Please do serial killer Edmund Kemper. He's the most brilliant fascinating having therapy training from observing therapists when institutionalized. Ted Bundy is nothing next to Kempers intelligence. Thank you! Love you guys!!
Innocente si perché o visto cosa fanno staff America asionome dalla Sardegna si Innocente psicologa insegna scuola sostegno Innocente Pistorius come tanti tanti in carcere innocentev
There is another South African guy you guys should check out. Dawie de Villiers. I would love to hear your thoughts on him. Conman, predator, "business man". Used 3 different identities and from what I understand he is still running his business from prison....
I am from South Africa and the one thing I could never understand about this case is this - IF you wake up and think there is an intruder, wouldn't your first reaction be to wake the person next to you?!
he was out of bed as he was bringing in fans that he had left on the balcony as they were noisy while he was doing this Reeva went to the bathroom without him noticing so when he heard the noise of a window being opened in the bathroom he thought it was an intruder and reacted-that is his story
@@brennies24 All good and fine, but I would still check the bed after I hear a noise in the bathroom, to make sure it is not maybe my girlfriend, before shooting up the place. Living in SA I understand the paranoia with our crime rate... but he is definitely lying on how things played out that night.
I agree with you 100% and i think it's clearly visible in the eyes and face throughout most of his explanation. if you go to 28.28 and listen to his slip up, (punched / pulled) it's either cos he's making it up and contradicted himself within 1 second, or he had 'punched' something and it slipped out. I reckon he punched the door before shooting. Once he had the bat and was body charging and kicking the door, i reckon to punch anything is totally illogical as it's the weakest of the 4. If I couldn't barge , smash with a bat or kick a door in, I'm certainly not going to be punching it. But he certainly says 'punched' at 28.28. To me, that's a very interesting word (slip) in his alibi. Either way, I find him unbelievable and thankfully, so did the judge and jury.
How do you know? Have you robbed houses? What if they are trying to steal and the occupants wake up? They might hide to not be found, they may hide worried the occupant has a gun. Just a thought. I don’t think all behaviour can be labelled that easily. People aren’t programmed robots
@@nevermindthebollocks596hiding and locking the bathroom door are two separate behaviors. A thief wants the options open, not close themself off and be caught, trapped.
I think one sign is that all the time he was "crying", I didn't react. I'm hormonal & cried at a gameshow earlier! If this man had been genuinely crying I would have felt it. It was like there was no weight behind it so it didn't inspire my empathy. The little genuine emotion he musters up seems like self pity rather than grief. I feel for his girlfriend. That was an appalling way to die. She must have been terrified. Xx
This is a great opportunity to warn women in domestic violent situations that men can act like they are soooooo sorry, they will beg for a woman forgiveness and play on her emotions with flair. My mother used to work with survivors and I learnt that if a man hits a woman once, he will hit again and again and often once the women is in so much fear she finds it impossible to leave. Leave the first time he hits you. leave no matter what it takes. He will never get better unless he gets serious help to stop him. Never stay around to give him another chance, or this could be you.
i was married to a guy like that one time, finally someone reminded me that no one had a right to hit me. A light came on in my head and out the door I went.
The longer you stay the harder it will be to leave. If he hits you he is showing you who he really is and you need you believe him and get out. If you stay and 'give him another chance' you are rewarding him for his violence and giving him permission to do it again. And again. Until you are dead.
1st of all, big Cudos to your Mom. Happy New Year!That’s a great comment! It’s passive/aggressive behaviour that you’re not going to notice at first. This also happens with women to women…don’t get me started!
I remember watching all the coverage of this as it unfolded. Watching him telling the story, I was thinking if she got up to pee in the middle of the night, why did she lock the door? Locked with a key, not just an absent minded turn of a knob or push of a button. If I'm dating someone, we're intimate, I'm staying the night, things are great, it's valentine's day. I'm probably not even going to close the door if I'm just getting up to pee. The bathroom is around a little corner, it's not even facing the room. Then I think, I wake up in the middle of the night and I think there's an intruder. My partner is staying the night. The first thing I do is reach over or look over and check the other person. Are they awake? Did they hear that? Are they up bumping around? The story is not believable. Then the fake crying and freaking out reminds me of a person preemptively freaking out to head off any criticism.
Hey guys--analysis request: Robert Wagner vehemently denies having anything to do with the mysterious and unsolved death of Natalie Wood from a yacht in Catalina in 1981. For the first time he openly recounts the "events" of that night to his stepdaughter Natasha Gregson in HBO's Natalie Wood documentary What Remains Behind. I'd pay good money to see what Chase Hughes has to say on that.
I remember watching part of the trial of this sniveling little weasel. It's so obviously a domestic abuse case, he chased her into the bathroom, tried to beat the door down, he couldn't get in which made him more mad so he shot her through the door. Totally evil. Also I want to pay tribute to her as from what I've read she was as beautiful inside as out. Such a tragedy she met such a controlling and abusive individual. I was so angry at the inappropriately short sentence too. Keep the videos coming guys, you're all awesome xx
One doc about the case told about a phone call Reeva got that night from an old boyfriend, Oscar was very jealous and that most likely was the factor that caused him to kill her. He had an extremely short fuse.
I'm South African and many of our people mix up their tenses. However, you should have watched the show in court - vomiting, snot flying - "Oscar or Emmy performance" Appears she may have been "chatting" to an ex, and I think he lost his sht! Most of us who have been in crime situations (Here) know the flight response is very very strong - not going into a situation, but fleeing. I think your suggestion that he beat the door, and when she refused to come out, he shot the daylights out of her, was most plausible. Good analysis!
Check out their huge episode on missing kids parents. There’s some that are caught lying, they really hurt their kids but there’s at least one set that weren’t, their kid was taken. That’s the only one I can remember where there’s a comparison with people who are not lying. I haven’t seen all the videos, maybe there’s more.
Love these guys. Subtle humour, intellect, and respect on display here. Each individual is technically outstanding. Together they have decades of combined experience and are overwhelmingly convincing. They provide clear explanations of human behaviour, each adding layers of logical supportive evidence. They largely base their comments on biology, observation, and science but include some good ole common sense for good measure. They listen to each other intently and respectfully. I love that.
I agree totally. They have such rapport. And I love it when one of them says something funny & they get the giggles. Like Scott's story about his cat racing through the house & him hitting his leg. It was hilarious.
My late, former husband used to cry like that after he beat me. I feel such a fool for taking three years to realise he wasn't sorry, he wasn't sick. He was just a bastard.
me too, he always managed to make me think it was my fault, that I had done or said something that caused him to have to hit me lol. He also would sit and cry, I would be sitting there injured, listening to him crying and feel bad for him. God I was a putz, fortunately someone interevened
@@TheBehaviorPanel yes definitely, a great idea! I don’t have time to sit and read a book but I often listen to one while I’m driving, walking the dogs or doing housework. More people may buy your book if it’s an audio.
Definitely. You do have a great voice for an audio book. I love the sound of Brene Brown reading her own book. I've tried others she has someone else narrarating. I can't listen get past the first chapter.
My son in law and his brothers were at school with Oscar... NOBODY messed with Oscar. He was fearless, vicious and would head-butt big able bodied peers . A friend's daughter went out with him for a couple of years. He would put her on the naughty step while he went out, and there would be hell to pay if she got off the naughty step. He was extremely jealous and scary. He was irked at a restaurant one night and fired his gun underneath the table. People were scared of him. He was so abusive to his girlfriend before Reeva, that one night a friend of hers grabbed hold of the girlfriends arm at a party at his house and said, no, you're coming with me.. You cannot put up with Oscar's abuse.. As they went to walk out of the door, he slammed this huge rotating door against her leg and broke her ankle.. Ie the ankle of the girl who was trying to help his girlfriend. Her parents went to the police who arrested Oscar and put him in jail for the weekend. This case was unfinished when he murdered Reeva. The court was not allowed to bring this up. Other misdemeanours like smashing up a boat while he was completely drunk were inadmissible in court. He behaved very badly after one Olympic race as he doesn't get the gold medal. Embarrassing. . He made such a fuss. And, funnily enough, there were security guards around this high security complex he lived in.. He had a double storey house.. How can a burglar climb up a wall 2 storeys high in an extremely well lit complex..?? Spiderman? Oscar had his 2 terrier pit bulls security dogs with them.. They didn't bark??... Reevas jeans were on the bed.. She had been trying to get dressed and ran through to the bathroom in her panties and underwear..,, the prosecutions case was compromised as the police made so many blunders.. 2 different neighbours heard a woman screaming in terror, and arguing before the shooting. She had received an innocent sms from a rugby player causal friend and it is thought that is what may have provoked him. Maybe she said she's going home as he was probably so jealous.. It seems she tried to get dressed to go and then he really lost it.. Who .. knows? Sadly, his father is very aggressive and mentally abusive, so Oscar didn't have a good relationship with him,and never lived with his dad but lived with his Uncle who is apparently a wonderful person. His mother died when he was young, but she was very kind and loving. She used to pray for Oscar regularly and when she went to Jerusalem with a friend, they both sat with their legs in the pool of Siloam while they prayed that God would draw Oscar to Him and save him. That's the pool where Jesus healed the paralytic. His mom died soon after that while he was still at school
What stands out most to me aside from the poorly executed howl while he’s hiding his face and trying to cry, is that he makes the interview all about him. His girlfriend was dead on the floor, but he’s talking about his reaction to it, HIS decisions, HIS realizations, HIS movements and yes, he uses the present tense to try to recall some “emotion.” In my opinion, one wouldn’t have to recall a thing if the story were genuine.
