I daily a MK7, wife has a 2024 Tiguan that still has the old screen but haptic steering wheel. I also have driven about a half dozen MK8s. They don't ruin the car but they are certainly a downgrade over the old buttons. Screen HVAC is a no-go for me from any brand; and I drive/interact with all the premiums regularly. They don't annoy me necessarily, but I have about 10,000 miles in her car (about 40,000 in mine) and I find myself wishing I had my buttons still. I have a few other small gremlins with the UI and missing features such as sunglass holders but, again, these do not ruin the car.
Exactly. Ask anyone that's actually used the car for longer than a test drive and the buttons are hardly ever an issue. In fact once you learn to operate the car you realise there are added benefits even (in being able to register light taps, hard taps and swipes separately).
The journalist will complain for anything just for the sake of it and they want the consumers to take their words for it,these people are old cry babies they want to feel important and as if they know better forgetting that consumers don't care about 97 percent of what they complain about and it doesn't even affect and bother the consumers. Most things they like as journalist we hate as the buyers as we choose according to how we feel not how they feel
I have a MK8 Gti and the haptic buttons are not a problem you get used to them in the 8.5. They are even harder to come on. You have to really press the buttons.
Once you see the random R stuck on the doors you can’t unsee it. First thing when I get mine is removing those. The R and GTI fender badges were way more cohesive.
@@ericcarson342black looks stunning when it’s just been washed but the maintenance needed to keep them that way is horrendous. Had a black GTi and every scratch or mark showed up so clearly. Never again unless you want to spend all your time cleaning it !!
Still got mine apr stage 2 best car ive owned and driven and as fast as anything on the road to 60. I love the pearl white too. Only issue is the wastegate attached to turbo 7k fix and 2 water pumps in 50000k
As a loyal BMW fan (m140i, m135i, Z4 m40i) I must admit given the.....shall i say it, softer new m135 I'd struggle to justify not choosing a new Golf r over the m135 even with my badge loyalty. Just seems you get more bang for your buck in the Golf 🤷♂️
@@SChapps He’s talking about this Golf R against its competitor, the M135. Not the M135i. He’s saying it would be hard to justify the M135 over the Golf R. Both have 4 cylinders.
@SChapps I don't drive a car for family obligations or commuting so not really interested in a hatchback any longer, I'm simply trying to see that if I were in the market for a premium performance hatchback the Golf seems to be the best of the bunch right now
The upgraded exhausts are not standard on the R black edition. I have a 8.5 R on order as I didn’t want the all black 19” alloys. I went for the diamond cut 19”’s with performance pack. All black alloys do nothing for me.
I love my MK8 R. Have the top line with the Performance pack and uts an absolute beast and a comfortable daily driver. Joe would maybe love it more if it had a BMW badge... Great review 👏
Great video Joe. Great timing as I’m just looking at leasing one of these. As I don’t need to own a car in UK as I live in New Zealand and England throughout the year 😊 prefer summer living each end of the world, which I’m sure you will appreciate.
I've got one of these on order (US) and looking forward to taking delivery. Replacing my now 12 year old B8 S4 with this. Given the performance and everything included - it seems like a bargain at under 50k for one of these new.
@@AnnoyedGlobe-sf9yo Truth! It won't. I've had my S4 for 12-13 years now, it's developing rust, and it's time to move on. The new S5 doesn't really float my boat and I don't want to spent 80k either... lol. The R seems like a bargain compared to other options I've looked at.
5:50 I have never really understood leather seats. The only real reason to get leather in my view is if you have kids and don't want them to stain the seats; that is understandable. Apart from that however a nice cloth seat is just better than a leather seat in my opinion. As mentioned they don't get too hot or cold, they grip you better, and you don't have to maintain them with leather products.
Are people starting to receive these now? I'm starting to see more videos this week of the Mk8.5. I've been religiously looking for videos on this thing just about every day & only this week I've started seeing more videos, apart from the initial press ones. Any idea on pricing for the USA? I can't imagine it'll be $55k US, (from the 43,7k conversion of euro) that would be absolutely insane.
It’s a nice looking car. I love my A45S but the problem with that is, the lack of tuning options - VAG has just so much more tuning potential. Still a lot of money for a Golf R.
Joe, reckon you could do the GTE? Haven't seen a decent review of the 8.5 line. I know the interior is probably going to be the exact same as the R, but I'd love to see what you think of how it drives.
