How Finland Found A Solution To Homelessness

Congratulations you and your support from family did great!❤

Yea big whoop.

Good for you.

I'm proud of you. That might not mean much coming from a stranger, but I wanted to put it out there in case you needed to see that someone appreciates your hard work.

​@@timothyandrewnielsenactually go shove it up yours my dude.

Sadly not all countries have the resources nor the will to do it

All animals behave better if we are being rewarded. Punishment never ever works, and doing anything out of extreme necessarily and fear, is punishment, so people will either retaliate or give up.

The right wing in the
US reverses this idea
as a means of maintaining an endless pipeline for
CHEAP LABOR.

Indeed

​@@kora4185what do you mean by behaving better?

I think your country is amazing for having such a system and I appreciate you for working with them. 🙏

Thank you for dedicating your life in helping these ppl

It didn't work in Cali bc they did not adopt the entire program if they had it would have made a difference

what do you mean "finally"? Isn't the whole point that they get housing first?

@@kryphons9138probably theres quite a waitlist

I hope a lot of motivated people come to the same conclusion, since we here in Finland are kinda (very slowly) running out of people.

You can judge a society by how it takes care of its weakest people. Finland shows a remarkable high moral ethics, that should be aspirational. Government is for the people, and Finland sets an example of that.

why are you running out of people if its a good country?​@@B1gLupu

If these people weren’t lazyazzez they wouldn’t be homeless

@@B1gLupuSo you guys need immigrants? What’s the weed situation?

Paul's are awesome 🤟

You're the rare few. My buddy did this with an acquaintance. Fenced in area in an industrial section. Got him a camper and porta potty service and a cell phone. He was basically a watchman. Within a couple weeks, the guy started bringing in his buddies and it turned into a mess.

@@obsoleteprofessor2034
That’s one of the obstacles that faces homeless people, besides drugs and alcohol. It’s the company that they keep that’s why they have to have a little homeless encampment where services are available. They are starting to do that here in the city, I live in, they are not permanent housing situations, but they are called transitional, housing, and social workers and community representatives, doctors and legal aid comes here. Mostly, I see a lot of homeless people living in their cars. At least now, because many of them are single women they have certain areas of a parking lot by parks, and the police patrol nightly to make sure nothing happens to them. And many of these girls work a 9 to 5. They just do not make enough money to live and save for the costs of an apartment. Moving costs around here are up to $10,000. First last and deposit. Plus, they would never qualify because they don’t make enough money, because they have to go through all this paperwork. Landlords do not allow anybody to move in that they do not thoroughly check out first. This is the high rent district in Southern California. Sometimes I say you should just go home and live with your mom in Kansas, but that’s not what they want. They want to be here by the beach so they can pursue whatever it is that they are pursuing. Some of these girls work and go to the junior college here. Now why they can’t do that in Kansas, or Ohio, or Pennsylvania, I don’t understand. And yet every unhoused person that I have met is a cheerful, outgoing personality, they can’t all be faking it the people that fall through the cracks are the ones that are not addicted to drugs or alcohol, and do not have behavioral health issues. That’s why they’re unhoused, one girl told me “there’s no housing program for us. There are housing programs for alcoholics, drug addicts, people with mental health issues, even housing programs for former foster youth, but there is nothing for us”.

@obsolete professor - That's not even close to true that Chaz is among the "rare few."
Homelessness in the U.S. is a policy choice that's increasingly ensnaring more working and middle-income people because of unchecked greed of its sociopathic system. These are people who don't or didn't have mental health or addiction problems prior to becoming homeless. Many become susceptible to the diseases of despair that's now running rampant in the U.S. The suicide rate is up, and life expectancy is dropping.
The U.S. knowingly makes many detrimental policy choices, then blames the results on its citizens. Unfortunately, ill-informed citizens in too many instances accept the blame. They don't understand they live in a system designed to extract as much wealth as possible instead of supporting its citizens' well-being. They don't understand that because their public school system, which was one of the best, is by design now failing them, and they're being fed regular doses of bs.
It's sad. Barring something out of the blue happening, I don't see it changing any time soon.

@@lynneanderson4255 So true. US culture in particular celebrates people who take from society, not those who give.
Service to others is a huge part of recovery. I have seen numerous ex-homeless people support those currently sleeping rough, allowing them to bath, do laundry and have social contact. It inspires those who are struggling to want more for themselves and begin to address issues.
To give, is to receive.