I remember when this happened, it was a shocker, for sure. The story never made sense from the outset and his history of temper tantrums just told us all what the truth was. The fake crying at the end of this was awful, I know when crying is real because it makes me tear up. Fake crying just makes me very uncomfortable and irritated with the person faking it
Exactly, that fake bawlinf is such a cringe. Plus, as they said, it is difficult to speak in such distress, your voice hitches, becomes deformed, you gasp for breath, and this is starting to happen way before you break down. At no point did I actually feel like tearing up myself.
As a woman my red flags were: - He didn't immediately check for her in bed and then where she was. A guy that loves his wife/gf as he claims he does will immediately check for her first. Out of pure instinct. - The entire story is about him, him, him. No empathy how Reeva must have felt. Or account of what she did. None. There was no way she never whispered back, tried to calm him down, etc. She was an able-bodied young woman and yet she is treated like this silent doll that was just shot. Doesn't make any sense. - They were together 3 months, THE honeymoon phase, and she was stunningly beautiful. And yet he won't even mention it. Really untypical for a heterosexual man who chooses this type of girlfriend. Having a beautiful model partner is a status symbol for many men. He also never says anything like "MY beautiful Reeva". No possessive pronouns that indicate belonging. It's just "her" or "Reeva". - There's an intruder in the house, he is disabled and at a disadvantage - even as an athlete - and yet he shouts for Reeva without knowing who may still be in the house. There could be multiple intruders. And then he shoots without targetting anyone in particular or knowing where Reeva is. And he was wide awake by then and aware of his surroundings. - The clear monologue first and then, "I pu, pu, pulled..." Followed by that wail. Please...🙄🙄🙄 - He chooses his words so carefully and then says, "...she had fa... was slumped over the toilet..." Almost leakage of what had really happened. - Was he laughing while faking rage-wailing and had to cover his face because of this? His performance was awful and really, really creepy. It indicated to me how much rage he may be capable of.
Yo, Scott was totally right, when I watched the trial, my intuition was telling me that OP was hitting the bathroom door with the cricket bat first, and then went an retrieved the gun and shot it in an uncontrollable rage. Edit: I literally cannot look at his mouth.
Same. Yeah, this was insane. One od my friends lived on his street and they couldn't get out of the house for a week because of the media, police and gawkers.
I'm South African - thank you for weighing in on this. Oscar lied to Reeva's family, his own and the South African public. It's a travesty that he received so few years 😔 She locked herself in the bathroom with her phone at 3am. Neighbours heard yelling - the interview with one of the neighbors is so heartbreaking. Also - I recall that Oscar couldn't "remember" his iphone password - I don't think they were able to access it... A journalist has also written about Oscar knocking a dog and jumping out of the car and shooting it - who does that!!! I really wish he'd gotten more years - fyi - his sentence was increased from 5 years (ridiculous!!) to 13 years 5 months
That is not the full story I didnt miss one single court appearance or round table discussion if he wanted to kill her he would not have stood 7 metres away skew leaning onto a wall to shoot at the door he would have gone straight to the toilet door If he was bashing the door down bf he shot her. She could have hide next to the toilet and the wall not sit there like an open target. One night when they had a fight she immediately grabbed her stuff and drove home to Joburg at night and phoned her mom She would not have stayed I excammened his behavioural patterns and hers It was a hot night both struggled to sleep and Reeva had to leave early I dont agree Everything he said was more concirmed by a forensic cop for the state than the one on his own team that was old and didnt do such a good job. Out of his primal reactions with the fear freeze and flight reaction everything add3d up to what he was saying . I have been alot in court with People like Oscar Dont agree with you at all
I always new from first hearing about this horrific death of Reeva! OP did it knowing she had locked herself in the bathroom! OP should have been found guilty the first trial,!
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And Pistorius never - in his recall of the event - says that Reeva spoke during the time of the 'so-called' intruder. The fact that she was in the washroom, meant that she was awake and aware of him yelling. She would have spoken to let him know where she was. I agree that he was telling her to 'get out of my house', not an intruder.
I work at a secondary school in the UK and his manner of telling the story, the way he wants to be seen crying and then that forced wailing - it’s so familiar of a teenager trying to stay out of trouble. I’ve spoken to so many kids that try to avoid taking culpability for their actions in the same way. It’s incredibly obvious to adults watching but in the kids’ heads they are fooling everyone. I think this is why it’s hard to find any sympathy or empathy despite his story being tragic, everyone knows one of those kids and it is not convincing any of us.
Interesting fact: Oscar's aunt is Micki Pistorius. She is a Forensic Psychologist and the first South African Profiler. Trained with the FBI if I remember correctly. Great work, gentlemen. Love from Cape Town (where we have lions not tigers) xxxx
Have you read her books? She's one strange lady. She gave the work up as it was taking it's toll on her - she said she would go so deep in thinking like the serial murderer that it messed her up
I have done it too- the very last man I will ever be with- he called the cops when I locked him out of the bathroom to get away from his verbal abuse and vomit and told 911 I was suicidal and locked myself in to hurt myself. POS The sheriff believed ME and almost arrested him for being on drugs or something.
Malignant narc..been out of control for years and finally went too far. RIP sweet Reeva. She was going to work so hard for the welfare of girls and women. He should have got life!
Have you ever noticed that when someone is fake crying, you want to plug your ears? I bet that's how the interviewer felt. I know I certainly did. You're cringing in second-hand embarrassment for the person.
I often cry if I see someone else cry. Doesn't even have to be real. I cry at actors crying who are playing a role. But every time you played OP's clips I had to turn them down because they annoyed me so much.
Same, he's so fake. I'm at 40.11 and paused the video to take a break and read the comments because he's so OTT, scream-crying in front of the interviewer, as if. He's putting on a show to be believed and it's just embarrassing and gross. Disgusting man. Poor reeva. He seems insane. :(
I've watched a few of your videos and I'm so happy that I found you guys. I love how each of you have equal time and you are so thoughtful of each other. I love each of your professional views.
I watched parts of the trial and it convinced me he was guilty, no doubt about that whatsoever in my mind. He should have been locked away for life. Great job by the panel!
Remember before all this happened he so called accidentally shot a gun under a table in a restaurant and asked his mate to take the blame .. he is an absolute maniac
When someone is actually crying I find myself crying too. Especially as I get older. If they're fake-crying, I just find it kind of embarrassing. This guy's acting is so over the top, it's downright cringeworthy.
To me, in the last clip, his "crying" seemed more like laughter and it was as though he had to start wailing to cover that up. And notice how everything he was doing immediately stopped and his whole demeanor changed the second he decided to get up. It was like "whew.. ok, I'm good. I can stop acting now."
I do agree with the fact that he is guilty. The "language" usage that you mentioned should be explained: As an Afrikaans speaking person I can tell you with asurity that when you are stressed, you automatically do direct literal translation from Afrikaans to English. Living in an English environment, I am regularly misunderstood by the word order and direct translation. When in fight or flight mode, Language rules go out the window. Eg: in school in SA you learn to tell a story in present / past tense. Then you have to try and remember how and when to use perfect tense. It's very confusing. Afrikaans has a different sentence construction and use more words per thought than in English. I think that you are far to focused on his language usage. There are more than enough other body language clues to make your point. He is in my opinion not the sharpest tool in the box and his English is used for simple communication.
Thank you for sharing this information Kaalvoet! It seems there are plenty of other reasons for suspecting his guilt, AND this is a very important reminder to know facts about a person's culture before you apply these techniques. I certainly never knew this about South African language useage, and I find that very interesting. As a Canadian many people think there are not many differences between us and Americans. But as someone born in Prince Edward Island, Canada, who grew up in five different provinces before university, and a few more after, who worked for an America company in the states on occasion, this is not the case. In fact, there are subtle but significant differences between western and eastern Canada itself culturally, and my "friendliness" and "small talk" was considered to be very suspicious in Vancouver, Victoria, and actually all of British Columbia! Whereas back home in PEI, stop to ask anyone for directions - an example being two fishers tying up their boat - and they'll soon know where you're from, if you're related to them, and how; you may even be invited to a nice fish dinner that night like I was!
Very true (my home language is also Afrikaans), but even though Oscar's surname is an Afrikaans surname, he grew up in an English environment and English schools, which might give more weight when assessing his use of language. However, it might be that even South African English speakers use the "Saffa" version of English. Good insight though!
He’s yelling all these commands...”Reeva, get on the floor! Get on the ceiling! Jump out the window! Order a pizza! No anchovies!” He doesn’t find it odd that there’s no reply? She’s not screaming, crying...nothing. He’s not concerned that, given her silence, maybe...just maybe, she’s the one in the bathroom. Why not confirm the whereabouts of your partner before you start firing through a locked door? He’s hoping that people will believe that she chose to remain silent during this ordeal, and that someone broke into his home to use his toilet.
It's taken me a long time to watch this one because of how disgusted I am by Oscar and his joke of a sentence. I'm so glad you guys dissect and explain just how terrible of a liar he is. RIP Reeva.
Pistorius is only concerned for himself There is no grief for Reeva If you notice he nearly drops himself in it by almost saying Reeva had fallen in the toilet , but then changed it to slump This tells me she was arguing with him at the door and he shot at her He should go to prison forever
I noticed that, too. He caught himself saying "fallen" and corrected to "slumped". Means quite a bit for how she would've been position in the bathroom and the picture Pistorius has to paint.
54:47 Chase you are 100% correct, autopsy showed that she had been dead for at least an hour when the ambulance arrived... that means he picked her up from the bathroom upstairs, which he obviously did with his prosthetic legs, carried her downstairs and laid her out to stage a nice scene - and in the process messing up the crime scene completely. He has now been released and still says it was an accident... Greg, try and find some video about his court case - he actually had a little bucket with him, because he kept on vomiting "because he was so overcome with grief". It was a complete Circus....