Okay, better than the mk8. But, I don't know. I still think I'd take a Mk7 or 7.5. More tuning options, easier to get a hold of, and a heck of a lot cheaper even with low miles. Especially since the 7 and 7.5 have a manual option
Spec for spec the Audi is cheaper. Also because the depreciation is less on the Audi, if you finance it the monthly is cheaper. Factor in the better cabin, build quality, sound system and badge the Audi is the better buy.....which is why I got the S3 Vorsprung.
If VW could do something about the leather on the seats stretching and wrinkling within five minutes I’d be genuinely interested. It looks cheap and seems like something that could be easily managed with manufacturing changes.
I have a 2022 WRX Limited with a 6-speed manual and I can’t believe to say this but I’d be willing to give up the manual experience for a Golf R with this DSG and being a hatchback (USA). I gotta convince my wife 😂
I own a Black Mk7 R, and love the thing. It is a high maintenance colour to keep pristine though. I don't see many black 7R's around to be honest, and even less black 7.5R's. I guess the colour was just not popular??.
The advancement in Four Wheel Drive technology with the ability to be very rear biased has almost made RWD redundant. As for FWD I just don’t see the attraction to it, that comes from someone who’s owned, what I feel, are some of the very best FWD cars ever like the Megane RS, Cupra 280, Edition 30 etc
The black wheels aren’t doing it for me, and that new info screen looks hideous. I have a mark 8 Golf R, in black and it looks much prettier than this. A great car; however, I have just placed an order for a BMW M2.
Nice. I'm a bit weary of the M2 as my driving skills are a bit limited. I test drove the Golf R and the BMW m240i xdrive. I went for the BMW purely because it felt punchier and the fantastic B58 6 cylinder engine sold me.
I like the blacked out look. But, i think living with it ling term might be tough. Unless you have full PPF applied from day 1 its gonna end up looking like crap after a few years. Otherwise its just goona drive you insane keeping that paintwork looking good.
Peculiar that the steering wheel still has the haptic buttons. I like the haptic buttons and I was disappointed to see VW remove them for the MK8.5 Is it just a US thing for the removal??
I wonder if the steering wheel is interchangeable between the 8 and 8.5 I want to pick up the newer model GTI when they come out but I much prefer the sleek look of the haptic wheel + functionality. It's not a deal breaker but I'd happily pay for a new steering wheel if that's the case (or maybe they could just swap them out)
I'd have one of these over an S3. The Golf gets the Magna rear diff which you can't get on the S3 and the Golf is still cheaper. I also don't particularly like the interior on the current S3; the old 8V model was much nicer.
@@g.d2450mine isnt press car and could done sub4 0-60 with 1ft rollout. 8R are fast, i think 8.5R is just a bit slower from the dig and bit faster from the roll
Hey Joe how do you go fitting in the seats? I'm 6'6" and tried to sit in a golf R 7.5 and could not sit on the seat due to how narrow it was.. Are these bigger?
Needs a thicker rear sway bar, about 1° negative camber and 1° negative caster on the front, and she'd rotate much better. Also, Volkswagen GIVE US A STANKIN' MANUAL BACK!!!! I don't care about shifting fractional seconds! If I'm shifting a 6 speed manual that makes 450 horsepower, I don't care how fast your 320 horsepower DSG shifts.
7.5 still where its at and best bang for buck imo..black alloys are a big let down on almost all cars also......bring back a 3dr always looks better on a hatch
I'll happily sacrifice a gas hood strut and engine cover that says "TSI" to get heated rear seats, rear climate control, a heated steering wheel and ambient lights that aren't just on the front doors. You have to ignore a lot of upgrades to just focus on the "cost cutting"
Depends on how important 60 hp, AWD grip, throttle oversteer, active dampers, more dynamic customization, ventilated front seats, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, etc, is to you? I mean, there’s no way you could duplicate that, aftermarket for $14k but why would you? A tuned GTI is fun, no doubt. But you’re not putting all that torque to the ground in turns or anything below 3rd gear anyway.
@@billymays7210 It's almost special enough ... a 5cyl, would be killer, and 400 whp would do nicely with the current motor would be doable. So the smart money gets the GTI and IDGAF bc cheap.