Mann new Orleans is packed with homeless unfortunately many are not homeless as they claim they like to panhandle

Were/are you a drug addict?

God bless you

❤

So happy for you❤

Great idea! IMO creative strategies and effective solutions are key. Let’s think outside the box. Not to mention addressing the moral stigma and blame on the homeless would be helpful too.

Most properties that people consider vacant are not actually vacant long term, they're just in between tenants. Even if a commercial property is vacant long term, we have property rights and the government would have to pay to rent the building out to tenants, and commercial rents tend to be far, far higher than residential rents due to their prime location, and so it would be very difficult for a government to afford such rent.

That makes perfect sense. I think the same thing about all of our abandoned malls & schools in my area

I totally agree with you sharon.

Cost of conversion could be prohibitive, but it’s a fantastic idea. Use the structures that exist, but retrofit for communal use. Some Japanese micro hotels could be a good model.

It's actually the job of the church not the government but the church fails miserably, sad😢

@@jazaneksmith6038 that would take away from their tax free profits.

@@jazaneksmith6038hence why it’s not the job of the fucking church. The church is not an authority, it is a private business.

It should not be the task of one particular organisation. Taking care of each other should be a very normal and common practice of all of society…

@@suzanneke it should be, but when you have psychopaths and sociopaths in positions of power, that energy shifts the common practice and thinking of those who follow it.

So many areas in the US have allowed housing to get too expensive to afford, even if you have a job. I had to move from where I had lived for 23 years. I had a job, making what I thought was okay money. I couldn’t find a place I could practically afford within 25 miles of where I lived. The property values and rental costs have gone beserk there. I ended up in a lucky spot with a friend from where I grew up offering me an old trailer to stay in. Livable. I had to quit my job of course, because I had to move 10 hours away into a depressed area to take advantage. Even with the massive change in cost, I’m still losing money. My income dropped from 47k/yr to 24k/yr. I’m still just barely getting by with a lot of stress. Had it not been for my friend, I feel reasonably sure that I would have been on the street in no time. That’s with a (what should be) livable job!
Even if you are willing to live slight in favor of having a roof, many of the landlords (especially the corporate owners, who now own 40% of the country’s rentals) require that you make three times the rental price. At $1600/mo, well, do the math. That’s how much a lone person needs to make to have a roof. This country is not trying to provide help, they are actively creating the problem. Which is borne out by the numbers. The only way you’re guaranteed housing and healthcare and food is to spend your life in prison, if you’re too old for military work, that is.

Builders aren’t building enough entry level homes and apartments
It is expensive to build . most new builds in the Pittsburgh area start at 350k
I think it will come down to government subsidies for builders and a change in restrictive zoning laws

Liberal rules and policies cause it.

So true!

Homelessness is a very profitable business.

Wish you all the best.

Glad to hear that you're feeling and doing better keep the sunny side up.✌️❤️

Wow, that's so awesome to hear.

What's the government housing program called that you used? I'm homeless in PA, looking for solutions...

Glad to hear you got into a better situation btw 🙏

Very well said. Spending all day consumed with the thought of where can you sleep safely that night and how to stay out of the heat or freezing temps is a major issue. There are not enough shelter beds and there is no place to store your belongings let alone have clean clothes to "go get job" as I often have heard people say the homeless should do. They really don't have a clue. The housing first model works because if you can stabalize this basic human need for shelter, they will naturally begin to take the steps they need to reintegeate. Usually happens before the first year is up. We habe a shortage of housing units 17,000 to be exact and we just booted out the homeless in the shelters for assylum seekers. Not right.

I was in the shelter system. No employer will hire you when they see the shelter's address.

@@jordanx204Being in a shelter is no better than not having a home. Many are weigh stations and money makers. They get reimbursed for the number they house and or the number they feed off the street. The 'greater' by the door is not greeting but taking a head count to be turned in to get payment from a government entity. A shelter is supposed to find the person transitional housing. In my case, the 90-day program did not start looking for transitional housing until the last week I was there. That should start the next day after intake. I was in the shelter system and have some knowledge of how some work. Transitional housing is needed most. Caseworkers and the system need to educate employers.