Chase is a really funny guy-in a good way. I also love the other panelist’s response to Chase’s quirky humor, especially Mark’s. Makes me smile.. All you guys are very knowledgeable in your fields and very entertaining. Love your channel, gentlemen.
Maybe you'll tell us of the electrified fence that surrounds your house. Perhaps you'll tell us which "Armed Response" private security firm you employ. Yes,I've been to SA...when not at Kruger we stayed in Rosebank and Sandton (suburban Johannesburg) and every building I saw there (commercial and residential) had those fences,those signs,those iron bars over the windows/doors/gates.
@@antonialudick6229 OK,so are you willing to acknowledge that his "intruder" claim just might be the truth? I'm not insisting that it is...only two people actually know what did,and didn't,happen that night...and one of them is dead.
@@jackfitzpatrick8173 no I don’t believe his claim. I just said he was a national hero that effed up. I don’t believe him for a second. Followed the trial on tv. I think it was the first trial ever to be broadcasted in SA in real time.
@@antonialudick6229 I've seen the breathtaking poverty found in SA up close. While driving from Sandton (*very* affluent) up to Kruger we passed by a township very close to Sandton that our driver (an Afrikanner) told us a lot about. I,unlike many Westerners,know that gun battles...complete with multiple AK-47s...take place in SA every day. And in broad daylight. These incidents are remenicent of Mozambique or the DRC. IOW,I,unlike many Westerners,know that his "intruder" claim could very well be the truth.Again,I'm not insisting that it is but will you at least admit that your country is so breathtakingly violent (electrified fences in middle class suburbs) that things like that happen many,many,*many* times each day (and night)?
When he corrects himself from saying that she'd fallen over the toilet to she'd slumped over the toilet e.g "She'd fall[en]...she'd slumped over the toilet", it seems to me that he had accidentaly said something that had happened during their fight. You can even see the grief muscle relax for a moment as he thinks his way out of that mistake. (38m14s - 38m19s) Just my take on it.
Sure..he wakes up in the middle of the night. Fails to mention that his gf is not sleeping next to him. There are noises coming from the bathroom. He assumes that an intruder has locked themselves there..[What kind of an intruder traps themselves in the bathroom where they can't escape?). Oscar just grabs his gun and just shoots.4 times. Then realises that it was his gf instead of an intruder. Who was locked inside the bathroom in the middle of the night. Why would she lock herself there unless she was afraid of someone and was trying to protect herself?
You wake up in the middle of the night and don't realize your gf isn't in the bed? Riiiiight. And somebody's in the bathroom and your first thought isn't that it's her? Riiiiight.
My husband doesn't like this show since I started using the techniques to catch him in fibs. "When you say you cleaned the grill 'at some stage' can you explain that a bit more? When exactly would that have been?" 🤣🤣🤣
I have a roommate. In the night when I hear someone in the bathroom I don't grab my gun and starting shooting through the door. I assume it my roommate using the bathroom.
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Wish you all would do a panel on body language (behavior) to help women extract from controlling relationships before violence escalates. If you feel fear or threat, you should trust those instincts and get out. Reva’s story is heart breaking.
Unfortunately we can ignore the red flags when we're really into someone :/ I did that a few times when I was younger. We live and learn though...I think if most people who've experienced abusive dynamics were to see those same dynamics at play in someone else's relationship, they'd spot them for what they are straight off. It can be difficult to be objective about things when strong emotions are involved, and when you want- more than anything else- to believe that the person is the idealised version you have of them in your head, reality often takes a back seat. I agree though. It'd be helpful - particularly for young people- to be taught about healthy relationships from a social point of view- not just from a sex- ed point of view. Especially as young people coming from homes where parents are abusive are more likely to find themselves in abusive relationships down the road. There's a comfort in the familiar- even if it's not healthy. Sometimes it's not until many years ( and many awful experiences) later that we realise at all that what we've experienced and considered "normal" is actually NOT normal/ healthy/ ok.
I agree! That would be a great idea! Especially pulling apart the language at the love bombing stage of a relationship. Learning how to spot when someone is lying right from the beginning before the trauma bond begins could really help people.
As a woman this is hard to watch because his performance screams LIAR! from the very first minute of this interview. Having struggled through until 39:50 all I can think of is punching his face repeatedly as hard as I can because I can't stand any more of this bs crap he's putting on. It's disgusting.
I knew this guy murdered her in rage when the neighbors said they heard bloodcurdling screams of a woman, screaming for her life. I can hear her screaming as he is trying to break down the door, telling her he's going to kill her. When he can't break the door down he gets the gun. It's a tiny room. It's like shooting a sitting duck. She had nowhere to go.
I am one of those people who automatically responds with tears when I witness something that genuinely moves me. It happens a lot like with news stories on TV. When Oscar Pistorius was crying here, I felt nothing. I think I'm a good barometer of genuine emotion. Still, I rely on my instincts. It's nice to see things broken down by these guys. I guess my "instincts" is just me picking up on the clues they describe without knowing I'm doing it. Hmmm, now I'm worried that I have too many "ing" verbs here. What did Chase say about "ing" verbs?
By the way, even if he did really think it was an intruder in the bathroom: shooting someone like that execution-style is also considered murder ! According to him, he didn't hear any noise, at no point was he threatened by anyone with a weapon, so it's clearly not a case of self-defense. To protect himself, he could have retreated from that bathroom door. It's only self-defense when you are chased down and with your back to the wall and are threatened and have no other means of saving your life. In this case however, it was Oscar going after the alleged intruder, who was sitting in a trap in that bathroom. No matter if the other person has committed an illegal act, you cannot simply gun him down like that.
Past girlfriends said he had a violent temper. Also he engaged in thrill seeking, high risk activities. Emotions seem shallow. Assessing this guy with the Hare psychopathy checklist would be interesting.
And, he thinks that an "intruder" is in the bathroom...that's your green light to turn on the lights, dial 911. Of course, intruders always sneak into the bathroom, because there's a lot to steal in there.
There is no 911 in SA, you lucky if anyone answers our emergency calls, if you do get through then you have about a 2 hour wait for cops to arrive if you are lucky!
SA does not have 911. Our police service is atrocious. And yes, criminals DO enter through bathroom windows. This is SA, criminals will enter through any place they can.
I'm from SA. What a great assessment, so interesting, thank you🙏 He was speaking in the present tense much of the time, which I found strange & I felt it was all from his head, thinking, & not from his heart! As for the fake wailing at the end, that just sealed it for me!
Oscar Pistorius crying in agony for himself and his destroyed life is really obnoxious. He has lost everything. He wasn’t weeping for Riva, but for himself.
If you are in a flat with one other person and you both got into the same bed and you are later wakened up by a noise , the first thing I feel you would think was that it was the other person, which you would confirm by immediately ascertaining that they were not in the bed with you ! You would then calmly think that they had gone to the bathroom ! He is so guilty !
I left an abusive marriage and I saw the first warning sign when he showed no respect for his mom and calling her hateful names. I did not want my daughters to think that it's ok to be hit by a man or being verbally abusive and I filed for divorce he would call my daughters tramps and they were only 8 and 6yrs old. My daughters and I went through counseling and from what I have told my therapist and my daughters told the same therapist that I should never let my guard down because I took back control of my life. This has been 32+ years and at times I still live in fear. I have told my daughters DO NOT let him know where my husband and I live because they are putting me in danger.
As a woman, I've always taken extra precaution in locking a door by taking the key out. Reeva must hv felt that she was in real danger for the key not to be in the lock. She took it out for a reason. I believe he was arguing with her and when he became irate she locked herself in the bathroom. He then took the cricket bat to break the door down. ..... I'm pretty upset that he has "church" multiple times in that apartment. Oh God please! Oh Jesus please! Lies!!!!!! He MURDERED her.
The fact that she locked herself in the bathroom with her cell phone. That is very telling. She is hiding from his violent rage. Neighbors said they heard a woman and a man screaming at each other. It was Valentines day night. I think her previous boyfriend or new suiter texted her something romantic and this jerk flew into a rage.
That makes you a jerk? So if you boyfriend starts getting texts from his potential new chick the day before valentines day and you get angry you're the jerk? Feminism is worthless
I know practically nothing about analyzing body behavior but I know a guilty man like this when I see and hear it. Every thing about his delivery says I’m lying. I can’t find an honest moment here.
LT said he felt that he was groomed by him too. I remember feeling disappointed by that doc, felt LT didnt dig as much as usual and that was before any of the scandal came out
@@rachell7682 I was (and probably still am, honestly) a big fan of Louis. But he backtracked about his suspicions on Savile, and I don’t think he did enough to challenge him at the time, or in the years between the doc and the revelations coming out officially. I guess it is important to realise the fact it was an entertainment show first, Weird Weekends. But I agree with you, I’m increasingly dubious about Louis.
My first thought was why would she need to lock the bathroom door if she was just waking up to use the restroom. No she ran in there trying to escape death. How tragic.
The door was locked from the inside bc she locked him out for her own safety. She had told her mother that sometimes she was afraid of him. She was a beautiful and kind lady, he did not deserve her and knew it.
"I thought she was breathing so I started to give her mouth to mouth". Perhaps it just me but I thought that you are supposed to do that if a person is NOT breathing! But perhaps that is just a danish thing...