Then massive screens are a hazard and a massive danger they probs cause alot of accidents.. do you control that with out touching or looking at it... It's like a massive mobile phone but 10x more dangerous 😊
This might be the last version made of the Golf R. Remember they want to get rid of petrol engines. Especially high powered one's. They are already choking the 1.5 engine back to 116hp in this new Golf 8.5.
Haptic buttons really aren’t a problem. Had mine for a few years, multiple track days. It’s only journalists that seem to have a problem with them.
Facts
I daily a MK7, wife has a 2024 Tiguan that still has the old screen but haptic steering wheel. I also have driven about a half dozen MK8s.
They don't ruin the car but they are certainly a downgrade over the old buttons. Screen HVAC is a no-go for me from any brand; and I drive/interact with all the premiums regularly. They don't annoy me necessarily, but I have about 10,000 miles in her car (about 40,000 in mine) and I find myself wishing I had my buttons still. I have a few other small gremlins with the UI and missing features such as sunglass holders but, again, these do not ruin the car.
Exactly. Ask anyone that's actually used the car for longer than a test drive and the buttons are hardly ever an issue. In fact once you learn to operate the car you realise there are added benefits even (in being able to register light taps, hard taps and swipes separately).
The journalist will complain for anything just for the sake of it and they want the consumers to take their words for it,these people are old cry babies they want to feel important and as if they know better forgetting that consumers don't care about 97 percent of what they complain about and it doesn't even affect and bother the consumers. Most things they like as journalist we hate as the buyers as we choose according to how we feel not how they feel
Swiping for the volume is sick and very fast, I have the polo gti with them and it’s all good!
I have a MK8 Gti and the haptic buttons are not a problem you get used to them in the 8.5. They are even harder to come on. You have to really press the buttons.
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Once you see the random R stuck on the doors you can’t unsee it. First thing when I get mine is removing those. The R and GTI fender badges were way more cohesive.
I prefer this logo.
Mk8 badges are much better than the Mk8.5
R line has R badges now 😂
did they have to move them all to place charging door there for evs?
My old Mk7.5 R is still my favourite car. I am tempted to get another one after seeing this. Another great video Joe.
Same here. Lapiz Blue DSG. It's been a great car. I was never into black cars but this might change my mind. Looks so good with the black wheels.
please buy a car that does not look like an egg
Same here 👍. . . 3 door manual lapiz blue ‘black edition’ (black pretorias, black mirror caps and the 7.5 black side skirts) 👌😎
@@ericcarson342black looks stunning when it’s just been washed but the maintenance needed to keep them that way is horrendous. Had a black GTi and every scratch or mark showed up so clearly. Never again unless you want to spend all your time cleaning it !!
Still got mine apr stage 2 best car ive owned and driven and as fast as anything on the road to 60. I love the pearl white too. Only issue is the wastegate attached to turbo 7k fix and 2 water pumps in 50000k
As a loyal BMW fan (m140i, m135i, Z4 m40i) I must admit given the.....shall i say it, softer new m135 I'd struggle to justify not choosing a new Golf r over the m135 even with my badge loyalty.
Just seems you get more bang for your buck in the Golf 🤷♂️
You obviously like the straight 6 engines though, you’d be losing all of the emotion going to a vacuum cleaner Golf like this
@@SChapps
He’s talking about this Golf R against its competitor, the M135. Not the M135i. He’s saying it would be hard to justify the M135 over the Golf R. Both have 4 cylinders.
@projectr2451 thank you. Maybe I wasn't clear
@SChapps I don't drive a car for family obligations or commuting so not really interested in a hatchback any longer, I'm simply trying to see that if I were in the market for a premium performance hatchback the Golf seems to be the best of the bunch right now
@@markrhoden68
All good!
The upgraded exhausts are not standard on the R black edition.
I have a 8.5 R on order as I didn’t want the all black 19” alloys. I went for the diamond cut 19”’s with performance pack. All black alloys do nothing for me.
Looks great! I love my 7.5 DSG but wish VW would come with the Spektrum color program. I do like this Black Edition.
I'm on my second mk8 with haptic buttons and love them. The non-haptic look cheap like you are in a Golf Life!
It's okay if you are a Manlet with small hands
Just to clarify, the Performance pack does not include the Akro exhaust or DCC in the UK as mentioned in the video.
Doesn't include that in Germany too. The CS however does include the Akra in the Performance pack.