Yeah i never understood why most countries approach to it is:
Giving psycologist help
Give them detox treatement
Give them a sandwich or soup
I am like bro this is not the time to psycologist or go on detox. First they need a small appartement to sleep safely. This what cause problems. They are sad. Get drunk to escape the sadness from homeless lifestyle

@@mathewvanostin7118 Exactly

Well, if you had Sheriff Joe Apargio of Arizona, Maricopa county, they would be crying and sobbing to get out of his work camps, and shed their pink uniforms, and watch tv again. Then they would look at the lists of the where they get the most loot for being homeless, and go to SF, LA or Utah.

@@mutteringmale They don't get "loot" for being homeless. You mean stay alive.

You must have missed the part about Social Security disability checks, food stamps, free health care, free hotel rooms, can steal anything they want and not get arrested and more.

They've done some housing but the mostly just push them out of the public view. As someone with years of first hand homeless outreach those in power here disgust me with their actions toward the homeless

@@mutteringmale Homelessness in the US is an industry managed by State and Federal governments in conjunction with self serving NGO's. We have the encampment system because it allows the leeches that feed off the problem the highest rate of return on their self created problem while still getting the homeless vote. Stay classy DNC

I admire how the Finns realize if something doesn't work, doing it again won't help. You need a new approach.. and that may seem wrong... but you don't know until you try it. In the West , we keep doing the same thing... we don't seem to have any institutional memory.. It didn't work then.. so it won't work now. .. but like a gambler we are convinced the next roll of the dice will be the winner.

in america that empathy is called communism, republicans are christians full of hatred

Why are you lying? There are plenty of people that are homeless in Finland. Go to the centre of Turku and enjoy seeing people homeless. Some even sleep I’m trashcans etc

​@@taavi948it's the homeless industrial complex absolutely made to perfection in California..

​@@taavi948 She might not be lying. The first time I actually saw homeless people was in the UK as well. Some poor people I've seen in my 30+ years life here might have been homeless though, but I've never seen people sleeping outside on the streets at night. Beggars and addicts in poor health, yes. Some of them are surely homeless, but homelessness is very rare in Finland. But not to say that homelessness isn't a problem, it still is.

Good point!

so happy to hear of your success -- especially as a seattleite. 🙂

👍👏

Each homeless person I have known does want the sense of a community thing even if it's only with each other.
If you notice most "hang around" together in some sense, find the hub in the areas that are friendly or kind to others, and if they don't create crime or tear a good thing down or apart...people do accept or help them.
If not, they're banished for good reasons. Some groups even have leaders and know where to get help. A good example is after a national disaster like a storm or earthquake. They do take care of each other. It's heart breaking to not do so. They know what hardship is.
People are people. If organizations can assist and help people locate and prosper in areas they already "live" in , it would be better than moving them around and around to nowhere.
Build and keep more social and medical programs with care that they can relate to and use. Isn't it said, for example that alcoholism is both a social AND medical disease????
Most programs fail because no one checks on or up with the participants the program gets finding for regularly. Things also change diring the seasons.
Ever spent a summer in San Fransisco or any bay area town?
It can be colder than a winter.
People need people. They aren't the luckiest people sometimes but we. All still need each other to help those who are homeless or poor and almost there.
If countries, cities , towns or neighborhoods don't help more, we will all be sorry.
Homelessness affects everyone .
Just an observation. Thanks for sharing the good video.
Be safe.

As a Washingtonian medic myself, I've seen these programs work too. They really do. WA (western WA at least, eastern WA has some issues still, keep thinking they're Texas or Florida) has so many of these programs, and they not only WORK, but they save so much tax money in the long run. Our foster care program in Seattle, imperfect as it is, is still light years better than anywhere else I know in the US, and provides real opportunity for foster kids even once they've aged out of the program. We fostered my little sister in law and even once she aged out, she still had access to services like housing, school, and work. She finally finished high school and is starting her first job this month, never having to worry about health care, food or housing.

You’re triple vaxed gay and boosted

I know, go figure!!!🙏🤔🏠❣️

Astounding how the obvious can become the obvious!

