beings who walk.
All motor vehicles on the road require license, annual inspections and 3rd party insurance. Then you let PMA loose without requiring any of the above. What do you think is going to happen?
Not sure why they had the Mobot guy talk about the PMA rules when I remember some time back, Mobot was itself running video ads highlighting how it could be used as a effective "car" for able bodied people to e.g. buy groceries. Such promotional activities targetting able-bodied use are a very part of the problem!
Maybe that was before PMA riders caused too many problems for society. Like you said yourself, it was different some time ago. But now there are too many irresponsible PMA riders, and most of them are able-bodied and don't have any medical issues.
When she break the rules (having more than 1 on a PMA), still got the cheek to say others speeding. Speed test also show the braking distance. it comes down to the same.
I like how CNA Insider cover this PMA, not just the official legislation itself but also how actual PMA users are using them and how the new rules would impact them. As always, great job CNA Insider!
2:00 no of PMAs in estates is inversely proportional to property prices in estates. What does that tell you? Basically the poor in SG are using it as the poor man's car/bikr
Sad realisation - Singapore is known for its well designed urban structure, but the roading system covers only vehicle as the main traffic user. Lacks consideration of other road users such as PMAs, cyclists, pedestrians etc. It is time to rethink and restructure. Share space!
This episode raises an important discussion about how we adapt to new technologies like PMAs and their place in our daily lives. While these devices offer convenience and mobility, they also highlight the pace at which society is moving-often too fast. Slowing down isn't just about regulating speed limits; it's about encouraging a mindset that prioritizes safety, mindfulness, and shared spaces. Additionally, the reliance on such devices, even for able-bodied individuals, raises questions about how much physical activity we’re sacrificing for convenience. Regular exercise is essential not just for physical health but for mental well-being too. Perhaps this conversation can inspire us to strike a balance between innovation and the basic human need to move, connect, and sometimes simply take things slower. 😌
No one jogs nor briskwalk in my esttate anymore... it became a "walk risk" everytime i tried to walk 10 mins to the nearby central and ndecided its safer to take the feeder bus. EVERYDAY able bodied selfish lazing beings using the electronic vehicles who felt safer to drive on pathways hurting pedastrains rather than being hurt themselves. I've been hurt thrice myself while the riders simply sped away! Can we sue them for reckless driving??? Many had abused the system they should be fined and sued each time. Youngsters are taught the lazy way out, no need to walk. So much for healthy living!
There should be a law restricting the purchase and use of PMA by medically certified persons ONLY. If we get rid of bicycles on the road 50 years ago, why can’t we do now? No point just talking to the perpetrators, impose hefty fines and jail terms.
I'm sorry, but the mom needs to suck it up and just get with what everyone else is doing. Riding the bus or driving a LEGAL vehicle on the ROAD She is trying to use excuses to justify her illegal use. Regardless of how unfair it is for her. What about all the other mom's. I'm pretty sure it's unfair she can do illegal things like that The gentleman should just stop trying to use delivery services as a full-time job. It isn't a real job because if it was, they would give you real benefits like paid time off, etc. Or healthcare coverage and retirement planning There is no excuse or real exceptions. The gentleman at the end explained it perfectly. There is no infrastructure to handle this type of transportation. If you want to do any of that, then do what most of the world is doing. Use a bicycle. For the mom, she can use kid attachments if she wants. However, I assume her kids are so far away from her home for a reason. That's why they offer a bus. Duh!
Pathway is supposed for people to walk but not for electric mobility. Everyday walking along the path is like life threatening and risky, worrying any speedy electric mobility will hit me. Almost every week will encounter two to three times of nearly get hit by these speedy electric mobility. Government must do something to stop these proliferation of misuse and speedy electric mobility device!
😅i had a feeling that i will be one day injured very badly and injured seriously by this speeding PMA or PMD. I had a few near misses and once their wheels going over my feets when i was standing under a Bus Stop shelter at Telok Blangah Way.
Maybe only motorised wheelchairs should be allowed for general sale. And have motorised scooters leased out by delivery companies to delivery staff. With so many PMAs around and riders flouting the rules, it's a terrible nuisance. Would hate to see the day Singapore becomes like America, with a whole lot of ultra obese people riding them everywhere.
Had been working in China for the last 20 years. Lately, walking and driving in big cities is a nightmare because of PMA. Lately had been to Japan and walking or driving is so safe. Realize there is less or no PMA. Most Japanese walk and use public transportation big time. Good for health too. Singapore should just ban PMA - it's good for the majority of Singaporeans.
Everything should be calculated with force. F=MA. If the PMA and rider is more than a walking adult human, the speed should be less than a human to keep the force and risk equal. Tbh, it should be wheelchair with a motor. All of these things are mini motorbike. Also the biggest problem is the infrastructure is so poorly planned that the pedestrian walkway is taxed by people alone let alone cyclist and PMA.
Seriously, PMA should be strictly allowed only to those with disability and medically certified users and NOT for food delivery. Will there be any regulations on pedestrians who take up space walking on cycling lanes at their own leisure? Surely it is hard to enforce. Bottom line is, people can be selfish, cannot get along, entitled and inconsiderate. They can set new rules and laws but it is pointless if they arent enforced or policed on regular basis. These new rules need to be put up at public spaces like those digital boards at HDB voidecks/Bus/MRT spaces as the general public need to be educated on this, not just news on TV/social media.
Changes needed to be made 1. Reduce the speed limit of PMA to 3 km/h 2. Only the disabled and senior citizens are allowed to purchase PMAs 3. Making illegally own PMA or own an illegally modified PMA a criminal offence that punishable with a jail term up to 2 years and a fine of SG$10000. 4. Build more bicycle lanes. Cyclists must use bicycle lane whenever is available. If not available, cyclists must keep left of the road at all times. 5. Cyclists may use zebra crossing but must dismount while crossing the road. 6. Allow full sized bicycles to be brought on board MRT trains during weekday off-peak hours, weekends and public holidays.
I'm a cyclist. I share my dislike of PMAs with glaring lights and high speed, but there are some points which is not feasible. 1. Have you tried walking at 3km/h? you're probably blocking the way of other pedestrians too. And bear in mind the rules will apply to cyclists, try cycling at 3km/hr before deciding on a speed based on the numbers. 5. I agree that cyclists at zebra crossing need to take extra care. Personally i'll slow down to even a stop to make sure the cars give way before I go ahead. I've stopped at zebra crossings before when up to 3 cars passed without giving way. and have encountered crossing at walking speed where a car sped through at the second lane even while another stopped at the first lane. So cyclists, please be extra careful. Drivers don't look out. 6. It's hard enough to get a foldable on board during off peak. Not to mention weekends. So forget about full sized bikes.
@@rainingdogs 1. Ban bikes on pedestrian path then. As I said on point 4 that bikes must only use bike lanes or keep left of the road when bike lanes are not available. Also 3 km/h walking speed is normal for senior citizens. 5. Sure crossing roads are quite dangerous, but it's the driver obligation to pay attention on the road and look out for any dangers ahead. 6. Why not? Many European countries already allow passengers to bring full sized bikes on board during off-peak hours. Even London Underground allows full sized bicycles outside of deep tube sections during off peak.