I am from South Africa, in fact from the same city it has happened. My next-door neighbour was dating him before she got married and she told me she was very nervous to go and testify. I did not want to intrude and ask her if it was because of Oscar or just nerves for being on the spot in the courtroom. Oscar was a very volatile person and he got away with stuff because of his Celebrity status. He fired a firearm in a crowded restaurant a month before he killed Reeva and asked a friend to take the blame and to cover for him. Back to this story...Obviously, Oscar and Reeva had long and VERY heated arguments that night. I think (pure speculation on my part though) that Reeva "fired" back with a comment at one stage, hinting on his disability and he felt his masculinity and ego was insulted. I think he got so mad, that she fled into the toilet and refused to open up and that he shot through the toilet door in rage. Reality has obviously set in very quickly after that and he tried to break open the door. I think she was still alive, but that the scene that met him was SO grim, he had to finish her off to save his own ass and then concoct a story. I never bought the story that he was afraid that intruders would catch him unaware because of him being on his stumps. He was to my knowledge a narcissist, who would shoot first and then ask questions. I do not believe he got what he deserved, but it is not for me to judge. That is up to God and the vengeance is His.
I don't believe that she would have mocked his disability. If his disability was an issue for her, she wouldn't have been with him in the first place. His phone records showed that as he arrived home that day, he was on the phone to his ex girlfriend. It had been a long chat, so what was that about? Maybe the girl rang again & Reeva wanted to know why. There was a graze on her back, which detectives thought was done with the bat, because the skin was torn downwards, as if he'd taken a swipe at her as she fled the room. Her friend says that when Reeva stayed with her, she NEVER locked the bathroom door. I think that the only reason she would have locked it on this occasion, was to protect herself from him & his bat. When that didn't work out for him, he got his gun.
Great vid! I'd always wondered about him. Would love to see a Jimmy Saville analysis. When he was a grown man he dated my aunt when she was 14. He turned up at my Nan's house for dinner, but when Nan saw who the new boyfriend was, she wouldn't let him in! And he genuinely said "don't you know who I am?!" Nan never let my aunt see him again. Who knows what she saved my aunt from 😳🙈.
Cheekymunki. Your nan probably saved her from death. Jimmy Saville was a child murderer of a 10 year old boy and most likely a 13 year old girl and I am sure that Jimmy Saville murdered other children too. I know of a 6 year old who escaped his evil clutches and lived to tell of what happened to those children. Thank goodness Jimmy saville is dead. RIP all Jimmy Saville's victims. The 6 year old did tell the authorities about what happened at the time, 1972. Nothing was done. Saville was later given an OBE.
Robby Bobby Robby. Sorry but Mr Saville's antics were known about in 1972 . The police most likely knew but other agencies including a retired army psychiatrist knew. By 1981 plenty of people knew, even people who worked on TOTP. I know that the survivor told anyone in authority who would listen. There is documented evidence that the survivor recounted what happened to the authorities many times whilst Mr Saville was still alive. Children who went into the care system were obviously considered disposable by those paid for by the state to care for them.
Just to make this very clear the person referred to as Mr Saville was Mr Jimmy Saville OBE. The incident that the survivor witnessed first hand actually took place in September 1972. More than one person was involved in the murder of a 10 year old child, which was actually witnessed by 6 year old in 1972. I am sure Mr Saville was very popular with his pals but popularity does not mean that someone is a good person. The survivor prefers to stick to the truth however uncomfortable that makes Mr Saville's friends feel.
I know nothing about body language but I knew with every fibre of my being whilst watching the trial that he is a liar and she had locked herself in the bathroom out of fear and he shot at the door lock.
In Afrikaans we generally use the present tense when recounting something that happened in the past. This is known as the historic present. Pistorius has a partly Afrikaans background. This may have influenced his use of the historic present tense.
@@allysonogston522 He was not very English, maybe South-African English, but his Afrikaans heritage is indeed the reason why uses "historic present tense".
From South Africa. Pistorius lived in a very safe estate with security galore - very slim chance of an 'intruder'. At the time of the case, I was sitting in a dispute resolution forum with numerous attorneys. In chatting about the case during recesses, everyone believed it was a dramatic concocted tale from beginning to end. What he was mad about apparently had to do with a message Reeva received from a male friend. He almost got away on his stumps! Had it not been for a determined prosecutor. Still, he won't be serving nearly enough time.
I'm a South African. When you have a burglar in your house and you realize their in the bathroom with the door closed you realize they are scared. Fantastic! Run out, get help from the neighbours, shout at Reva upstairs to lock the bedroom door your getting help. Or go hide upstairs with Reva and shout for help to scare away the burglar (he lost the opportunity of surprise). Oscar has a temper problem, he is unstable and has a previous incident with being irresponsible with his weapon (it was actually in public). She locked the bathroom door, I'll only do that in my bf's house when I am scared. We just don't lock bathroom doors in the middle of the night. I don't understand how his friends and family did not request the police to take away his weapons because of his rage issues and firing the gun incidents.
Oscar lost his mind and poor Reva ran to the bathroom with her phone to call for help because Oscar was set to kill her. He has some kind of personality disorder where he can't control his rage. Also a really bad actor /liar. The extended sentence was right. Reeva was executed by this entitled Narcissist.
Any woman or man that's in fear of somebody, will lock themselves in and take the key out, just so the perpetrator can't then use it to get in .. and I never believed him from the get go, in my opinion, they'd argued and he got angry when she locked herself in and wouldn't open the door, the cricket bat was used first, not after and when he couldn't get in that's when shots were fired ..
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Please do serial killer Edmund Kemper. He's the most brilliant fascinating having therapy training from observing therapists when institutionalized. Ted Bundy is nothing next to Kempers intelligence. Thank you! Love you guys!!
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This guy would not take off any starch out of the rice then…he’d fail the Chinese test.
There is another South African guy you guys should check out. Dawie de Villiers. I would love to hear your thoughts on him. Conman, predator, "business man". Used 3 different identities and from what I understand he is still running his business from prison....
I am from South Africa and the one thing I could never understand about this case is this - IF you wake up and think there is an intruder, wouldn't your first reaction be to wake the person next to you?!
Absolutely
Surely it's more logical not to check but instead pick your gun up and blindly blasting it through the bathroom door
he was out of bed as he was bringing in fans that he had left on the balcony as they were noisy while he was doing this Reeva went to the bathroom without him noticing so when he heard the noise of a window being opened in the bathroom he thought it was an intruder and reacted-that is his story
@@brennies24 All good and fine, but I would still check the bed after I hear a noise in the bathroom, to make sure it is not maybe my girlfriend, before shooting up the place. Living in SA I understand the paranoia with our crime rate... but he is definitely lying on how things played out that night.
Yes! You are so right! I wouldn’t leave my husband to be mutilated in his sleep. You are definitely right!
I'm an empathetic cryer, if I walk into a room and a stranger is crying I well up. Watching this left me cold.
Same. It is so horrifying. That poor woman. 😭💔😭💔
I had the same response, his tears aren't for her, they're for himself.
I learn so much from these videos. Could you please do a Mark Zuckerberg interview? I'd be curious to see what insight you all have on him.
Yes!! This would be brilliant
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Yes! That would be so interesting
@PeckyThePigeon Surely you jest.🙄
@PeckyThePigeon seriously?! You do know he's a rocker feller and Facebook is their sugar mountain?!
We don't usually lock the bathroom door when we are with a close person, like a fiance. But do lock the door to get away from an abuser...
yea, or if she wanted to have a phone conversation or text in privacy without him barging in on her.
God bless you for saying this.
Intruders don’t lock themselves in bathrooms, victims of domestic abuse do, this guy is a cold blooded liar
Yes
I agree with you 100% and i think it's clearly visible in the eyes and face throughout most of his explanation. if you go to 28.28 and listen to his slip up, (punched / pulled) it's either cos he's making it up and contradicted himself within 1 second, or he had 'punched' something and it slipped out. I reckon he punched the door before shooting. Once he had the bat and was body charging and kicking the door, i reckon to punch anything is totally illogical as it's the weakest of the 4. If I couldn't barge , smash with a bat or kick a door in, I'm certainly not going to be punching it. But he certainly says 'punched' at 28.28. To me, that's a very interesting word (slip) in his alibi. Either way, I find him unbelievable and thankfully, so did the judge and jury.
How do you know? Have you robbed houses? What if they are trying to steal and the occupants wake up? They might hide to not be found, they may hide worried the occupant has a gun. Just a thought. I don’t think all behaviour can be labelled that easily. People aren’t programmed robots
@@nevermindthebollocks596hiding and locking the bathroom door are two separate behaviors. A thief wants the options open, not close themself off and be caught, trapped.
Mark is brilliant. The aggressive howl ( ape howl) is acting- poor actor.
I think one sign is that all the time he was "crying", I didn't react. I'm hormonal & cried at a gameshow earlier! If this man had been genuinely crying I would have felt it. It was like there was no weight behind it so it didn't inspire my empathy.
The little genuine emotion he musters up seems like self pity rather than grief.
I feel for his girlfriend. That was an appalling way to die. She must have been terrified.
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💯agree with your entire comment
So true
I noticed the same I normally feel someone's pain...I did not feel his.
Absolutely nailed it. As an empath, to watch that and feel absolutely nothing was disconcerting and very telling 😒
very Wise && true
This is a great opportunity to warn women in domestic violent situations that men can act like they are soooooo sorry, they will beg for a woman forgiveness and play on her emotions with flair. My mother used to work with survivors and I learnt that if a man hits a woman once, he will hit again and again and often once the women is in so much fear she finds it impossible to leave. Leave the first time he hits you. leave no matter what it takes. He will never get better unless he gets serious help to stop him. Never stay around to give him another chance, or this could be you.
I love him
i was married to a guy like that one time, finally someone reminded me that no one had a right to hit me. A light came on in my head and out the door I went.