The question is how to pay for it. I will bet if they started with 20 thousand homeless they have multiple times that amount supported at taxpayer expense now. Also if borders are open then they are saying anyone globally can come and be supported for life at taxpayer expense

Educated, attentive, empathetic, kind, thoughtful, affection etc.., Individuals and it helps being from 1 race, nationality...,

Thansk for confirmation! Every place has their trouble, for sure, but nice to know.

I live in Japan and I haven't seen anyone homeless yet either. But it's interesting to me that he says Japanese low homelessness rates are questionable. I wonder why he didn't even give details as to why.

I live in Finland and we do have some homeless people. You can't always tell who's homeless by the way they look. They have access to shower and laundry. You might be able to tell by the bags they carry with them. Some camp in the woods during summer and they prefer to keep their tent in a place, that is not easily found by outsiders. During winter, they usually need to keep walking through the night to survive. I've visited Japan a few times and seen homeless people there, too.

​@@riittap9121 Yup. I actually was officially homeless for a whole year. From autumn to fall I lived in my van. In winter I moved between my friends paying them some little sum for a place to stay.
But this homelesness was by the choice a social experiment for myself kind of and it worked up fine. Although whole time I knew I have a choice to move in rental apartment if I feel so, I still got a wholesome experience as a "nomad".
It was nice to test the challenge of not having a home to go and I learned alot from myself, most important thing was that I get to know my limits and weaknesses.

​@@hansolo8225 The same climate in other Nordic countries as well.

Because American Government politicians are greedy/they rather stuff their Bank account's than solve American homeless problems,The American Government have little interest in America's healthcare, America's infrastructure,America's college debt and America's homeless But War's destroying Humanity America's Government invest BILLION'S UPON BILLION'S OF America Taxpayer's MONEY(THAT'S WHY America HOMELESS PROBLEMS WILL NEVER EVER GO AWAY)

Sadly much of the US homelessness could be fixed. There are tons of apts, offices & other empty buildings that could be transformed but they are owned by the wealthy & big business. They get huge tax breaks for depreciation, maintenance & financing. But, on top of that, they get tax breaks when the bldg are empty & they aren't rented. Another way the wealthy are manipulating our govt in their favor.

No! Try republicans first. They don’t want to support the needy in the society. What would Jesus do?

The no true privacy thing has been grinding me lately. I'm naturally introverted and need space to recharge.
Being stared at, glared at, looked at over my shoulder at any given time of day or night is really draining.

im sure they dont want to solve anything

Because American Government politicians are greedy/they rather stuff their Bank account's than solve American homeless problems,The American Government have little interest in America's healthcare, America's infrastructure,America's college debt and America's homeless But War's destroying Humanity America's Government invest BILLION'S UPON BILLION'S OF America Taxpayer's MONEY(THAT'S WHY America HOMELESS PROBLEMS WILL NEVER EVER GO AWAY)

No, it doesn't. The government is paying for these people to continue a non productive life and expects the people to pay for it forever.

HOUSING FIRST Works for so many reasons... The Biggest reason is it gives PEOPLE who have No Safety or Stability in their lives... SAFETY and STABILITY... YOU Can NOT FIX HOMELESSNESS WITHOUT HOUSING ... FOOD, CLOTHING & SHELTER... THESE ARE THE BASICS of LIFE FOLKS... ALWAYS HAS BEEN and ALWAYS WILL BE.
It doesn't take Rocket Science or a frickin' Phd to figure that out ... If ELON had put his BILLIONS towards doing THIS for humanity instead of Twitter ... We would ALL be well on our way to a 100% Viable Global 🌍 Solution to issues like this by now... Ya know?

I couldn’t have said it better

Heck just not getting enough sleep at night can have a shocking effect on even a person without mental problems.
I work overnight and on my Monday by the time I finish and get home I will have been up 25 hours and I'm starting to see things.
Not to bad but if say a plastic bag moves I may think it's a critter. If someone wasn't getting enough sleep every night, I can easily imagine it getting really bad!

Mental disease is a myth. The people you're speaking about may be eccentric, but it's not that they are incapable of reason/can't be negotiated with. I get so sick of people using bullshit mental health concepts to convey their judgements of other people, whether it be complete strangers or close friends. People need to stop deferring their good judgement to the cult of psychiatry (which is nothing more then an source for excuses by government and others to limit certain persons' liberty... or worse, such as lobotomy). It's so f*cking lazy and beyond ignorant.