I’ve not seen that many PMA’s in any other city except S’pore!! It’s mainly food delivery riders are the main culprits for riding too fast on pedestrian walks. I’ve had to jump aside to make way for the PMAs so as not to get run over 😬
Sorry, Melissa, the mum is just plain lazy. Who cares if her children have to wake up earlier, she really means she have to wake up earlier to wake them up. Teach them responsibilities.
Firstly, Personal Mobility Devices (and PMA) are designed for individuals who may require assistance, such as those using wheelchairs, which typically do not travel at a consistent speed of 6 km/h. Secondly, an average adult is unlikely to maintain a walking speed of 6 km/h for extended periods; thus, it raises questions about why the relevant authorities allow PMD (and PMA) to exceed this speed limit. This suggests that the authorities may not be putting sufficient effort into their regulatory responsibilities. Lastly, the high speeds of PMD and bicycle riders etc in HDB void decks create significant blind spots, posing safety risks. Notably, Japan faces an aging population yet has minimal PMA usage, offering a potential example for consideration. (P.s From the very beginning, putting 2 primary 6 students together can do a better planning)
I asked a police officer in my US city about laws regarding scooters and e bikes on sidewalks. He said the laws had not caught up with the technology and these dangerous vehicles were permitted to share sidewalks with pedestrians.
Do you mean a fine and not COE? With COE prices at record high, number of vehicles on the road (not to mention those driving recklessly) is not getting any lesser.
It's crazy that Melissa til this day still doesn't realise that her selfish and lazy actions. Able bodied, kids that 12 and 8. Not only risk to others but herself and kids too. Unbelievable.
No need to ban PMAs - just reinforce a universal speed limit. Before the holy ones gripe about food delivery, etc., there is always someone who will lose out. Pedestrian safety or slightly slower food delivery time?
Benefits still for those rich enough to grab food. I prefer use such resources to build more cycle/pma friendly path. Before enforcement/laws, the gov should solve those having foot problem, including like cycling(weight on bike, not on foot in every steps), not swept it under carpet for those rich Enough to grab a car everytime they go out . Therefore isn't it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem, not ban totally°.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma. ° note! - most bike speakers that are pro banning and stuff , mostly are in expensive gears , bikes (few thousands!). With videos cycling in exotic non- traffic heavy, greenly countryside path. Usually not even a traffic lights to need "push" in every 1 min (or less) of cycling.
the only thing i hate in sg right now are PMAs. these speeders gave PMAs such a bad rep people that actually need it and abide to the rules are affected too.
It’s hard to monitor and control on where PMA, PMD, E-bikes ride on. With limited ‘monitoring’, it be hard to tackle the issue. Pathways are build for pedestrians. Gov will need to widen it if need to accommodate PMAs. And to have a better PCN path connections for PMDs and e-bikes.
From the outset, the importation of all PMAs should have been prohibited. There has been a lack of effective communication among the relevant authorities, leading to a situation where responsibilities are unclear-each department believes the issue falls within the other's jurisdiction. As a result, there has been insufficient oversight, and we now find that many individuals on the island are utilizing PMAs unnecessarily.
HDB flats are designed to make people walk more. It’s part of town design to make people healthier. You will note even walking to the MSCP/bus stop always no straight route, though later, Town Council will help make footpaths where people have found ways to take shortcut. For the mother with two kids, they might be healthier if they would walk to take the bus to school every day. Wake early means have to sleep early. I’m not being entitled here. I got no car and 3 kids and all of us take bus. My youngest even younger than her kids. Possibly, my living space is more accessible than hers, because I’m at one of the new estates. I note that the places cited with high PMA sighting may be the older estates. In that case, the statutory boards involved in town planning should consider that town design is the underlying issue. Maybe there should be a limit to how much extra walking the estate designs should be making people walk to get them healthier. Or if it’s just these parents being lazy, all the more PMAs should not be allowed for fetching kids if we do not want to see a society of humans in that Wall-E ship.
Rules without strict enforcement will not change anything!. Presently, those abled body on PMDs and PMAs already can speed away from the Enforcement Officers, creating a new set of safety issues on the other end, what makes the Committee so confident that new set of rules and structure will solve the problems? The best is severe punishment on those who speed, to act as deterrance for potential offenders. Just, come to Serangoon Central and Bartley Villas, many PMDs and PMAs are driving at high speed, esp. during evening time. In the morning, a few even use PMAs to send children to school. I am surprised that the school's Security staff actually allowed the illegal transport to enter the school. MOBOT should also not sell their mobility vehicle in the Shopping Mall. The best is to ban PMDs, PMAs and E-bike. They are subjecting the pedestrian to daily stress and saftety concern. For PMAs, it should only be sold by Medical shops in the Hospitals with strict legislation and medical certification. PMAs should never be used for delivery function also, because delivery people tend to speed in order to earn more, unless there is a lock to limit the speed to 6km/hr.
To me, I see no problem at all on all those PMA, but the only problem is that when it hit somebody are they insured? And who are going to pay for the hospitalisation for the injured and so on? Just banded it and allow only for those needed.
like it or not, the group of people abusing PMA usage typically comes from lower SES families who cannot afford cars or motorcycles. it's a low cost mode of transport that has unfortunately spiralled out of control and the present government is unlikely to clamp on hard on such errant riders because it represents a large majority of the votes.
I really appreciate TalkingPoint for raising awareness on this matter. Looks to me not a simple straight-forward solution for different type of users/pedestrian sharing the common pathway....and need more time/resources/effort to expand or dedicate cycle pathway for this devices. Next time in SG urban planning: we need Road for Cars, Cycle Path for Bikes/PMA, and Foor-path for Pedestrians, ??
This happened last year. I was cycling on the footpath and slowed down to make a right turn, only to see a PMA rider speeding towards me. I had no choice but to veer to the right and knocked into something, suffering lacerations on my left calf. The rider did not even bother to slow down or look back. I wanted to scream at him but decided it was not worth the effort. I can see why these things can be convenient, but when people do not use these things properly, accidents are bound to happen.
I don’t understand the rationale the authorities banning e-scooters but yet now allowing PMAs, which are more dangerous as they’re usually larger and some riders carry 2 or more passengers, which is illegal.
Yup, Singapore's cycling lane is a joke...With short distance and many cut off. The person who planned these cycling paths are just half backed like the so call Top tier Gov? Because their cycling path is reflecting on their planning ability or for show only attitude? Walking is so much less stress if relying on these cycling path which was never planned in the master plans years ago. But walking is so much dangerous now due to arrant riders.
I prefer use such resources to build more cycle/pma friendly path. Before enforcement/laws, the gov should solve those having foot problem, including like cycling(weight on bike, not on foot in every steps), not swept it under carpet for those rich Enough to grab a car everytime they go out . Therefore isn't it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem, not ban totally°.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma. ° note! - most bike speakers that are pro banning and stuff , mostly are in expensive gears , bikes (few thousands!). With videos cycling in exotic non- traffic heavy, greenly countryside path. Usually not even a traffic lights to need "push" in every 1 min (or less) of cycling.
SG roads is a joke...not only PMAs speeding and fun rides. msian kamikaze motorbikes lane splitting while speeding. big trucks and bus driving like small cars. the relevant authorities really need to buck up. Small island SG need to decide what is of higher priority,...not ridiculous inclusiveness policies that try to cater to everybody...where got space for that??
The PMA nuisance is one of the many ills that sprouted from the disastrous implementation of the car lite fantasy under the 4G. I will remember it at the ballot box.