The longer you stay the harder it will be to leave. If he hits you he is showing you who he really is and you need you believe him and get out. If you stay and 'give him another chance' you are rewarding him for his violence and giving him permission to do it again. And again. Until you are dead.
Read " Why I stayed in an Abusive marriage by Sarah Winters " it's sold on Amazon and Barnes and noble.
1st of all, big Cudos to your Mom. Happy New Year!That’s a great comment! It’s passive/aggressive behaviour that you’re not going to notice at first. This also happens with women to women…don’t get me started!
I remember watching all the coverage of this as it unfolded. Watching him telling the story, I was thinking if she got up to pee in the middle of the night, why did she lock the door? Locked with a key, not just an absent minded turn of a knob or push of a button. If I'm dating someone, we're intimate, I'm staying the night, things are great, it's valentine's day. I'm probably not even going to close the door if I'm just getting up to pee. The bathroom is around a little corner, it's not even facing the room. Then I think, I wake up in the middle of the night and I think there's an intruder. My partner is staying the night. The first thing I do is reach over or look over and check the other person. Are they awake? Did they hear that? Are they up bumping around? The story is not believable. Then the fake crying and freaking out reminds me of a person preemptively freaking out to head off any criticism.
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Hey guys--analysis request: Robert Wagner vehemently denies having anything to do with the mysterious and unsolved death of Natalie Wood from a yacht in Catalina in 1981. For the first time he openly recounts the "events" of that night to his stepdaughter Natasha Gregson in HBO's Natalie Wood documentary What Remains Behind.
I'd pay good money to see what Chase Hughes has to say on that.
Yes, I'd love to see that too
Oh yeah, good call!
Yes!!!
Yes, that’s an excellent idea, would love to see that analyzed
He was guilty i said it from the start being very young at that stage but Oscar is not guilty of murder but for manslaughter
I remember watching part of the trial of this sniveling little weasel. It's so obviously a domestic abuse case, he chased her into the bathroom, tried to beat the door down, he couldn't get in which made him more mad so he shot her through the door.
Totally evil.
Also I want to pay tribute to her as from what I've read she was as beautiful inside as out. Such a tragedy she met such a controlling and abusive individual.
I was so angry at the inappropriately short sentence too.
Keep the videos coming guys, you're all awesome xx
One doc about the case told about a phone call Reeva got that night from an old boyfriend, Oscar was very jealous and that most likely was the factor that caused him to kill her. He had an extremely short fuse.
I'm South African and many of our people mix up their tenses. However, you should have watched the show in court - vomiting, snot flying - "Oscar or Emmy performance" Appears she may have been "chatting" to an ex, and I think he lost his sht! Most of us who have been in crime situations (Here) know the flight response is very very strong - not going into a situation, but fleeing. I think your suggestion that he beat the door, and when she refused to come out, he shot the daylights out of her, was most plausible. Good analysis!
I'd love to see a compilation of people NOT lying. Because I'm forgetting what honesty looks like.
Yes, or a side to side, especially in less clear situations or with people in very emotional situations.
Check out their huge episode on missing kids parents. There’s some that are caught lying, they really hurt their kids but there’s at least one set that weren’t, their kid was taken. That’s the only one I can remember where there’s a comparison with people who are not lying. I haven’t seen all the videos, maybe there’s more.
Love these guys. Subtle humour, intellect, and respect on display here. Each individual is technically outstanding. Together they have decades of combined experience and are overwhelmingly convincing. They provide clear explanations of human behaviour, each adding layers of logical supportive evidence. They largely base their comments on biology, observation, and science but include some good ole common sense for good measure. They listen to each other intently and respectfully. I love that.
Thank you, Dave. 👍
I agree totally. They have such rapport. And I love it when one of them says something funny & they get the giggles. Like Scott's story about his cat racing through the house & him hitting his leg. It was hilarious.
My late, former husband used to cry like that after he beat me. I feel such a fool for taking three years to realise he wasn't sorry, he wasn't sick. He was just a bastard.
He was sick but, that's no excuse
You are no fool. You want to believe him, who wouldn’t! Main thing is you did realize and got out. You are no fool.
me too, he always managed to make me think it was my fault, that I had done or said something that caused him to have to hit me lol. He also would sit and cry, I would be sitting there injured, listening to him crying and feel bad for him. God I was a putz, fortunately someone interevened
@@evecaudill9927 No, he wasn't sick. He was just a nasty person.
@@Fiddlesticks52 Thanks. Now married to a great man for 46 years and still going strong.
Scott, you need to start doing audiobooks. I could listen to you for hours with that velvety voice.
Thank you Doris. Maybe I should do my book.
@@TheBehaviorPanel yes definitely, a great idea! I don’t have time to sit and read a book but I often listen to one while I’m driving, walking the dogs or doing housework. More people may buy your book if it’s an audio.
Definitely. You do have a great voice for an audio book. I love the sound of Brene Brown reading her own book. I've tried others she has someone else narrarating. I can't listen get past the first chapter.
@@TheBehaviorPanel you definitely should! I was just thinking about what a great voice you have for radio while listening to this show in my car!
Please do audio books Scott. And Mark please record your hayulp hayulp meme 😊
My son in law and his brothers were at school with Oscar... NOBODY messed with Oscar. He was fearless, vicious and would head-butt big able bodied peers . A friend's daughter went out with him for a couple of years. He would put her on the naughty step while he went out, and there would be hell to pay if she got off the naughty step. He was extremely jealous and scary. He was irked at a restaurant one night and fired his gun underneath the table. People were scared of him. He was so abusive to his girlfriend before Reeva, that one night a friend of hers grabbed hold of the girlfriends arm at a party at his house and said, no, you're coming with me.. You cannot put up with Oscar's abuse.. As they went to walk out of the door, he slammed this huge rotating door against her leg and broke her ankle.. Ie the ankle of the girl who was trying to help his girlfriend. Her parents went to the police who arrested Oscar and put him in jail for the weekend. This case was unfinished when he murdered Reeva. The court was not allowed to bring this up. Other misdemeanours like smashing up a boat while he was completely drunk were inadmissible in court. He behaved very badly after one Olympic race as he doesn't get the gold medal. Embarrassing. . He made such a fuss. And, funnily enough, there were security guards around this high security complex he lived in.. He had a double storey house.. How can a burglar climb up a wall 2 storeys high in an extremely well lit complex..?? Spiderman? Oscar had his 2 terrier pit bulls security dogs with them.. They didn't bark??... Reevas jeans were on the bed.. She had been trying to get dressed and ran through to the bathroom in her panties and underwear..,, the prosecutions case was compromised as the police made so many blunders.. 2 different neighbours heard a woman screaming in terror, and arguing before the shooting. She had received an innocent sms from a rugby player causal friend and it is thought that is what may have provoked him. Maybe she said she's going home as he was probably so jealous.. It seems she tried to get dressed to go and then he really lost it.. Who .. knows? Sadly, his father is very aggressive and mentally abusive, so Oscar didn't have a good relationship with him,and never lived with his dad but lived with his Uncle who is apparently a wonderful person. His mother died when he was young, but she was very kind and loving. She used to pray for Oscar regularly and when she went to Jerusalem with a friend, they both sat with their legs in the pool of Siloam while they prayed that God would draw Oscar to Him and save him. That's the pool where Jesus healed the paralytic. His mom died soon after that while he was still at school
Wow....very interesting!!!
That’s so interesting, it’s crazy that this background can’t be taken into account at the trial
Fascinating information! Thank you!
Wow! I believe your every word.
Wow ! Thank u very much for this incite 😳🙏🏾
What stands out most to me aside from the poorly executed howl while he’s hiding his face and trying to cry, is that he makes the interview all about him. His girlfriend was dead on the floor, but he’s talking about his reaction to it, HIS decisions, HIS realizations, HIS movements and yes, he uses the present tense to try to recall some “emotion.” In my opinion, one wouldn’t have to recall a thing if the story were genuine.
I remember when this happened, it was a shocker, for sure. The story never made sense from the outset and his history of temper tantrums just told us all what the truth was. The fake crying at the end of this was awful, I know when crying is real because it makes me tear up. Fake crying just makes me very uncomfortable and irritated with the person faking it
Exactly, that fake bawlinf is such a cringe. Plus, as they said, it is difficult to speak in such distress, your voice hitches, becomes deformed, you gasp for breath, and this is starting to happen way before you break down. At no point did I actually feel like tearing up myself.
I was cringing whilst he was fake crying.
@@contiflex me too! 😣😣
@@contiflex me too😣😣
I agree! Good message !
I LOVE THE BEHAVIOUR PANEL!!
As a woman my red flags were:
- He didn't immediately check for her in bed and then where she was. A guy that loves his wife/gf as he claims he does will immediately check for her first. Out of pure instinct.
- The entire story is about him, him, him. No empathy how Reeva must have felt. Or account of what she did. None. There was no way she never whispered back, tried to calm him down, etc. She was an able-bodied young woman and yet she is treated like this silent doll that was just shot. Doesn't make any sense.
- They were together 3 months, THE honeymoon phase, and she was stunningly beautiful. And yet he won't even mention it. Really untypical for a heterosexual man who chooses this type of girlfriend. Having a beautiful model partner is a status symbol for many men. He also never says anything like "MY beautiful Reeva". No possessive pronouns that indicate belonging. It's just "her" or "Reeva".
- There's an intruder in the house, he is disabled and at a disadvantage - even as an athlete - and yet he shouts for Reeva without knowing who may still be in the house. There could be multiple intruders. And then he shoots without targetting anyone in particular or knowing where Reeva is. And he was wide awake by then and aware of his surroundings.
- The clear monologue first and then, "I pu, pu, pulled..." Followed by that wail. Please...🙄🙄🙄
- He chooses his words so carefully and then says, "...she had fa... was slumped over the toilet..." Almost leakage of what had really happened.