@notsparks - every City Mayor needs to hear from you and work with City Council... but alas it’s not going to happen. Thank you for your comments...

Enters private jailing....Now, it is just business.

Wow, my eyes just opened. I felt bad for them for drugs and thought they needed some sort of counselling (saw some young men sharing brings through needle blood transfer) but is makes sense that they're just trying to come. I cant imagine the damage homelessness does to the mind of a human being😢 it must be tough

Yeah this is very similar to the idea of presumption of innocence - we cannot treat everyone as a potential abuser of the system, as that would mostly affect the innocents

@@toddthreess9624 Excellent point and ver true. That attitude is very bad for society and , it is no different than advocating "shoot the rich" because we all know people who abuse the opportunities to get rich. 🙂

@@toddthreess9624 I just don't trust the Government at all anymore. And that was before I joined the Army.

​@@toddthreess9624 The state _shouldn't_ give "assistance" to people, it's harmful and immoral.

Unfortunately the US is infested with the idea that resources are extremely limited and we gotta fight thunderdome style for them while the ultra rich continues getting richer, because that's just how god wants it. Full throttle crab in a barrel, mob mentality

Does anyone really claim that there isn't enough government land in Canada? That's hilarious, beyond parody, staggering really that anyone has the chutzpah to say something so outrageously and visibly absurd. Is there any Canadian province or territory that doesn't by itself have Crown land measuring more than some small country (and in the western provinces and territories, more than the size of half the countries on Earth)? Also that there isn't enough money in rich Canada. Just wow.

If America can spend 21 billion dollars on a border wall we can help the people of the country

I'm from the Island too and the opioid crises is terrible mid Island. Crime is up and there are so many homeless for such a small town it's unreal. I agree, more housing is needed but now we also have a labour shortage to help build the housing. Too much red tape to get the proper infrastructures needed to solve the housing shortage.

@@undrwatropium3724 unfortunately with the kind of people that are running the u.s theyd rather spend 5bn developing some fancy new missile for their military than address actual problems like a liveable wage, effective drug control, corruption or the right to even exist for marginalized groups. *Glares at missouri*

Very true.

They say finnish people are at the top of the most happy countrys in the world i see why now they look after citizens.

Entire Northern societies works in the same respectable manner.
Lead by the principles of social democracy are the key...

No blacks or mexicans. Easy to be happy then

Finland's suicide rate is 30% higher than the world average.

@@OmmerSyssel Yeah because when you rely on the United States to fight china and russia and north korea, all the money you would spend on military can go to your people instead.
Must be nice.
Russia will invade soon. And Finland along with every other 'happy' nation will be begging for arms from the United States.

You really should

Don’t leave out sociopaths who only want to sponge off others and are a nightmare to live near/next to.

⁠​⁠@@tablescissorsthis also can apply to non-sociopaths lol

We do. It's called community.

@russozelinsky There's nothing concrete suggesting that solutions for small countries don't work as solutions for large countries inherently. It only depends if the solution is rooted in it being a small country. This solution is not rooted in Finland being small - it's rooted in Finland being determined and willing to pay to fix it.
Would there be complications for a large country? Of course - things like a lot of homeless centers instead of handful could complicate things. But that doesn't mean the basic premise wouldn't work.
For example, you could subdivide the US into Finland-size sections (by population, not geography) and then apply the solution that many times. Would it work flawlessly? Of course not. Would it potentially work though? Yes, and then you can iterate to improve upon it.
What won't work is doing what most countries are currently doing. Complaining that it's not a "perfect" model doesn't fix the present problem. A "better" solution is a move in the right direction.

@@MrBrock314 I agree that solutions for small countries can work in the US. The US is not one big country; it consists of 50 states that all act like small countries.
But the biggest problem is that in Finland, 70% of the houses belong to the state. This makes it possible for the state to intervene on a scale that they do - and that's just not possible in the US.
Also, Finland has a population growth of 0.09%, compared to the US of 0.5%. That means a lot more housing is needed in the US.

The world that seems wanted is the good the bad and the ugly all living amongst one another . Side by side . No one is looking to improve anything , just let it fall apart . That's my opinion

@@melindasmith3713
It seems that way, don't it.. Or they want to hide the unwanted under the rug..