First, there were e-scooters. They were a fantastic way to move quickly from place to place. However, their misuse by some led to their eventual ban. Now, we have Personal Mobility Aids (PMAs), designed to help people with mobility issues. Unfortunately, some are using them irresponsibly, causing trouble on pavements and roads. It seems like only a matter of time before PMAs face bans or stricter rules too. This is sad because many families genuinely need PMAs to get around. But once again, a few people are ruining it for everyone. I guess we can't have good things for too long.
The problem at the end of the day is the lack of proper infrastructure to accommodate these vehicles and bad users that is potentially ruining for other proper users.
Remove PMD/PMA/e-Bike altogether. It doesn't work anymore all these so-called "Last Mile Solution". Just the manual normal bicycles will do. Return back to life in the 90's/early 2000's.
As a foreigner who regularly visits SIN I am dumbfounded. Only 10% of the population own a car. Yet all pedestrian, cyclists, escooters etc. have to share a tiny sidewalk while cars drive on 6-lane stroads. Why?
The people in charge paid a lot of money for their Certificate of Entitlements. I guess they want to make sure they have the "premium" commuting option.
@@LaustinSpayce what they intentionally omitted is the tax is also introduced due to the fact that their convenience is killing everyone else faster by choosing petrol fueled vehicles
I absolutely abhor PMAs zooming on pedestrian paths ridden by young and obviously healthy people. Just ban the bloody things before the pedestrian walkways get clogged by these pests.
In the past, I would understand when people use PMAs because it could be due to disability or some sort. But now I'm seeing even youngsters and able-bodied people using it. The problem with this is they are flat-out rude and will honk at you expecting you to give way to them. Despite LTA's reminder that whether it is a shared or pedestrian path, PMAs and cyclists must give way to pedestrians since their transportation devices could hurt pedestrians. But unfortunately they either do not know about this 'reminder' and they still expect walkers/pedestrians to be the ones giving them way. I've even seen some PMAs and cyclists being at fault but becoming confrontational and aggressive towards their victims. It is crazy. It is because of this I support a strict enforcement or total ban on PMAs except for the handicaps who need them.
I don't think pma speeding is the issue to be honest, as long as if there's cycle paths to allow for that speed. Lack of proper cycling infrastructure might be the larger issue here (or alternatively, roads being too dangerous)
If everyone can accept their food delivery to be slower, I think a Singapore without PMAs (for non-disabled) is possible. That means these companies cannot punish deliverypersons and should provide ample delivery time for them to be paid.
@@ustradingdiaryjust restrict delivery to 3 modes . Bicycle , motorcycle and 4 cars or commercial vehicles . It used to be this way , but people got lazy
I wonder does the food delivery platform had speed limit on their delivery. if yes, that will be good. Eg. distance from food to order 3km, takes 30mins. even if the rider ride an illegal PMA, the time will still be 30mins, buyer will only be prompt food arriving in 5-10mins. even rider ride fast, had to wait for the time. rider cannot communicate with buyer til the last 5-10mins. the platform should also check for their cert to allow their account to select PMA and restrict the speed of delivery.
It's not just about speeding and other safety concerns, coz I once saw a convoy of 3 large PMAs with young and seemingly able-bodied group of people riding them while boarding an MRT train at Yishun station.
In Indonesia, PMA above certain speed (idk, maybe about 10 km/h) is classified as electric motorbikes and should be registered to Motor Administration Office and wear number plates. I think the problem is so prevalent in SG due to people trying to have a vehicle but circumvent COE regulations.
Not, it's the lack of path. I prefer use such resources to build more cycle/pma friendly path. Before enforcement/laws, the gov should solve those having foot problem, including like cycling(weight on bike, not on foot in every steps), not swept it under carpet for those rich Enough to grab a car everytime they go out . Therefore isn't it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem, not ban totally°.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma. ° note! - most bike speakers that are pro banning and stuff , mostly are in expensive gears , bikes (few thousands!). With videos cycling in exotic non- traffic heavy, greenly countryside path. Usually not even a traffic lights to need "push" in every 1 min (or less) of cycling.
It is soooo true! CCK have quite a fair bit of PMA. Recently, my wife just got knocked over and tripped by a PMA as it is trying to squeeze on the pedestrain path way. Thankfully, it is just a sprain. I don't mind them, remember your GrabFood? We essentially need them but what annoys me the most is they start horning at you at the pedestrain (not shared footpath) demanding their right of way (constant horning instead of a short horn to warn you if you get what I meant) and at the same time their PMA is huge that it took up almost 80-90% of the pedestrain path. On several occasion, I encountered PMAs riding at least 15km/h and the rider is talking on the phone serving left and right on the shared footpath 😅 I felt the enforcement efforts are not as effective, why not have regulations similar to e-Bike and eScooter too where a license needs to be issued for PMA? It is pretty effective isn't it since there is a sharp decrease in eScooters.
Thing I hate about PMAs are that the riders would always horn at you to get out of the way, be it a narrow sidewalk, a shopping center entrance area or the neighborhood shop walkway
Food delivery riders will complain that the regulations would affect their rice bowl but if they hit someone, the person's rice bowl would be affected if they're unfit for their job.
Their sense of entitlement is disgusting.
High speed on walkway or sidewalk is very disgusting and do not care people life...
be careful of your feet. their wheel is like a bike size..
I think a gentle beep would be ideal to warn others they are coming up behind them, but some are fitted with loud horns sibei annoying and entitled
@ techno song somemore or loud Chinese old pop song..
Thank god for Talking Point to cover this issue. This is getting a nuisance everyday because I'm stepping out of footpaths meant for walking for PMA riders who will begin honking non-stop before zooming past and sometimes making crude remarks. I've stepped onto the roads, I've stepped onto muddy grass patches. This deserves a total ban. And to start first, ban all food delivery riders from using PMA for food delivery. I also wanna add that NONE of any other countries food delivery services have had deliver partners using PMA for delivery - so don't use food delivery as an excuse that customers want our food fast, hence PMA is the reason to use them.
Thank Talking Point for covering this issue. God has nothing to do with it. Just sayin'
its about time right?
@@bummers lmao it's just a figure of speech. Relax please.
If 3 pmas in hospital waiting counter where to move lor..
Some ferrying the whole family is this correct
If PMA is to return mobility to those with mobility issues, it should be limited to walking speed. Normal people don't "run" everywhere we go.
However, our government doesn't care.
I used to ride my road bike on pedestrian walk for 6 years. Cycling speed never more than 15 kmh on places without people. If there is pedestrian, drop to 5kmh to overtake pedestrian. IMO, speed limit for PMA should be less than 10 kmh at pedestrian walk.
@@kengwaimak2129 it's time our government realises they have to be responsible for our safety before a serious accident happens
@@mini4dailytech982Where have they failed to do so? Aren't these regulations made to combat this issue?
Precisely
If Singapore can ban chewing gum, Singapore can ban PMA, which is not only a nuisance, it is an everyday hazard for hundreds of thousands of pedestrians, especially senior pedestrians.
The new ruling should be end of 2024, not end of 2025. Thank you CNA Insider for highlighting the PMA issue.
Can't even ban smoking, can never ban PMA. PMA got people benefit from it, someone "win". Who win for smoking? Nobody "win".
You can't differentiate ban and enforcement
@@NewmaticKe Enforcement is the worst part of SG law.... Hardly see any
dont be a cork la , there are seniors who cant walk , true disable who want to learn a living , tiny red dot dont forget you will get old one day , lol
Oh great, here come the carbrains. If at all, Singapore should allow more electric PMAs, especially at a time when gas prices have skyrocketed.