The black version looks just hot tbh. I'll stick with my all black 7.5 R nonetheless
I love my MK8 R. Have the top line with the Performance pack and uts an absolute beast and a comfortable daily driver.
Joe would maybe love it more if it had a BMW badge...
Great review 👏
Great video Joe. Great timing as I’m just looking at leasing one of these. As I don’t need to own a car in UK as I live in New Zealand and England throughout the year 😊 prefer summer living each end of the world, which I’m sure you will appreciate.
It's so handsome and tidy. The decal on door is a strange move tho
The new GTE has the plug where the badge used to be. It seems they’ve moved the badges across the line to standardize placement.
Great video joe appreciate the effort you put in to your videos but want more 😂 .
Another amazing episode. Looking forward to the next one. Thanks for sharing Joe
I had a MK 7 estate back when leases were £200 a month. Great family car.
Looks good in blue
Love it Joe!
for a 4 cylinder, it sounds really good
The original idea for a 'Black edition' (on an Audi first ) was taken from AMD processors. True story.
Looks so much better than the pre facelift !!!
Car looks great. Wish they kept the manuals.
Whats in the luggage case in the passenger footwell? Any additional weight that could affect the 0-60?
Informative video as always Joe. Question - would you go for one of these over an M340i saloon? I’m on the fence!
How is the comfort, road and wind noise in this on scenic roads and regular motorway speeds (70mph) for long distance driving (like 5hrs+)?
0 to 60 in the low 4 second range, that flipping outrageous.
I've got one of these on order (US) and looking forward to taking delivery. Replacing my now 12 year old B8 S4 with this. Given the performance and everything included - it seems like a bargain at under 50k for one of these new.
@GethinJames this wont sound anwhere near as good as a supercharged V6 though..
@@AnnoyedGlobe-sf9yo Truth! It won't. I've had my S4 for 12-13 years now, it's developing rust, and it's time to move on. The new S5 doesn't really float my boat and I don't want to spent 80k either... lol. The R seems like a bargain compared to other options I've looked at.
5:50 I have never really understood leather seats. The only real reason to get leather in my view is if you have kids and don't want them to stain the seats; that is understandable. Apart from that however a nice cloth seat is just better than a leather seat in my opinion. As mentioned they don't get too hot or cold, they grip you better, and you don't have to maintain them with leather products.
don't like leather either. But those fabric standard seats on the 8.5R just don't look good, compared to the GTI...
I 75% agree. Ventilated seats is a huge reason to get leather tho…
Always interesting to see what i think is the daddy of hot hatches. Can always rely on the golf r to be awesome.
Are people starting to receive these now? I'm starting to see more videos this week of the Mk8.5. I've been religiously looking for videos on this thing just about every day & only this week I've started seeing more videos, apart from the initial press ones.
Any idea on pricing for the USA? I can't imagine it'll be $55k US, (from the 43,7k conversion of euro) that would be absolutely insane.
Those rims are amazing.
Unfortunately no Akrapovic with the Performance Pack in the UK. Very expensive option, that you could probably do better by getting a Miltek
I fitted a fully handbuilt turbo back de cat res delete 80mm downpipe for £1000 half the price of a milltek
It’s a nice looking car. I love my A45S but the problem with that is, the lack of tuning options - VAG has just so much more tuning potential. Still a lot of money for a Golf R.
Joe, reckon you could do the GTE? Haven't seen a decent review of the 8.5 line. I know the interior is probably going to be the exact same as the R, but I'd love to see what you think of how it drives.
Okay, better than the mk8. But, I don't know. I still think I'd take a Mk7 or 7.5. More tuning options, easier to get a hold of, and a heck of a lot cheaper even with low miles. Especially since the 7 and 7.5 have a manual option
8 has a manual too…
@@billymays7210 Only up to a certain year. I think they got rid of it for either the 24 or 25 year
@@Countryguy5967 MK8 always did in NA, 8.5 does not.
Spec for spec the Audi is cheaper. Also because the depreciation is less on the Audi, if you finance it the monthly is cheaper. Factor in the better cabin, build quality, sound system and badge the Audi is the better buy.....which is why I got the S3 Vorsprung.
You can't get a hatch S3 here in the US though...
Ok but the Golf R looks better
In the US, Audis depreciate like rocks.