@@melindasmith3713 When it falls apart, the bad will make it hell for the good. And that's not the way to go. I don't think everyone is entitled to equal living conditions.
If someone goes out and works hard and gets rich, or even is just lucky to be born rich...that's fine with me. They get their mansion.
But if someone else is born poor, or is just lazy and doesn't want to better their selves, then I have no problem with them living in a small home/apartment, even if it's subsidized by society. But those folks should not expect to live in fancy places.
I think capitalism works, but that there is also room inside of that for some social help beyond tossing food stamps at people. Housing should be a priority...but those getting it, should tow the line too and at least do the minimum in keeping the place clean.
Those that can't...maybe they should be warehoused in shelters or if they are truly mentally ill, be in a safe environment with help to try to get them to function in society again, if at all possible.
The USA is one of the richest countries in the world, and if it wasn't for so much government waste of money, we could easily take care of those in our society who struggle to care for their selves.
Even if only one or two out of ten manage from that boost in help, and are able to go get jobs and improve their own lives, it would be worth it. But those who can't, at least won't have to live in squalor and make our cities ugly with their tent cities lining our streets and filling up parks meant for families to have picnics in.

@@StormyPeak Good thing you are not a politician.

The USA is no longer the richest nation in the world. We have over 3 trillion dollars in debt not counting interest. We have dropped to being the 2nd producer of goods because our politicians took big business money and removed import tax, pay companies to move outside US, and hire that countries $2 per hour nationals over US $15 per hour. There are issues at play but too many to explain here. Some are human caused,some are the way of technology.

Good on you for surviving such difficult circumstances. I hope that you go from strength to strength and have a life that you can enjoy and where you can stay well.

How do you think your earlier life would have played out if you had access to psychiatric care to help you manage your mental issues? It seems like a lot of people get screwed just because they can't afford the mental care or/and medicines they need.

I’m happy for you

The point about the "expensive food" is a good one. It's very similar to the food desert problem experienced by minorities. If you don't have easy access to a good supermarket with fresh foods, you're at a systemic disadvantage throughout life as good nutrition is the basis of good health.

You have written an amazing summary, I wish you'd send it to all your Congresspeople, Senators. 🤝🇺🇸🇺🇸🫂💙🇺🇸

There's a housing crisis where I live. Rent has more than doubled here in the last 2 years. So many people from out of state have moved here and pushed natives out. I know several people who are homeless because of it despite working full time jobs and doing Uber eats on the side. The problem is that landlord want you to prove you make at least 4x the rent and most of us don't. My rent is 75 percent of my income. It's scary knowing it could be me at anytime because I have children.

Thanks for your input.

@@JC_0007 How is acknowledging my parents weren't great parents blaming them for anything? Once i left home i took care of myself.

I once saw a documentary where an elderly american was interviewed. She would rather die than go to the free ambulance.

@@Redfizh yeah, I see those interviews too, it's wild to me. What's wild also is that they're told that any social services means communism all the way, when in reality private healthcare is still always offered to those who want to pay for it

@@SkaN2412 Odd how they do not see elementary schools as communism.

In Finland you have something called winter. Look at San Francisco. They spend massive amounts on providing "housing" while ignoring the drug and mental issues and it just swamps them with more homeless not less

@@jerrymiller9039 that is a good point, drugs are extremely rare in Finland. Alcohol is the main drug (after coffee).
Most of the issues in any society is solved by providing a good start early in life. System where people are hand held guided into a good life and never let them fall in the first place.
In Finland, giving a house is usually not needed as unemployment benefit is enough for a rent and every unemployed is guided to work or education, that is also free.
One would truly have to seek for a trouble to be in trouble.
90% of people in trouble are lost immigrants, who cant speak english or finnish. These are also only form of beggars we have. You can find at least 2 in central trainstation of Helsinki.

There should be an accommodation/allowance for ppl without houses bc a cell phone can be used instead and or a po box. Ppl could also charge their phones mostly in libraries or free service phone 'booths' or welfare centres etc. With this ability to receive notifications and other correspondence there should be no need to deny payments or incarcerate ppl. But this accomm. I think, still has not been executed by some countries etc for surmountable reasons.

You got more homeless people in America than you got an entire population in Norway, Finland Denmark and Iceland or Scandinavia combined.