Just require them to have licenses and speed limiters, just like what the EU does. Dedicated lanes alongside bikes would be great, like those sidewalks with dedicated bike lanes in Tampines, I guess.
This is surely one of LTA's biggest mistake. Allowing PMAs with no real way to monitor and enforce is a recipe for disaster. LTA tends to adopt a very very lazy way of policy making by letting the wpeople to regulate themselves. Human beings will ALWAYS find loopholes, 30% will be law breakers and chaos/abuse will reign supreme when unchecked. Our roads and pathways have become horrendously unsafe, thanks to LTA. Now, the Law Ministry is so overwhelmed they are letting first offenders get away with less punishment.
Can’t lay all the blame on only the LTA. It was a multi-ministerial policy. I have heard ministers say it cost too much money to enforce policies that go hand in hand with social grants if we are too strict. Also, no agency wanted that work. One of the MPs was against opening the flood gates if I recall as he was unconvinced with the ability of riders to navigate safely. He felt there had to be control mechanisms and certification to have access. So, while the healthcare certification tightened up, the larger environment was still lax and these vehicles are very accessible to the able population and cheap to boot with no regulation and no COE to pay. Back then in discussion with my counterpart, I warned about irresponsible vendors who would bring these vehicles in for profit. The import checks have to be enforced and actively monitor sellers and service providers who soup up the devices. If they can soup up cars and motorbikes, what’s stopping them from doing the same to every other kind of devices? You need governance in place. Public safety is the only reason you need to setup enforcement.
melissa says its safer to have PMA than ebike because of their fear of the road etc. like cmon, dont you mean its safer for YOU while you endanger other pedestrians? thats just selfish
New to Singapore? Self-centredness is ingrained.
@@jamescorrigan6063 couldnt agree more .. goes both way ..
true, most of these people are just plain selfish. PMAs should be banned except for those who are truly disabled.
Footpath is for walking and not for electrical machine
If you dont realize yet, this is a mobility aid 🤦🏻♀️. What an ableist
@@user-jk4bx6zy1g stay an ableist and be bitter
A lot of people in singapore walk on the bike lane though
@ sorry trying hard to understand the link
This is actually the main difference between an MC and PMA.
Problem is that PMA is slower, so they SPEED IT UP... Now they have an MC that can go on pathways.
that women is just plain lazy. it may save time for her kids however her riding the pma with that speed just increases the risk for other people
She should just let her kids walk to sch. More healthier in long run.
That's why she looks the way she looks.
Yes agree that woman is totally lazy
The way she responded to Steve’s question makes me wonder if she didn’t actually hit something or someone before
Hence her appearance.
PMAs are meant to be mobility aids, period. What other disputes could you have if you're an able bodied person?
To the parent fetching your kids: There's nothing wrong with letting your kids take the bus, or having to wake up earlier - take the positive side of things that they can learn to control time on their own, take public transport, make conversations with other classmates while commuting, etc.
Thank you sm for this! I dont get why the abled are obsessing over an accessibility resource and wanna have a say over the minority. 😢
For that lady, please get a motorbike if she wants convenient
@ 💯yasss
Or get this, let them cycle if they don't want to get on a crowded bus.
Even if it's raining, i've seen students putting on raincoats to cycle to school.
@ yea! So many solutions out there that the abled dont need to use an accessibility device until it becomes a hot tooic 🥹
Steve: Would e-bike work?
Speeding Selfish Lady: The e-bike is not convenient actually, it's not safe for them (the kids). And it's dangerous to cycle on the road.
So you try to keep your kids safe by endangering the other pavement users???
I've experienced at least 2 PMAs speeding (at least 20 km/h) on the pavement with 2 to 3 passengers on it around Pioneer area and no enforcer in this ulu area. They're basically abusing PMAs by endangering other pavement users.
I feel so angry at the people they interviewed. Incredibly selfish.
PMA should be banned, except for people who are certified to be unable to walk unaided for more than 10metres.
This is what such devices were invented for, not for people who claim they "cannot walk long distances". Or as a car that can drive on footpaths to transport their families.
and I wonder why LTA isn't doing anything about this.
We all grew up walking and taking bus to school. Nothing has changed over the decades. I used to wake up at 5:15am, shower, change and leave for school at 5:40am in order to reach at 6:30am to have my breakfast/ do last minute homework in 30mins. I do not see why her kids should be treated any different. Heck, just cycle to school if you wish to save money on transport. Healthy lifestyle.
PMA should be reserved for disabled/ elderly who have trouble walking and at a speed of 6km/h (Still questionable since a regular healthy human only walks an average speed or 5km~/h).
If they need a PMA, they definitely do not have to reflex to stop/avoid an accident going at 10km/h. Besides, 6km/h is way faster than whatever walking speed they have if they actually need a PMA.
As usual, the abled want convenience at the expense of the disabled. Just like lifts or handicap toilets. They just abuse it for convenience not for accessibility. 😢
@@Fightingchronicbattlesright?! At times it has become the norm for them that they see walking as abnormal.
One of my acquaintance rides a PMD everywhere. I bumped into her at a plaza. She asked if i scooted over. I said i don't have a PMD/scooter. It's just a 5+minute walk. Her reaction "wah you walk so far?"
Note; the distance from her house to that plaza was roughly the same distance as to my house. And she "couldn't" simply walk.
@ its sad that convenience triumphs over simple joys like walking. Some people dont even have that privilege 🥹
Morning very healthy, But afternoon sun not healthy, So best is travel by Car or PMA got sun shade along the way back to home.
@ see exactly my point. Abled using it for convenience and not for accessibility
PMAs should be controlled so only genuinely physically impaired people can use them.
Sick of going out and seeing these snooty uncles and aunties on their PMAs acting like they deserve the right of way
It was a very difficult time to walk on the pavement when I had to pick my toddler boy from childcare. I had to carry him, take our bags, and have to move left and right to let bicycles passed me just cos they honked. So annoying. Abled bodied person should not be allowed to use the PMA at all.
our pedestrian sidewalks used to be really safe. Nowadays, however, I need to look behind me every now and then to avoid getting hit by speeding bicycles and PMAs.
Omg! I hate to be rude but I hate more to see parents with zero common sense putting their children at risk. I am calling a spade a spade: The mother is a fine example of a bad parent. . No matter how careful she is, some things are just beyond her control. A child could suddenly run into her path, causing her to brake… or not, and with no seat belt and helmet, her own children be flying off the device and be injured seriously. Some accidents can be avoided if only people start using their brains. For the sake of your kids, woman, get off your ass and walk.
Well said! Stop the nonsense NOW
23:33 “have a fear of cycling on the road” due to past accident but perfectly fine whizzing at a fast speed on the footpath, potentially causing an accident/trauma to normal pedestrians? If the driver wishes to go at that speed, go onto the road.
In addition, I simply don’t understand why PMA/bike users feel entitled to honk at people to give them way on footpath. If they think pedestrians are too “slow”, they should ride their PMA onto the grass to overtake or simply go onto the road
It's pedestrian path / foot path in the first place. I wonder why they feel so entitled .
Then bicyclists will start having the same problem you are having, cars are too fast which will result in accidents
Well, seems like cyclists are moving to hog the road with cars...this frees up the cycling lane for PMDs, no?😂
Ofc not...PMD uses LOVE getting the chance to honk at pedestrians.