- Was he laughing while faking rage-wailing and had to cover his face because of this? His performance was awful and really, really creepy. It indicated to me how much rage he may be capable of.
Netflix has a 4 part doc that is all about how great he is. She’s barely mentioned in comparison
So basically he's guilty af like we all thought, he murdered a beautiful soul that day 😢
Yo, Scott was totally right, when I watched the trial, my intuition was telling me that OP was hitting the bathroom door with the cricket bat first, and then went an retrieved the gun and shot it in an uncontrollable rage.
Edit: I literally cannot look at his mouth.
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From South Africa. That time was wild... Everyone was really shocked.
Same. Yeah, this was insane. One od my friends lived on his street and they couldn't get out of the house for a week because of the media, police and gawkers.
That a man killed a woman? Wow
Never believed his story. They had a fight, she hid in the bathroom and he opened the door in a rage and killed her. MONSTER.
I'm South African - thank you for weighing in on this. Oscar lied to Reeva's family, his own and the South African public. It's a travesty that he received so few years 😔 She locked herself in the bathroom with her phone at 3am. Neighbours heard yelling - the interview with one of the neighbors is so heartbreaking. Also - I recall that Oscar couldn't "remember" his iphone password - I don't think they were able to access it... A journalist has also written about Oscar knocking a dog and jumping out of the car and shooting it - who does that!!! I really wish he'd gotten more years - fyi - his sentence was increased from 5 years (ridiculous!!) to 13 years 5 months
That is not the full story I didnt miss one single court appearance or round table discussion if he wanted to kill her he would not have stood 7 metres away skew leaning onto a wall to shoot at the door he would have gone straight to the toilet door If he was bashing the door down bf he shot her. She could have hide next to the toilet and the wall not sit there like an open target. One night when they had a fight she immediately grabbed her stuff and drove home to Joburg at night and phoned her mom She would not have stayed I excammened his behavioural patterns and hers It was a hot night both struggled to sleep and Reeva had to leave early I dont agree Everything he said was more concirmed by a forensic cop for the state than the one on his own team that was old and didnt do such a good job. Out of his primal reactions with the fear freeze and flight reaction everything add3d up to what he was saying . I have been alot in court with People like Oscar Dont agree with you at all
I always new from first hearing about this horrific death of Reeva! OP did it knowing she had locked herself in the bathroom! OP should have been found guilty the first trial,!
It was said that the neighbours house was too far away for them to be able to head things clearly enough,most of these things have been disputed
Locking an innocent person up is also a travesty too
End result: Reeva, lovely young lady still in the foolishness of youth, is dead. Killed by the evil hand of pistorious; no reason to mention his legs.
You should try filming one of you telling a story and the others have to decide if he's lying or not.
@@thingsthatmakemego-ooh There was one here called "What's My Line". Very similar!
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Yes !!
The footage of the blood on the toilet is heartbreaking to see .Poor darling , beautiful , young ,woman killed in a fit of rage . 😪
And Pistorius never - in his recall of the event - says that Reeva spoke during the time of the 'so-called' intruder. The fact that she was in the washroom, meant that she was awake and aware of him yelling. She would have spoken to let him know where she was. I agree that he was telling her to 'get out of my house', not an intruder.
exactly. its just one of the many holes in his story that also made the police suspicious.
I work at a secondary school in the UK and his manner of telling the story, the way he wants to be seen crying and then that forced wailing - it’s so familiar of a teenager trying to stay out of trouble. I’ve spoken to so many kids that try to avoid taking culpability for their actions in the same way. It’s incredibly obvious to adults watching but in the kids’ heads they are fooling everyone. I think this is why it’s hard to find any sympathy or empathy despite his story being tragic, everyone knows one of those kids and it is not convincing any of us.
Spot on. 💯 agree with you. I thought of a child’s tantrum as well
Yes, and narcissists are incredibly immature with their emotions.
Interesting fact: Oscar's aunt is Micki Pistorius. She is a Forensic Psychologist and the first South African Profiler. Trained with the FBI if I remember correctly. Great work, gentlemen. Love from Cape Town (where we have lions not tigers) xxxx
Have you read her books? She's one strange lady. She gave the work up as it was taking it's toll on her - she said she would go so deep in thinking like the serial murderer that it messed her up
She said she's psychic, too.
She locked herself in the bathroom to protect herself. I’ve done this.
Everyone knows that she did.
@@ingevonschneider5100 so glad thanks... inge is bitter
@@susanxyz5730 No, you are bitter. I didnt mean it in any bad way, just wanted to support you.
As a female, that would be my response.
I have done it too- the very last man I will ever be with- he called the cops when I locked him out of the bathroom to get away from his verbal abuse and vomit and told 911 I was suicidal and locked myself in to hurt myself. POS The sheriff believed ME and almost arrested him for being on drugs or something.
Malignant narc..been out of control for years and finally went too far. RIP sweet Reeva. She was going to work so hard for the welfare of girls and women. He should have got life!
Have you ever noticed that when someone is fake crying, you want to plug your ears? I bet that's how the interviewer felt. I know I certainly did. You're cringing in second-hand embarrassment for the person.
I often cry if I see someone else cry. Doesn't even have to be real. I cry at actors crying who are playing a role. But every time you played OP's clips I had to turn them down because they annoyed me so much.
Same...
Or I should say me too
Same, he's so fake. I'm at 40.11 and paused the video to take a break and read the comments because he's so OTT, scream-crying in front of the interviewer, as if. He's putting on a show to be believed and it's just embarrassing and gross. Disgusting man. Poor reeva. He seems insane. :(
I've watched a few of your videos and I'm so happy that I found you guys. I love how each of you have equal time and you are so thoughtful of each other. I love each of your professional views.
Personally, I can’t stand any of them except Scott. He’s handsomer than Chase is all I know. Oh wait, his nose is normal sized as well.
Ditto 🥂
I watched parts of the trial and it convinced me he was guilty, no doubt about that whatsoever in my mind. He should have been locked away for life. Great job by the panel!
When he’s crying he’s crying for himself so guilty.
Remember before all this happened he so called accidentally shot a gun under a table in a restaurant and asked his mate to take the blame .. he is an absolute maniac
Guilty as sin. It was so obvious! 🤬
When someone is actually crying I find myself crying too. Especially as I get older. If they're fake-crying, I just find it kind of embarrassing. This guy's acting is so over the top, it's downright cringeworthy.
Well said, such a great point. I’ve not thought about it that way, but you’re absolutely correct.
Yes! Great comment ❤
To me, in the last clip, his "crying" seemed more like laughter and it was as though he had to start wailing to cover that up. And notice how everything he was doing immediately stopped and his whole demeanor changed the second he decided to get up. It was like "whew.. ok, I'm good. I can stop acting now."
I have been so intrigued to hear all of your thoughts on this after watching the documentary- I always learn so much from you guys so thank you!
Thanks Hannah!
The part where Oscar is wailing into his hand at the end made my dog start howling.
With laughter?
I do agree with the fact that he is guilty. The "language" usage that you mentioned should be explained: As an Afrikaans speaking person I can tell you with asurity that when you are stressed, you automatically do direct literal translation from Afrikaans to English. Living in an English environment, I am regularly misunderstood by the word order and direct translation. When in fight or flight mode, Language rules go out the window. Eg: in school in SA you learn to tell a story in present / past tense. Then you have to try and remember how and when to use perfect tense. It's very confusing. Afrikaans has a different sentence construction and use more words per thought than in English. I think that you are far to focused on his language usage. There are more than enough other body language clues to make your point. He is in my opinion not the sharpest tool in the box and his English is used for simple communication.
Thank you for sharing this information Kaalvoet! It seems there are plenty of other reasons for suspecting his guilt, AND this is a very important reminder to know facts about a person's culture before you apply these techniques. I certainly never knew this about South African language useage, and I find that very interesting.
As a Canadian many people think there are not many differences between us and Americans. But as someone born in Prince Edward Island, Canada, who grew up in five different provinces before university, and a few more after, who worked for an America company in the states on occasion, this is not the case. In fact, there are subtle but significant differences between western and eastern Canada itself culturally, and my "friendliness" and "small talk" was considered to be very suspicious in Vancouver, Victoria, and actually all of British Columbia!
Whereas back home in PEI, stop to ask anyone for directions - an example being two fishers tying up their boat - and they'll soon know where you're from, if you're related to them, and how; you may even be invited to a nice fish dinner that night like I was!
Very true (my home language is also Afrikaans), but even though Oscar's surname is an Afrikaans surname, he grew up in an English environment and English schools, which might give more weight when assessing his use of language. However, it might be that even South African English speakers use the "Saffa" version of English. Good insight though!
He’s yelling all these commands...”Reeva, get on the floor! Get on the ceiling! Jump out the window! Order a pizza! No anchovies!” He doesn’t find it odd that there’s no reply? She’s not screaming, crying...nothing. He’s not concerned that, given her silence, maybe...just maybe, she’s the one in the bathroom. Why not confirm the whereabouts of your partner before you start firing through a locked door? He’s hoping that people will believe that she chose to remain silent during this ordeal, and that someone broke into his home to use his toilet.
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Hilarious 😆
It's taken me a long time to watch this one because of how disgusted I am by Oscar and his joke of a sentence. I'm so glad you guys dissect and explain just how terrible of a liar he is. RIP Reeva.
Pistorius is only concerned for himself
There is no grief for Reeva
If you notice he nearly drops himself in it by almost saying Reeva had fallen in the toilet , but then changed it to slump
This tells me she was arguing with him at the door and he shot at her
He should go to prison forever
I noticed that, too. He caught himself saying "fallen" and corrected to "slumped". Means quite a bit for how she would've been position in the bathroom and the picture Pistorius has to paint.