Small cities compared to the US. Compare apples with apples then give me the percentages.

It's too bad they're forcing farmers off of their land.

@@aarondigby5054 And why has the country let it get so bad...? Hmmm?

Our jails are better than living conditions in many countries. We have to give something better than that or everyone would see crime as an option.

Jails and prisons are actually obscenely expensive... Why not just a plain old sewage hole in the ground that well fenced off?.... J/K But they really need to look at the costs there, surely it doesn't have to be that expensive..

About 20 years ago I was a prison librarian in a state prison. Cost $30,000 a year per inmate. Yeah, I think there's probably cheaper alternatves.
Although one of the things I was told during training is that we (society) see prisons as a final "solution". Prisons MUST take whoever they're sent.

Jails can institutionalize people against their will to medicine and treatment and stop them from making bad choices. But in housing first, all of it is voluntary and they can make decisions that’s horrible but legal

I'm okay with jail. It worked for the first 200 years.

What you say is 100% truth! Good for you!!

Congratulations and God bless you

When I was researching homelessness in Denver a few years ago, I found that many who are homeless, particularly people without children, don’t want to live in an apartment or house. They may try it, but end up preferring to live on the streets, which is hard for us to understand.

it is sad they indoctrinate a faith into the individual esp as not everyone believes in mythology ,but i am glad this chapter of your life is one where you are happy

Decipleship 😂 they took advantage of you, typical fvcking xstains

Because the U.S govt is run by the deep state. A cabal of satanists who control the military industrial complex which keeps the U.S in a state of perpetual war around the world. With just one month of the money that is sent to Ukraine we could have solved homelessness. There’s plenty of money for war but not for people.

"Every family and individual had success"
....You're lying. Statistically impossible.

This isn't really what Americans expect. Rather, this is what American zoning laws require. Many cities ban small apartments and single room units or effectively regulate them out of existence.

@@snorfallupagus6014 success meaning that every family was able to move out with a job and independent housing. Families were heavily vetted for the program. So it wasn’t ‘successful’ for those who were rejected. A selective sample size can statistically have a 100% results. A randomly selected sample size would be statistically impossible for a 100% success rate.

The homeless in Finland are just tired of freezing their ass of in the winter.

Well, here in Canada we have lots of homeless shelters where people can have a room and a couple hot meals every day. And yet they still sleep in the streets and beg for money. You can't solve every homeless person's problems with charity.
However I remember talking to urban planners back in the mid 80s and they recognized the importanct of permanent and affordable housing back then as a means of helping people get on their feet. The concept is not new but governments don't seem to want to spend the money. Good on Finland.

when the word gets out you are gonna have a million people move in

Sorry Sarah. Wish it were true. Not even close. I was a cop in Winnipeg and spent most of my 35 years in the downtown, my last 5 on the beat in an area that is ground zero for homelessness, crime, addiction, mental health issues. It's gotten worse. And I'm also in touch with colleague in other major Canadian centre's. It's only "better" in the minds of those who ignore the reality and always think they know best, and who are all too often self serving. The underlying problems continue to fraught with truths that are ignored, and everyone continues to dance around. Kudos to the Fins, but their society (as noted in the video) has crucial differences, many that are the envy of other societies. But you just can't put a template on the problems elsewhere. It will be a process, with hard choices, but these cost popularity, and so costs votes, so nothing much but lip service happens, however it does continue to be its own growing industry.

If California sends it's 80,000 homeless folks to Medicine Hat, do you think you can sort them in 10 hours?
It would be greatly appreciated.

​@@hwdrebel how about California sorted its own problems instead of exporting them?

yeah so, a drug problem that looks like homelessness won't be solved that easily

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Yes. This. This was my story. I'm better now and have a house but during homelessness I had given up.

I don't know about that. I knew several families from finland with a different opinion from yours.

@@mostlysunny582 Several out of 5.5 million? That's not exactly statistically significant.

​@@MrBrock314ironically that person didn't reply

​@@mostlysunny582ur wrong

How many stayed on and got help? Bet that is a short list.

There are shelters year round. They will not live in them.

​@@jerrymiller9039 little do you know. Have you ever walked that mile? Have you researched what is actually available? How their system is set up? I've been down that road, it's not what you think.