Self-entitlement can be due to many reasons, such as ill brought up in the past, feeling lose out in life, feeling frustrated with bad health and etc.
actually if everyone is nice a respectful , we wont have a problem , its ok to ring a bell to let the pedestrian know "hey im coming up, becareful"
Just from watching this video, it seems that enforcement hasnt been executed well and people are taking the chance to try the law. Don't see the point of changing regulations if they arent enforced properly. It wouldnt improve pedestrian safety against those users who are intentionally avoiding the regulations.
I think it is called socialization.
It is useuful to introduce the law, bring awareness to the public so at the end of 2025, there will be no "I don't know that it is a law" situation.
If you introduce a rule suddenly, it is assured that a lot of people will be caught which... is not the objective.
The objective of the law is to regulate instead of catching and fining citizens.
Get the Opposition and non main stream media journalists to highlight these issues.
still there are some e-scooters roaming after midnight and my neighbor has this assembled motorbike which he is also using at night.
illegal is illegal no questions ask. Thank you CNA well documentated
The excuse is stupid. They are clearly overweight and can lose weight by walking. But no, they feel scared in the road. But then risk scaring pedestrians on pathways. What rubbish. You put yourself at risk. Not others.
Is not about lose weight, Is about the convenience and the freedom to have a vehicle, I can feel her kids love it.
Problem is those that use PMA for lazy reasons, they will be permanently disable in no time as their un-exercised legs lost the essential muscles. This is especially true to elderly and heavy weight(big size?) individuals who have the ability to walk but feel too lazy to do so. They are adding problems to their still able legs, back and waist by getting lesser to no exercise.
Singapore has many injured their legs (bone/joints) during army national service. Not all are able to even afford a pmd.
I prefer use such resources to build more cycle/pma friendly path.
Before enforcement/laws, the gov should solve those having foot problem, including like cycling(weight on bike, not on foot in every steps), not swept it under carpet for those rich Enough to grab a car everytime they go out .
Therefore isn't it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem, not ban totally°.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma.
° note! - most bike speakers that are pro banning and stuff , mostly are in expensive gears , bikes (few thousands!). With videos cycling in exotic non- traffic heavy, greenly countryside path. Usually not even a traffic lights to need "push" in every 1 min (or less) of cycling.
It's becoming increasingly challenging for pedestrians to share pathways with cyclists and PMAs. The constant ringing of bicycle bells and the fast-moving PMA can feel intimidating and disrupt the flow for those walking.
THis is interesting take.
eBike is scared of car and truck on the road while people is scared of cyclist on the road.
Cyclist should not be allowed on pedestrian pavement. Especially they cannot be riding in front of a bus stop. Twice I was nearly knocked down when I got up to flag a bus looking in the direction of the incoming bus and a bicycle came to a screeching break just centimeters behind me!
Then it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem,.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma.
How can people walk properly if one needs to watch front and back all the time?
@marktn9851 at 32:00, it's not the cyclist nor pma pmd fault, but gov planning.
I have a better suggestion......ban all vehicles within town!
1) car park rebuild in rim of town. Cycle (for zero co²) only within town.
2) car park freed for vegetable/food glowth that Singaporean needs. That's no carparks within town.
3) existing within town roads reserved for goods/public transportation, pma and cyclist only.
4) shared pma (like bicycle) at mrt.
5) so foot path will be free for foot-goer's.
Last time, before crossing the road we need to look left and right first. But nowadays, before you walk along a walkway, we also need to look left and right due to PMA and eBIKE
While alighting from a bus, must look left and right too.
There are now Singapore Police posters telling the public to "Look out for oncoming bicycles/PMDs before you alight from the bus"
Get 3rd party contractors to summon (since there is manpower shortage).. when there is no enforcement, there is no fear of laws.
Certis Cisco is already doing that 😂
You can see Auxiliary police at the pavements standing by . I’ve seen many times .
@@theachilles96 go to low SES locations at night..
@theachilles96 at night too I hope
Cisco and Auxiliary police are just wayang, there is no strict protocol and most are there for deter present only. They should have quota system, where they will have bonus for every ticket they issues.
Either PMA should be banned on footpaths, or limited to max 4km/h. There's a reason why it's called a FOOTpath and not a WHEELpath or ROAD. Footpaths or sidewalks are for walking not driving. Walking pedestrians should feel safe and not having to be worried about a VEHICLE (be it PMA or bicycles) hitting them just because they want to overtake the pedestrian.
Those PMA users who are body-abled complaining about their lifestyle being affected without being able to use PMA should get a checkup on their minds. Bicycles are more tolerable because they are not motorized, which means there is less impact if they were to hit anything. I've seen too many machines tearing frail humans apart easily without much resistance.
the real hazards are those PMAs that are modified to go over the speed limit
10:18 this tells you most of our PMA riders are not physically disabled; they just want convenience. LTA should be stricter in this regard.
21:42 no point having all these rules if the authority cannot enforce them.
26:07 our cycling infrastructure needs drastic improvement.
12 year old and 8 year old cannot walk? bus? seriously. just plain lazy.
I actually dont really like this PMA thing too. But did you pay attention ? The distance from their home to school is bus distance not walking distance.
@@AzmiBesar please define 'bus distance' and your 'walking distance' distance.
@@AzmiBesar my school was bus distance and I took bus also what? And what's wrong with that?
How about parents driving their kids to school? Lazy as well?
@ could be. If they go out of the way to send the kids to school. If it’s on the way to work etc, I suppose not.
I once got hit by a PMA under the voiddeck who was clearly speeding around the corner. Not only was I told to pay for the damages to his scooter, he can even pull out LTA law and say that he can file lawsuit 😂
Tell him to eff off. What happened in the end?
😮
report police, let police investigate
@@namele55777 You honestly think police will do anything?
I think a crack down on any PMA over 10km/h will surely put many Grab riders out of action.. which may not be a bad thing.. and parents using PMA to send kids to school should be fined also.
In my neighbourhood, I tend to give way to oncoming PMA. And usually those that are on the same direction (as me walking) don’t even bother to horn. Same go to those on e-bikes and bicycles. I accept that the pathway is meant for sharing of all users but the problem is no much consideration is shown. Those on the “equipments” tend to feel that they’ve the right more than the human beings who walk.
All motor vehicles on the road require license, annual inspections and 3rd party insurance. Then you let PMA loose without requiring any of the above. What do you think is going to happen?
Not sure why they had the Mobot guy talk about the PMA rules when I remember some time back, Mobot was itself running video ads highlighting how it could be used as a effective "car" for able bodied people to e.g. buy groceries. Such promotional activities targetting able-bodied use are a very part of the problem!
He's part of the problem.
Maybe that was before PMA riders caused too many problems for society. Like you said yourself, it was different some time ago. But now there are too many irresponsible PMA riders, and most of them are able-bodied and don't have any medical issues.
@@RAPTOR-4EVA You are missing his point.
CNA cannot be so naive. It is like asking for fire safety advice from an arsonist.
@@dd-dd2co nope.he was comparing before and after statement by mobot.
When she break the rules (having more than 1 on a PMA), still got the cheek to say others speeding. Speed test also show the braking distance. it comes down to the same.
I like how CNA Insider cover this PMA, not just the official legislation itself but also how actual PMA users are using them and how the new rules would impact them.