54:47 Chase you are 100% correct, autopsy showed that she had been dead for at least an hour when the ambulance arrived... that means he picked her up from the bathroom upstairs, which he obviously did with his prosthetic legs, carried her downstairs and laid her out to stage a nice scene - and in the process messing up the crime scene completely. He has now been released and still says it was an accident... Greg, try and find some video about his court case - he actually had a little bucket with him, because he kept on vomiting "because he was so overcome with grief". It was a complete Circus....
The bucket was completely empty just FYI. I know someone who was there every day in court and the bucket was checked. He's a murderous pos.
It would be cool to do a behavior panel on some Oscar winning actor performances. As to how well they conveyed the emotion.
I just found this channel. Thanks for the amazing content. You four have great chemistry!!
He lived in a Massive security gated estate!!!!He is GUILTY..shocked that he thought he could get away with this
Chase is a really funny guy-in a good way. I also love the other panelist’s response to Chase’s quirky humor, especially Mark’s. Makes me smile.. All you guys are very knowledgeable in your fields and very entertaining. Love your channel, gentlemen.
No Oscar for Oscar, good work Gentlemen.
I’m from SA. So glad we had a great prosecutor who could see through his bullshit. He was a national hero.
Maybe you'll tell us of the electrified fence that surrounds your house. Perhaps you'll tell us which "Armed Response" private security firm you employ. Yes,I've been to SA...when not at Kruger we stayed in Rosebank and Sandton (suburban Johannesburg) and every building I saw there (commercial and residential) had those fences,those signs,those iron bars over the windows/doors/gates.
@@jackfitzpatrick8173 yes unfortunately we have to live like that.
@@antonialudick6229 OK,so are you willing to acknowledge that his "intruder" claim just might be the truth? I'm not insisting that it is...only two people actually know what did,and didn't,happen that night...and one of them is dead.
@@jackfitzpatrick8173 no I don’t believe his claim. I just said he was a national hero that effed up. I don’t believe him for a second. Followed the trial on tv. I think it was the first trial ever to be broadcasted in SA in real time.
@@antonialudick6229 I've seen the breathtaking poverty found in SA up close. While driving from Sandton (*very* affluent) up to Kruger we passed by a township very close to Sandton that our driver (an Afrikanner) told us a lot about. I,unlike many Westerners,know that gun battles...complete with multiple AK-47s...take place in SA every day. And in broad daylight. These incidents are remenicent of Mozambique or the DRC. IOW,I,unlike many Westerners,know that his "intruder" claim could very well be the truth.Again,I'm not insisting that it is but will you at least admit that your country is so breathtakingly violent (electrified fences in middle class suburbs) that things like that happen many,many,*many* times each day (and night)?
When he corrects himself from saying that she'd fallen over the toilet to she'd slumped over the toilet e.g "She'd fall[en]...she'd slumped over the toilet", it seems to me that he had accidentaly said something that had happened during their fight. You can even see the grief muscle relax for a moment as he thinks his way out of that mistake. (38m14s - 38m19s) Just my take on it.
Sure..he wakes up in the middle of the night. Fails to mention that his gf is not sleeping next to him. There are noises coming from the bathroom. He assumes that an intruder has locked themselves there..[What kind of an intruder traps themselves in the bathroom where they can't escape?). Oscar just grabs his gun and just shoots.4 times. Then realises that it was his gf instead of an intruder. Who was locked inside the bathroom in the middle of the night. Why would she lock herself there unless she was afraid of someone and was trying to protect herself?
What I would give for cocktails with Chase!
Would love to hear the Behaviour Panel's take on the Princess Diana/Martin Basheer interview.
I heard somewhere that this guy hired an acting coach so that he can cry effectively. And these four geniuses detected that! Amazing!
You wake up in the middle of the night and don't realize your gf isn't in the bed? Riiiiight. And somebody's in the bathroom and your first thought isn't that it's her? Riiiiight.
LOL
A person in a bathroom with the door shut isn't exactly a threat either. The person on the outside of the door has all the power.
My husband doesn't like this show since I started using the techniques to catch him in fibs. "When you say you cleaned the grill 'at some stage' can you explain that a bit more? When exactly would that have been?" 🤣🤣🤣
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I have a roommate. In the night when I hear someone in the bathroom I don't grab my gun and starting shooting through the door. I assume it my roommate using the bathroom.
ofcourse... his story was utterly stupid.
"Hi I'm Mark Bowden, I'm an expert in body language and human behaviour and I train people in the didgeridoo, including some of the leaders of the G7."
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Did he actually say that?
Wish you all would do a panel on body language (behavior) to help women extract from controlling relationships before violence escalates. If you feel fear or threat, you should trust those instincts and get out. Reva’s story is heart breaking.
Unfortunately we can ignore the red flags when we're really into someone :/ I did that a few times when I was younger. We live and learn though...I think if most people who've experienced abusive dynamics were to see those same dynamics at play in someone else's relationship, they'd spot them for what they are straight off. It can be difficult to be objective about things when strong emotions are involved, and when you want- more than anything else- to believe that the person is the idealised version you have of them in your head, reality often takes a back seat.
I agree though. It'd be helpful - particularly for young people- to be taught about healthy relationships from a social point of view- not just from a sex- ed point of view. Especially as young people coming from homes where parents are abusive are more likely to find themselves in abusive relationships down the road. There's a comfort in the familiar- even if it's not healthy. Sometimes it's not until many years ( and many awful experiences) later that we realise at all that what we've experienced and considered "normal" is actually NOT normal/ healthy/ ok.
I agree! That would be a great idea! Especially pulling apart the language at the love bombing stage of a relationship. Learning how to spot when someone is lying right from the beginning before the trauma bond begins could really help people.
As a woman this is hard to watch because his performance screams LIAR! from the very first minute of this interview. Having struggled through until 39:50 all I can think of is punching his face repeatedly as hard as I can because I can't stand any more of this bs crap he's putting on. It's disgusting.
This is a brilliant analysis. I'm from South Africa, and there are very few people who believe his version.
I knew this guy murdered her in rage when the neighbors said they heard bloodcurdling screams of a woman, screaming for her life. I can hear her screaming as he is trying to break down the door, telling her he's going to kill her. When he can't break the door down he gets the gun. It's a tiny room. It's like shooting a sitting duck. She had nowhere to go.
I am one of those people who automatically responds with tears when I witness something that genuinely moves me. It happens a lot like with news stories on TV. When Oscar Pistorius was crying here, I felt nothing. I think I'm a good barometer of genuine emotion. Still, I rely on my instincts. It's nice to see things broken down by these guys. I guess my "instincts" is just me picking up on the clues they describe without knowing I'm doing it. Hmmm, now I'm worried that I have too many "ing" verbs here. What did Chase say about "ing" verbs?
By the way, even if he did really think it was an intruder in the bathroom: shooting someone like that execution-style is also considered murder ! According to him, he didn't hear any noise, at no point was he threatened by anyone with a weapon, so it's clearly not a case of self-defense. To protect himself, he could have retreated from that bathroom door. It's only self-defense when you are chased down and with your back to the wall and are threatened and have no other means of saving your life.
In this case however, it was Oscar going after the alleged intruder, who was sitting in a trap in that bathroom.
No matter if the other person has committed an illegal act, you cannot simply gun him down like that.
Past girlfriends said he had a violent temper. Also he engaged in thrill seeking, high risk activities. Emotions seem shallow. Assessing this guy with the Hare psychopathy checklist would be interesting.
His true emotion comes from Oscar being damn scared of going into a south african prison
And, he thinks that an "intruder" is in the bathroom...that's your green light to turn on the lights, dial 911. Of course, intruders always sneak into the bathroom, because there's a lot to steal in there.
There is no 911 in SA, you lucky if anyone answers our emergency calls, if you do get through then you have about a 2 hour wait for cops to arrive if you are lucky!
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SA does not have 911. Our police service is atrocious. And yes, criminals DO enter through bathroom windows. This is SA, criminals will enter through any place they can.
And intruders don't lock the bathroom door from the nside
..... Their purpose is to INTRUDE
They were stealing the toilet paper. They were a prepper for the USA pandemic that would arrive in 15 to 20 years
What's really nice is watching the BP paying full attention to each other.. 100% respect
I'm from SA. What a great assessment, so interesting, thank you🙏 He was speaking in the present tense much of the time, which I found strange & I felt it was all from his head, thinking, & not from his heart! As for the fake wailing at the end, that just sealed it for me!
Oscar Pistorius crying in agony for himself and his destroyed life is really obnoxious. He has lost everything. He wasn’t weeping for Riva, but for himself.
He's a psychopath. Most of it was bad acting.
I think she was cheating on him and said she's fed up with hurting her knees on his head Everytime they pass in the toilet.
If you are in a flat with one other person and you both got into the same bed and you are later wakened up by a noise , the first thing I feel you would think was that it was the other person, which you would confirm by immediately ascertaining that they were not in the bed with you ! You would then calmly think that they had gone to the bathroom ! He is so guilty !
Yeah, but he had no legs
I left an abusive marriage and I saw the first warning sign when he showed no respect for his mom and calling her hateful names. I did not want my daughters to think that it's ok to be hit by a man or being verbally abusive and I filed for divorce he would call my daughters tramps and they were only 8 and 6yrs old. My daughters and I went through counseling and from what I have told my therapist and my daughters told the same therapist that I should never let my guard down because I took back control of my life. This has been 32+ years and at times I still live in fear. I have told my daughters DO NOT let him know where my husband and I live because they are putting me in danger.