Ya, resale is opposite of that in the US
Hey Joe, when you going to do the new M135. ?
it would be interesting to see the comparison between new M135 and this Golf R
If VW could do something about the leather on the seats stretching and wrinkling within five minutes I’d be genuinely interested. It looks cheap and seems like something that could be easily managed with manufacturing changes.
Another great review Joe, I assume like you I would never buy one thanks to that screen.
Does it come with a real transmission or just an automatic so your mommy can drive it?
Would love to see you do review on a Mustang DarkHorse manual and compare it to the M2 👌🏻😊
I have a 2022 WRX Limited with a 6-speed manual and I can’t believe to say this but I’d be willing to give up the manual experience for a Golf R with this DSG and being a hatchback (USA). I gotta convince my wife 😂
magnificent beast
The front lights look MUCH better!
What front badge is on the care doesnt look stock link ?
I’m torn between this car and the bmw 330i, comfort is so important to me and some say the Golf R is more comfortable especially for a sports car.
Brilliant
Looks good
Are these cars any fun in normal daily driving? Or should I get a normal golf instead?
absolutely. put it in "comfort mode" and this's going to be another "standard" golf.
I own a Black Mk7 R, and love the thing. It is a high maintenance colour to keep pristine though. I don't see many black 7R's around to be honest, and even less black 7.5R's. I guess the colour was just not popular??.
No one briefs you that that 8.5r steering heater button already tweaked which need press and hold on longer to be activated
The advancement in Four Wheel Drive technology with the ability to be very rear biased has almost made RWD redundant. As for FWD I just don’t see the attraction to it, that comes from someone who’s owned, what I feel, are some of the very best FWD cars ever like the Megane RS, Cupra 280, Edition 30 etc
We like! 😎
Type R has less under steer in a FWD platform. Ill take that any day for the win.
The black wheels aren’t doing it for me, and that new info screen looks hideous. I have a mark 8 Golf R, in black and it looks much prettier than this. A great car; however, I have just placed an order for a BMW M2.
Nice. I'm a bit weary of the M2 as my driving skills are a bit limited. I test drove the Golf R and the BMW m240i xdrive. I went for the BMW purely because it felt punchier and the fantastic B58 6 cylinder engine sold me.
Love those wheels.
nice car
Golf R, Type R or GR Yaris? Whats the consensus?
Im so sad the wagons arent available in North America 😭
I like the blacked out look. But, i think living with it ling term might be tough. Unless you have full PPF applied from day 1 its gonna end up looking like crap after a few years. Otherwise its just goona drive you insane keeping that paintwork looking good.
That was exactly my experience on my previous GTi , never again!!
@@hpman911 you had black GTI?
@@FeN1xDD yes , a few years ago !
I’ll stick with my 7.5 TCR for now
Unless the
Mk8.5 TCR comes out 🙏
Golf🖤🖤🖤
No manual ?
Not for 8.5
@@billymays7210 Ty
@@musarra195 Np
Peculiar that the steering wheel still has the haptic buttons. I like the haptic buttons and I was disappointed to see VW remove them for the MK8.5
Is it just a US thing for the removal??
The removal is in all the Golf range except for the R (maybe just for the R button). Customer opinions were against the haptic controls.
I wonder if the steering wheel is interchangeable between the 8 and 8.5
I want to pick up the newer model GTI when they come out but I much prefer the sleek look of the haptic wheel + functionality. It's not a deal breaker but I'd happily pay for a new steering wheel if that's the case (or maybe they could just swap them out)
Buttons do everything haptics do but better
Will there be an Clubsport Version from The Golf R in 2025 ??
In the Netherlands we paid a lot more then 47000….
Owning/buying a car is very expensive.
I'd have one of these over an S3. The Golf gets the Magna rear diff which you can't get on the S3 and the Golf is still cheaper. I also don't particularly like the interior on the current S3; the old 8V model was much nicer.
Almost all audi's with those new "square and blocky" screens and panels look God awful. The old set up from 2013 onwards was better.
The new S3 also comes with the diff.
@@toddstevens8506 Didn't know that thanks. I thought only the RS3 and Golf R had the Magna rear diff as options.