As always, great job CNA Insider!
2:00 no of PMAs in estates is inversely proportional to property prices in estates. What does that tell you?
Basically the poor in SG are using it as the poor man's car/bikr
Exactly. There is a failure on the government’s end to meet the mobility needs of locals.
Some uncles and aunties who are using PMA to do food delivery can actually walk pretty fast 😂
CNA doing LTA job
Sad realisation - Singapore is known for its well designed urban structure, but the roading system covers only vehicle as the main traffic user. Lacks consideration of other road users such as PMAs, cyclists, pedestrians etc. It is time to rethink and restructure. Share space!
This episode raises an important discussion about how we adapt to new technologies like PMAs and their place in our daily lives. While these devices offer convenience and mobility, they also highlight the pace at which society is moving-often too fast. Slowing down isn't just about regulating speed limits; it's about encouraging a mindset that prioritizes safety, mindfulness, and shared spaces.
Additionally, the reliance on such devices, even for able-bodied individuals, raises questions about how much physical activity we’re sacrificing for convenience. Regular exercise is essential not just for physical health but for mental well-being too. Perhaps this conversation can inspire us to strike a balance between innovation and the basic human need to move, connect, and sometimes simply take things slower. 😌
No one jogs nor briskwalk in my esttate anymore... it became a "walk risk" everytime i tried to walk 10 mins to the nearby central and ndecided its safer to take the feeder bus. EVERYDAY able bodied selfish lazing beings using the electronic vehicles who felt safer to drive on pathways hurting pedastrains rather than being hurt themselves. I've been hurt thrice myself while the riders simply sped away! Can we sue them for reckless driving??? Many had abused the system they should be fined and sued each time. Youngsters are taught the lazy way out, no need to walk. So much for healthy living!
There should be a law restricting the purchase and use of PMA by medically certified persons ONLY. If we get rid of bicycles on the road 50 years ago, why can’t we do now? No point just talking to the perpetrators, impose hefty fines and jail terms.
Interestingly, we have no such issue with electric wheelchairs (which is a form of PMA) in the past.
@@lokewaihoe because recently its lawless in the fine city. everybody bo chup, so, everybody abused the law, now owning pma is their 'rights'
I'm sorry, but the mom needs to suck it up and just get with what everyone else is doing. Riding the bus or driving a LEGAL vehicle on the ROAD
She is trying to use excuses to justify her illegal use. Regardless of how unfair it is for her. What about all the other mom's. I'm pretty sure it's unfair she can do illegal things like that
The gentleman should just stop trying to use delivery services as a full-time job. It isn't a real job because if it was, they would give you real benefits like paid time off, etc. Or healthcare coverage and retirement planning
There is no excuse or real exceptions. The gentleman at the end explained it perfectly. There is no infrastructure to handle this type of transportation.
If you want to do any of that, then do what most of the world is doing. Use a bicycle. For the mom, she can use kid attachments if she wants. However, I assume her kids are so far away from her home for a reason. That's why they offer a bus. Duh!
some just should not have kids
"Real job" lol..
Pathway is supposed for people to walk but not for electric mobility. Everyday walking along the path is like life threatening and risky, worrying any speedy electric mobility will hit me. Almost every week will encounter two to three times of nearly get hit by these speedy electric mobility. Government must do something to stop these proliferation of misuse and speedy electric mobility device!
😅i had a feeling that i will be one day injured very badly and injured seriously by this speeding PMA or PMD. I had a few near misses and once their wheels going over my feets when i was standing under a Bus Stop shelter at Telok Blangah Way.
Maybe only motorised wheelchairs should be allowed for general sale. And have motorised scooters leased out by delivery companies to delivery staff.
With so many PMAs around and riders flouting the rules, it's a terrible nuisance.
Would hate to see the day Singapore becomes like America, with a whole lot of ultra obese people riding them everywhere.
Already happening seen a lot of extra obese even on mrt
this video need part 2 and viral !! about time ..... !!
Had been working in China for the last 20 years. Lately, walking and driving in big cities is a nightmare because of PMA. Lately had been to Japan and walking or driving is so safe. Realize there is less or no PMA. Most Japanese walk and use public transportation big time. Good for health too. Singapore should just ban PMA - it's good for the majority of Singaporeans.
Yes....... majority rich people that are rich enough to grab a car everytime going out.
Everything should be calculated with force. F=MA. If the PMA and rider is more than a walking adult human, the speed should be less than a human to keep the force and risk equal.
Tbh, it should be wheelchair with a motor. All of these things are mini motorbike.
Also the biggest problem is the infrastructure is so poorly planned that the pedestrian walkway is taxed by people alone let alone cyclist and PMA.
Seriously, PMA should be strictly allowed only to those with disability and medically certified users and NOT for food delivery. Will there be any regulations on pedestrians who take up space walking on cycling lanes at their own leisure? Surely it is hard to enforce. Bottom line is, people can be selfish, cannot get along, entitled and inconsiderate. They can set new rules and laws but it is pointless if they arent enforced or policed on regular basis. These new rules need to be put up at public spaces like those digital boards at HDB voidecks/Bus/MRT spaces as the general public need to be educated on this, not just news on TV/social media.
Changes needed to be made
1. Reduce the speed limit of PMA to 3 km/h
2. Only the disabled and senior citizens are allowed to purchase PMAs
3. Making illegally own PMA or own an illegally modified PMA a criminal offence that punishable with a jail term up to 2 years and a fine of SG$10000.
4. Build more bicycle lanes. Cyclists must use bicycle lane whenever is available. If not available, cyclists must keep left of the road at all times.
5. Cyclists may use zebra crossing but must dismount while crossing the road.
6. Allow full sized bicycles to be brought on board MRT trains during weekday off-peak hours, weekends and public holidays.
For your point 5, isn't that what they are already supposed to do?
I'm a cyclist. I share my dislike of PMAs with glaring lights and high speed, but there are some points which is not feasible.
1. Have you tried walking at 3km/h? you're probably blocking the way of other pedestrians too. And bear in mind the rules will apply to cyclists, try cycling at 3km/hr before deciding on a speed based on the numbers.
5. I agree that cyclists at zebra crossing need to take extra care. Personally i'll slow down to even a stop to make sure the cars give way before I go ahead. I've stopped at zebra crossings before when up to 3 cars passed without giving way. and have encountered crossing at walking speed where a car sped through at the second lane even while another stopped at the first lane. So cyclists, please be extra careful. Drivers don't look out.
6. It's hard enough to get a foldable on board during off peak. Not to mention weekends. So forget about full sized bikes.
@@rainingdogs
1. Ban bikes on pedestrian path then. As I said on point 4 that bikes must only use bike lanes or keep left of the road when bike lanes are not available. Also 3 km/h walking speed is normal for senior citizens.
5. Sure crossing roads are quite dangerous, but it's the driver obligation to pay attention on the road and look out for any dangers ahead.
6. Why not? Many European countries already allow passengers to bring full sized bikes on board during off-peak hours. Even London Underground allows full sized bicycles outside of deep tube sections during off peak.
My sister took 1 step out of the lift and a PMA almost hit here. End up she had a fall due to the shock.
I’ve not seen that many PMA’s in any other city except S’pore!! It’s mainly food delivery riders are the main culprits for riding too fast on pedestrian walks. I’ve had to jump aside to make way for the PMAs so as not to get run over 😬
Sorry, Melissa, the mum is just plain lazy. Who cares if her children have to wake up earlier, she really means she have to wake up earlier to wake them up. Teach them responsibilities.