As a woman, I've always taken extra precaution in locking a door by taking the key out. Reeva must hv felt that she was in real danger for the key not to be in the lock. She took it out for a reason. I believe he was arguing with her and when he became irate she locked herself in the bathroom. He then took the cricket bat to break the door down. ..... I'm pretty upset that he has "church" multiple times in that apartment. Oh God please! Oh Jesus please! Lies!!!!!! He MURDERED her.
Yup reeva had found out about another woman while looking at his his mobile
@@franmellor9843 or she took his phone sp he could not call anyone to try and dismiss her claims of needing help
The fact that she locked herself in the bathroom with her cell phone. That is very telling. She is hiding from his violent rage. Neighbors said they heard a woman and a man screaming at each other. It was Valentines day night. I think her previous boyfriend or new suiter texted her something romantic and this jerk flew into a rage.
That makes you a jerk? So if you boyfriend starts getting texts from his potential new chick the day before valentines day and you get angry you're the jerk?
Feminism is worthless
no point in speculating about her receiving romantic texts from others. the police would have found those even if he deleted them.
Riva locked the door to get away from him...simple.
With TWO cellphones, Katie Karakondis!!! I mean : who does that? But for fear of their partner....
I know practically nothing about analyzing body behavior but I know a guilty man like this when I see and hear it. Every thing about his delivery says I’m lying. I can’t find an honest moment here.
I agree, Jimmy saville would be an interesting one. Especially if you choose Louis Therouxs interview to look at.
LT said he felt that he was groomed by him too. I remember feeling disappointed by that doc, felt LT didnt dig as much as usual and that was before any of the scandal came out
@@rachell7682 I was (and probably still am, honestly) a big fan of Louis. But he backtracked about his suspicions on Savile, and I don’t think he did enough to challenge him at the time, or in the years between the doc and the revelations coming out officially. I guess it is important to realise the fact it was an entertainment show first, Weird Weekends. But I agree with you, I’m increasingly dubious about Louis.
My first thought was why would she need to lock the bathroom door if she was just waking up to use the restroom. No she ran in there trying to escape death. How tragic.
Maybe she always locked the bathroom door out of habit. Lots of people do. Unless we know what she usually did then it doesn't mean anything.
@@johnnhoj6749 Very true, it’s a habit. Especially in small lavatories where the door is in the way.
She got up to use the toilet. The word is toilet.
I love how these smart men really listen to each other, very rare complimentary reviews.
*complementary
The door was locked from the inside bc she locked him out for her own safety. She had told her mother that sometimes she was afraid of him. She was a beautiful and kind lady, he did not deserve her and knew it.
This psychopath will be freed in 2024.....so he served 7 years.
What an insult to the victim.
Let's hope no other woman goes near him
He should have got life with no possibility of parole! Sickening human being!
"I thought she was breathing so I started to give her mouth to mouth".
Perhaps it just me but I thought that you are supposed to do that if a person is NOT breathing!
But perhaps that is just a danish thing...
"So I put my fingers in her mouth" - ❓😰
@@TeamFreedom1 Yh. Who sticks their hands in a breathing mouth if they wish for them to keep breathing?
I am from South Africa, in fact from the same city it has happened. My next-door neighbour was dating him before she got married and she told me she was very nervous to go and testify. I did not want to intrude and ask her if it was because of Oscar or just nerves for being on the spot in the courtroom.
Oscar was a very volatile person and he got away with stuff because of his Celebrity status. He fired a firearm in a crowded restaurant a month before he killed Reeva and asked a friend to take the blame and to cover for him.
Back to this story...Obviously, Oscar and Reeva had long and VERY heated arguments that night. I think (pure speculation on my part though) that Reeva "fired" back with a comment at one stage, hinting on his disability and he felt his masculinity and ego was insulted. I think he got so mad, that she fled into the toilet and refused to open up and that he shot through the toilet door in rage. Reality has obviously set in very quickly after that and he tried to break open the door.
I think she was still alive, but that the scene that met him was SO grim, he had to finish her off to save his own ass and then concoct a story. I never bought the story that he was afraid that intruders would catch him unaware because of him being on his stumps. He was to my knowledge a narcissist, who would shoot first and then ask questions.
I do not believe he got what he deserved, but it is not for me to judge. That is up to God and the vengeance is His.
I don't believe that she would have mocked his disability. If his disability was an issue for her, she wouldn't have been with him in the first place. His phone records showed that as he arrived home that day, he was on the phone to his ex girlfriend. It had been a long chat, so what was that about? Maybe the girl rang again & Reeva wanted to know why. There was a graze on her back, which detectives thought was done with the bat, because the skin was torn downwards, as if he'd taken a swipe at her as she fled the room. Her friend says that when Reeva stayed with her, she NEVER locked the bathroom door. I think that the only reason she would have locked it on this occasion, was to protect herself from him & his bat. When that didn't work out for him, he got his gun.
Great vid! I'd always wondered about him. Would love to see a Jimmy Saville analysis. When he was a grown man he dated my aunt when she was 14. He turned up at my Nan's house for dinner, but when Nan saw who the new boyfriend was, she wouldn't let him in! And he genuinely said "don't you know who I am?!" Nan never let my aunt see him again. Who knows what she saved my aunt from 😳🙈.
Cheekymunki. Your nan probably saved her from death. Jimmy Saville was a child murderer of a 10 year old boy and most likely a 13 year old girl and I am sure that Jimmy Saville murdered other children too. I know of a 6 year old who escaped his evil clutches and lived to tell of what happened to those children. Thank goodness Jimmy saville is dead. RIP all Jimmy Saville's victims. The 6 year old did tell the authorities about what happened at the time, 1972. Nothing was done. Saville was later given an OBE.
@@emmaausten8365 he fooled everyone. Thatcher and Prince Charles amongst others.
Robby Bobby Robby. Sorry but Mr Saville's antics were known about in 1972 . The police most likely knew but other agencies including a retired army psychiatrist knew. By 1981 plenty of people knew, even people who worked on TOTP. I know that the survivor told anyone in authority who would listen. There is documented evidence that the survivor recounted what happened to the authorities many times whilst Mr Saville was still alive. Children who went into the care system were obviously considered disposable by those paid for by the state to care for them.
Just to make this very clear the person referred to as Mr Saville was Mr Jimmy Saville OBE. The incident that the survivor witnessed first hand actually took place in September 1972.
More than one person was involved in the murder of a 10 year old child, which was actually witnessed by 6 year old in 1972.
I am sure Mr Saville was very popular with his pals but popularity does not mean that someone is a good person. The survivor prefers to stick to the truth however uncomfortable that makes Mr Saville's friends feel.
They should add 20 years to his sentence for that “performance”!🤣🤣😂
I give him, the "Mommy's Boy" award....what a 1-inch wonder he is.
Oscar knew she was in the bathroom. He didn't think she was standing behind the door. Oscar is a little brat and he was throwing a tantrum....
I enjoy the balance of personalities on the panel. Thanks guys. Very entertaining... and I might be learning stuff as well. 😉
I know nothing about body language but I knew with every fibre of my being whilst watching the trial that he is a liar and she had locked herself in the bathroom out of fear and he shot at the door lock.
In Afrikaans we generally use the present tense when recounting something that happened in the past. This is known as the historic present. Pistorius has a partly Afrikaans background. This may have influenced his use of the historic present tense.
That's very interesting.
Oscar was very English.
@@allysonogston522 He was not very English, maybe South-African English, but his Afrikaans heritage is indeed the reason why uses "historic present tense".
@@kiwidutch9778 nonsense. You are giving his afrikaans 'heritage' way too much credit.
@@allysonogston522 Just listening to his accent, you can tell his first language is Afrikaans.
From South Africa. Pistorius lived in a very safe estate with security galore - very slim chance of an 'intruder'. At the time of the case, I was sitting in a dispute resolution forum with numerous attorneys. In chatting about the case during recesses, everyone believed it was a dramatic concocted tale from beginning to end. What he was mad about apparently had to do with a message Reeva received from a male friend. He almost got away on his stumps! Had it not been for a determined prosecutor. Still, he won't be serving nearly enough time.
Never knew this and do not remember it being mentioned in court ?//
@@lisasimpson9372 It wouldn’t be surprising to me. The case pivoted on ‘an intruder’
I'm a South African. When you have a burglar in your house and you realize their in the bathroom with the door closed you realize they are scared.
Fantastic! Run out, get help from the neighbours, shout at Reva upstairs to lock the bedroom door your getting help. Or go hide upstairs with Reva and shout for help to scare away the burglar (he lost the opportunity of surprise).
Oscar has a temper problem, he is unstable and has a previous incident with being irresponsible with his weapon (it was actually in public).
She locked the bathroom door, I'll only do that in my bf's house when I am scared. We just don't lock bathroom doors in the middle of the night.
I don't understand how his friends and family did not request the police to take away his weapons because of his rage issues and firing the gun incidents.
My first and only thought was ,why would anyone start shooting through doors in your home were your loved ones are,or could be?? 😕
Especially if your loved one was meant to be in the bed next to you! That's the first think you'd do, check where she was.
Oscar lost his mind and poor Reva ran to the bathroom with her phone to call for help because Oscar was set to kill her. He has some kind of personality disorder where he can't control his rage. Also a really bad actor /liar. The extended sentence was right. Reeva was executed by this entitled Narcissist.
Any woman or man that's in fear of somebody, will lock themselves in and take the key out, just so the perpetrator can't then use it to get in .. and I never believed him from the get go, in my opinion, they'd argued and he got angry when she locked herself in and wouldn't open the door, the cricket bat was used first, not after and when he couldn't get in that's when shots were fired ..