@@Swiss4.2 the 8Y did originally but the new S3 facelift (8.5Y) has been given the magna diff
Carwow managed to get 0-60 on the regular mark 8 R in 4 seconds, I never got that
With 1ft rollout. My stock 8R done 4.29 to 100kmh without 1ft rollout. So even faster then in carwow
I'd say the press cars always have a little bit more power than standard in them
@@g.d2450mine isnt press car and could done sub4 0-60 with 1ft rollout. 8R are fast, i think 8.5R is just a bit slower from the dig and bit faster from the roll
@@piotrwozniak7840 done a 4.18
I did a 2.74 in reverse
Hey Joe how do you go fitting in the seats? I'm 6'6" and tried to sit in a golf R 7.5 and could not sit on the seat due to how narrow it was.. Are these bigger?
that would be totally okay for your height, no worries
Needs a thicker rear sway bar, about 1° negative camber and 1° negative caster on the front, and she'd rotate much better.
Also, Volkswagen GIVE US A STANKIN' MANUAL BACK!!!! I don't care about shifting fractional seconds! If I'm shifting a 6 speed manual that makes 450 horsepower, I don't care how fast your 320 horsepower DSG shifts.
7.5 still where its at and best bang for buck imo..black alloys are a big let down on almost all cars also......bring back a 3dr always looks better on a hatch
. . . and a manual for us fogues! 👌😎
@@Pete7.5R GTI still has the manual. R doesn't.
I'll happily sacrifice a gas hood strut and engine cover that says "TSI" to get heated rear seats, rear climate control, a heated steering wheel and ambient lights that aren't just on the front doors. You have to ignore a lot of upgrades to just focus on the "cost cutting"
Ventilated front seats, AWD that’s good for more than just a straight line, real carbon fiber interior (on some) to add a few more…
This is like my E38 ,
WOW
Keep making such wonderful videos. Your videos are like works of art.🌡🥁🍌
And it comes with an engine cover 😮 jk, my 2024 had it still on there but I don’t think it’s supposed to be so it’s hanging in the garage
The exhaust is still an option
Is there a big enough jump from the GTI to justify the price on the R ? I would do a base GTI and a tune and be done with it.
Say goodbye to your warranty & the grip on the R is way better than a gti
@@pauldavies7251plus a lot of UK insurance companies are really against any modifications either refusing cover or increasing premiums substantially.
Depends on how important 60 hp, AWD grip, throttle oversteer, active dampers, more dynamic customization, ventilated front seats, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, etc, is to you? I mean, there’s no way you could duplicate that, aftermarket for $14k but why would you?
A tuned GTI is fun, no doubt. But you’re not putting all that torque to the ground in turns or anything below 3rd gear anyway.
@@billymays7210 It's almost special enough ... a 5cyl, would be killer, and 400 whp would do nicely with the current motor would be doable. So the smart money gets the GTI and IDGAF bc cheap.
An automatic Golf R, fun.
how have they not just turned this into an Ioniq 5N competitor yet? vw needs new leadership desperately
Then massive screens are a hazard and a massive danger they probs cause alot of accidents.. do you control that with out touching or looking at it... It's like a massive mobile phone but 10x more dangerous 😊
I personally like the mk8 front end better than the 8.5’s, it looks too much like an Audi now
How can VW get rid of the manual in GTI and R sports cars. It is just ridiculous and makes both cars removed from my list of cars to get.
You have to have the leather as the standard R upholstery looks shite
Your videos are not just content, they are art. Thank you for your contribution to the world of RUclips!💬🏹♥️
Makes me think 🤔 where does golf R go from here ? ❤
You’re not going to like the answer to that question…
This might be the last version made of the Golf R. Remember they want to get rid of petrol engines. Especially high powered one's. They are already choking the 1.5 engine back to 116hp in this new Golf 8.5.
That display looks crap the intergration looks like an after thought, not a fan.
Goes on track but they don’t let him to get it into track mode? Seems logical
Its a shame they went away from the 7.5 DRLs
God dammit bring back the v6 for these models for the love of god
I don't see why you'd ever buy the golf over the Audi at this price.
Joe the haptic buttons in the 8.5 have had the sensitivity reduced. Now harder to switch on.
Does this engine still suffer from carbon build up or have they solved that?
What was the point of the golf R 333 then
The infotainment is massive, so out of proportion
Looking more and more like an SUV from the rear
First 🎉
It looks more aggressive than the mk8
@11:30 😭
Wouldn’t say ballistic fast