The woman is definitely driving too fast on a footpath. Not safe for pedestrians.
Firstly, Personal Mobility Devices (and PMA) are designed for individuals who may require assistance, such as those using wheelchairs, which typically do not travel at a consistent speed of 6 km/h. Secondly, an average adult is unlikely to maintain a walking speed of 6 km/h for extended periods; thus, it raises questions about why the relevant authorities allow PMD (and PMA) to exceed this speed limit. This suggests that the authorities may not be putting sufficient effort into their regulatory responsibilities. Lastly, the high speeds of PMD and bicycle riders etc in HDB void decks create significant blind spots, posing safety risks. Notably, Japan faces an aging population yet has minimal PMA usage, offering a potential example for consideration. (P.s From the very beginning, putting 2 primary 6 students together can do a better planning)
Misused with excuses 😂😂😂, but they always have excuses
the problem is LTA and MOT - they are not doing anything about cyclist, PMA, e-bikes
They keep saying they keep the world moving
I asked a police officer in my US city about laws regarding scooters and e bikes on sidewalks. He said the laws had not caught up with the technology and these dangerous vehicles were permitted to share sidewalks with pedestrians.
You asked a regular beat cop for a verbal response?
Which city? Residential areas? Business locale?
Lets see your videos, plse share.
Pma should be banned completely
should start charging coe on them if they continue riding recklessly on the roads.
Wah bro u abit too much already Singapore so expensive u still want COE wah thats why ppl want migrate to johor
@@OEMLewis Johor ppl don't even use PMA PMD and E-Bike, They drive car, ride motorcycle and Grab freely.
Do you mean a fine and not COE?
With COE prices at record high, number of vehicles on the road (not to mention those driving recklessly) is not getting any lesser.
@@OEMLewis Nowadays, I've noticed increasing false thinking that migrating to Johor is simple and easy.
@@lokewaihoe Not migrate, is more ppl crossing the border daily.
It's crazy that Melissa til this day still doesn't realise that her selfish and lazy actions. Able bodied, kids that 12 and 8. Not only risk to others but herself and kids too. Unbelievable.
No need to ban PMAs - just reinforce a universal speed limit. Before the holy ones gripe about food delivery, etc., there is always someone who will lose out. Pedestrian safety or slightly slower food delivery time?
Benefits still for those rich enough to grab food.
I prefer use such resources to build more cycle/pma friendly path.
Before enforcement/laws, the gov should solve those having foot problem, including like cycling(weight on bike, not on foot in every steps), not swept it under carpet for those rich Enough to grab a car everytime they go out .
Therefore isn't it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem, not ban totally°.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma.
° note! - most bike speakers that are pro banning and stuff , mostly are in expensive gears , bikes (few thousands!). With videos cycling in exotic non- traffic heavy, greenly countryside path. Usually not even a traffic lights to need "push" in every 1 min (or less) of cycling.
If everybody using pma people just get lazy to walk and the path will be crowded
Same motorist and vehicles. They’re lazy and will be crowded too. What’s your point? They’re safe too? 😅
@@Dzn09they only say what fits their narrative
the only thing i hate in sg right now are PMAs. these speeders gave PMAs such a bad rep people that actually need it and abide to the rules are affected too.
It’s hard to monitor and control on where PMA, PMD, E-bikes ride on. With limited ‘monitoring’, it be hard to tackle the issue. Pathways are build for pedestrians. Gov will need to widen it if need to accommodate PMAs. And to have a better PCN path connections for PMDs and e-bikes.
From the outset, the importation of all PMAs should have been prohibited. There has been a lack of effective communication among the relevant authorities, leading to a situation where responsibilities are unclear-each department believes the issue falls within the other's jurisdiction. As a result, there has been insufficient oversight, and we now find that many individuals on the island are utilizing PMAs unnecessarily.
HDB flats are designed to make people walk more. It’s part of town design to make people healthier. You will note even walking to the MSCP/bus stop always no straight route, though later, Town Council will help make footpaths where people have found ways to take shortcut.
For the mother with two kids, they might be healthier if they would walk to take the bus to school every day. Wake early means have to sleep early.
I’m not being entitled here. I got no car and 3 kids and all of us take bus. My youngest even younger than her kids.
Possibly, my living space is more accessible than hers, because I’m at one of the new estates. I note that the places cited with high PMA sighting may be the older estates. In that case, the statutory boards involved in town planning should consider that town design is the underlying issue. Maybe there should be a limit to how much extra walking the estate designs should be making people walk to get them healthier. Or if it’s just these parents being lazy, all the more PMAs should not be allowed for fetching kids if we do not want to see a society of humans in that Wall-E ship.
Rules without strict enforcement will not change anything!. Presently, those abled body on PMDs and PMAs already can speed away from the Enforcement Officers, creating a new set of safety issues on the other end, what makes the Committee so confident that new set of rules and structure will solve the problems? The best is severe punishment on those who speed, to act as deterrance for potential offenders. Just, come to Serangoon Central and Bartley Villas, many PMDs and PMAs are driving at high speed, esp. during evening time. In the morning, a few even use PMAs to send children to school. I am surprised that the school's Security staff actually allowed the illegal transport to enter the school. MOBOT should also not sell their mobility vehicle in the Shopping Mall. The best is to ban PMDs, PMAs and E-bike. They are subjecting the pedestrian to daily stress and saftety concern. For PMAs, it should only be sold by Medical shops in the Hospitals with strict legislation and medical certification. PMAs should never be used for delivery function also, because delivery people tend to speed in order to earn more, unless there is a lock to limit the speed to 6km/hr.
To me, I see no problem at all on all those PMA, but the only problem is that when it hit somebody are they insured? And who are going to pay for the hospitalisation for the injured and so on? Just banded it and allow only for those needed.
Irresponsible parent. Stop finding excuses
like it or not, the group of people abusing PMA usage typically comes from lower SES families who cannot afford cars or motorcycles. it's a low cost mode of transport that has unfortunately spiralled out of control and the present government is unlikely to clamp on hard on such errant riders because it represents a large majority of the votes.
I really appreciate TalkingPoint for raising awareness on this matter. Looks to me not a simple straight-forward solution for different type of users/pedestrian sharing the common pathway....and need more time/resources/effort to expand or dedicate cycle pathway for this devices. Next time in SG urban planning: we need Road for Cars, Cycle Path for Bikes/PMA, and Foor-path for Pedestrians, ??
This happened last year. I was cycling on the footpath and slowed down to make a right turn, only to see a PMA rider speeding towards me. I had no choice but to veer to the right and knocked into something, suffering lacerations on my left calf. The rider did not even bother to slow down or look back. I wanted to scream at him but decided it was not worth the effort. I can see why these things can be convenient, but when people do not use these things properly, accidents are bound to happen.
I don’t understand the rationale the authorities banning e-scooters but yet now allowing PMAs, which are more dangerous as they’re usually larger and some riders carry 2 or more passengers, which is illegal.
Set the speed limit to same speed as walking, it’s kind of annoying this devices on the pathment and honking like we blocking their way
Yup, Singapore's cycling lane is a joke...With short distance and many cut off. The person who planned these cycling paths are just half backed like the so call Top tier Gov? Because their cycling path is reflecting on their planning ability or for show only attitude? Walking is so much less stress if relying on these cycling path which was never planned in the master plans years ago. But walking is so much dangerous now due to arrant riders.
I prefer use such resources to build more cycle/pma friendly path.
Before enforcement/laws, the gov should solve those having foot problem, including like cycling(weight on bike, not on foot in every steps), not swept it under carpet for those rich Enough to grab a car everytime they go out .
Therefore isn't it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem, not ban totally°.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma.
° note! - most bike speakers that are pro banning and stuff , mostly are in expensive gears , bikes (few thousands!). With videos cycling in exotic non- traffic heavy, greenly countryside path. Usually not even a traffic lights to need "push" in every 1 min (or less) of cycling.
Kudos to Steve and gang to ride on the roads. So dangerous!
SG roads is a joke...not only PMAs speeding and fun rides. msian kamikaze motorbikes lane splitting while speeding. big trucks and bus driving like small cars. the relevant authorities really need to buck up. Small island SG need to decide what is of higher priority,...not ridiculous inclusiveness policies that try to cater to everybody...where got space for that??
Respect for this report
The PMA nuisance is one of the many ills that sprouted from the disastrous implementation of the car lite fantasy under the 4G. I will remember it at the ballot box.
Me too bro. What a dumb idea
Plus one more. Me
First, there were e-scooters. They were a fantastic way to move quickly from place to place. However, their misuse by some led to their eventual ban.
Now, we have Personal Mobility Aids (PMAs), designed to help people with mobility issues. Unfortunately, some are using them irresponsibly, causing trouble on pavements and roads. It seems like only a matter of time before PMAs face bans or stricter rules too.
This is sad because many families genuinely need PMAs to get around. But once again, a few people are ruining it for everyone. I guess we can't have good things for too long.
Holland Village! Husbands giving fully abled wives a "ride". Parents and kids on joyride. Food delivery rider with kids in tow.
The problem at the end of the day is the lack of proper infrastructure to accommodate these vehicles and bad users that is potentially ruining for other proper users.
Remove PMD/PMA/e-Bike altogether. It doesn't work anymore all these so-called "Last Mile Solution".
Just the manual normal bicycles will do.
Return back to life in the 90's/early 2000's.
In short, just too many lazy peoples who doesn't wants to walk 😂😂😂
As a foreigner who regularly visits SIN I am dumbfounded. Only 10% of the population own a car. Yet all pedestrian, cyclists, escooters etc. have to share a tiny sidewalk while cars drive on 6-lane stroads. Why?
Welll.... Lack of proper infrastructure yet fear of votes by motorised vehicles for some reasons 😅
Well say!
The people in charge paid a lot of money for their Certificate of Entitlements. I guess they want to make sure they have the "premium" commuting option.
@@LaustinSpayce what they intentionally omitted is the tax is also introduced due to the fact that their convenience is killing everyone else faster by choosing petrol fueled vehicles
Introduce ERP 2.0 for PMAs, distance based charging to fund more bike paths.
And help police track those speeding or with illegal mods
I absolutely abhor PMAs zooming on pedestrian paths ridden by young and obviously healthy people. Just ban the bloody things before the pedestrian walkways get clogged by these pests.
In the past, I would understand when people use PMAs because it could be due to disability or some sort.
But now I'm seeing even youngsters and able-bodied people using it. The problem with this is they are flat-out rude and will honk at you expecting you to give way to them.
Despite LTA's reminder that whether it is a shared or pedestrian path, PMAs and cyclists must give way to pedestrians since their transportation devices could hurt pedestrians. But unfortunately they either do not know about this 'reminder' and they still expect walkers/pedestrians to be the ones giving them way.
I've even seen some PMAs and cyclists being at fault but becoming confrontational and aggressive towards their victims. It is crazy. It is because of this I support a strict enforcement or total ban on PMAs except for the handicaps who need them.
please limit it to 5km/h then less people will using
I don't think pma speeding is the issue to be honest, as long as if there's cycle paths to allow for that speed.
Lack of proper cycling infrastructure might be the larger issue here (or alternatively, roads being too dangerous)
In short, if you can't afford a car or a motorbike, life is going to be difficult, inconvenient and dangerous for you.
No. in fact Singapore needs to assign disable and doctor approval to use PMA.
If everyone can accept their food delivery to be slower, I think a Singapore without PMAs (for non-disabled) is possible.
That means these companies cannot punish deliverypersons and should provide ample delivery time for them to be paid.
Do you know Food delivery platform are not profitable to begin with. It will only means delivery fee will be much higher at later stages.
@@ustradingdiaryjust restrict delivery to 3 modes . Bicycle , motorcycle and 4 cars or commercial vehicles . It used to be this way , but people got lazy
I wonder does the food delivery platform had speed limit on their delivery. if yes, that will be good. Eg. distance from food to order 3km, takes 30mins. even if the rider ride an illegal PMA, the time will still be 30mins, buyer will only be prompt food arriving in 5-10mins. even rider ride fast, had to wait for the time. rider cannot communicate with buyer til the last 5-10mins. the platform should also check for their cert to allow their account to select PMA and restrict the speed of delivery.
It's not just about speeding and other safety concerns, coz I once saw a convoy of 3 large PMAs with young and seemingly able-bodied group of people riding them while boarding an MRT train at Yishun station.
In Indonesia, PMA above certain speed (idk, maybe about 10 km/h) is classified as electric motorbikes and should be registered to Motor Administration Office and wear number plates.
I think the problem is so prevalent in SG due to people trying to have a vehicle but circumvent COE regulations.
Not, it's the lack of path.
I prefer use such resources to build more cycle/pma friendly path.
Before enforcement/laws, the gov should solve those having foot problem, including like cycling(weight on bike, not on foot in every steps), not swept it under carpet for those rich Enough to grab a car everytime they go out .
Therefore isn't it's gov responsibility to made non -foot path for those having foot problem, not ban totally°.......or are these Singaporean only to be confined in home. Btw , not everyone can afford a pma.
° note! - most bike speakers that are pro banning and stuff , mostly are in expensive gears , bikes (few thousands!). With videos cycling in exotic non- traffic heavy, greenly countryside path. Usually not even a traffic lights to need "push" in every 1 min (or less) of cycling.
All the lazy uncle and auntie that actually able to walk they have miss use as personal transport
And they will outright honk or shout at us when we are blocking them ..
@@will.i.am188 is it that difficult to move aside for a second to let them move off? Maybe you are the problem😂
It is soooo true! CCK have quite a fair bit of PMA. Recently, my wife just got knocked over and tripped by a PMA as it is trying to squeeze on the pedestrain path way. Thankfully, it is just a sprain. I don't mind them, remember your GrabFood? We essentially need them but what annoys me the most is they start horning at you at the pedestrain (not shared footpath) demanding their right of way (constant horning instead of a short horn to warn you if you get what I meant) and at the same time their PMA is huge that it took up almost 80-90% of the pedestrain path. On several occasion, I encountered PMAs riding at least 15km/h and the rider is talking on the phone serving left and right on the shared footpath 😅
I felt the enforcement efforts are not as effective, why not have regulations similar to e-Bike and eScooter too where a license needs to be issued for PMA? It is pretty effective isn't it since there is a sharp decrease in eScooters.
No need licence.
No need insurances.
No need police control.
😂😂😂😂
just plain lazy to walk, not unable to walk...