@@crystalclear5397 They have random people walking across the border and they are not living on the street so if not some sort of shelter fine explain it to me.

@@jerrymiller9039 Really.....No Sh*t, it is a Big World 🙄 Not 'one' person has 'the answer' good luck in life kid. 'Kid' ment by mentality not age, I know how the arrogant can be.

I believe it was Calgary or Edmonton in Canada which tried a similar approach with similar results until the religious right got offended. Most homeless people end up in the hospital a few times every winter, costing taxpayers a lot more than putting them in an apartment. You also have to convince the police not to target the addicts once they're in housing.

Yea, but look at the disaster that happened on the UWS during Covid when Diblasio put the homeless in hotels. I joined a local FB group who documented open air drug use, urinating and dedicating on the street, lovely stuff like that. Plus according to reports from hotel workers, not necessarily in NYC, but often we learn that homeless people basically destroy hotels when they're living there. I mean, NYC is a tricky place because in certain areas, like the UWS, in order to rent a 1 bedroom apt, it costs around $3500 a month and. you need to earn around 120K a year just to qualify. So with housing that expensive, its going to cause problems just giving these folks a free place to live. I'm all for helping the homeless any way we can, and certainly every homeless person should have access to safe housing with safe showers, cell phones and storage of their personal belongings. I'm just not sure if the UWS was the best place for that. But of course, there is not any one neighborhood that welcomes homeless shelters with open arms. So what do you think the solution is? And why can't we provide shelters that people feel safe in?

This is a great insight, thank you

@@scottallen8950 I'll agree the rooms need to be more indestructible than a lot of hotel rooms are.

​@@scottallen8950 We can't provide safe places because the cities keep enabling their drug use and and don't expect any accountability.. it's time to put drug addicts in detox places against their will. Sounds bad? Not as bad as making the rest of us deal with the never ending mess. And not some BS rehab that ends up becoming another safety net.
Same with the violent and repeat offenders. Lock them if they can't be rehabilitated.
The homeless who are trying to get out of the cycle would then make their way back into society much better then they are safer. The systems in place may work when they aren't bogged down by those who will never be able to be helped with the current approaches.

Ah you guys definitely need more resources. It sounds like it works

That’s the hard thing, partial funding. We have known for years that it only works when you have wrap-around services. If you just give a portion, it doesn’t break the cycle.
And it’s hard when the criteria is level of dysfunction. It creates incentive to become worse in order to get services. It’s like in my state where before the ACA, the state would pay for an individual to go through trauma counseling in conjunction with an addiction issue. The addiction issue was the main thing. If a person didn’t have an addiction but had major trauma (even if it prevented them from keeping a job or a home, etc.) they didn’t get treatment. So should they fake an addiction or create an addiction just so they can get services?
The way it is now with funding is like having three relatives w/families who each need a home, but you only have room & finances for one. If you try to help all of them, everyone sinks. But how do you decide?

It really is just an objective positive. Cheaper then having them on the streets, safer for the general public, and reduces theft. A shame a lot of people have the "not in my backyard" mindset.

The controlled destruction of US ecomania is making more homeless.

First responders in the town I live in also have a bad attitude towards homeless people.

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so can you tell me is the Finnish method working?

@@louiselloyd1523 , yes. it has helped a lot.
I had to add that we don't end up on the street as often as we have an affordable healthcare and education and many understand to be unionized.
To quote from the Wikipedia on the Nordic model.
"American author Ann Jones, who lived in Norway for four years, posits that "the Nordic countries give their populations freedom from the market by using capitalism as a tool to benefit everyone" whereas in the United States "neoliberal politics puts the foxes in charge of the henhouse, and capitalists have used the wealth generated by their enterprises (as well as financial and political manipulations) to capture the state and pluck the chickens.".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

Wise words!

Who'd a thunk that making sure people have got a house to live in stops them being homeless eh? Before we were sold out to reich wing corporate entities by evil thieving c^nts like Thatcher this was standard practice, making sure social housing stocks were adequate was the primary responsibility of every local authority until Thatcher forced those local authorities to sell off their housing stocks at massive losses while stopping them from building replacements creating a housing shortage which created the housing bubble Ponzi scheme that stands in the way of building new even private property as the bubble requires artificial demand. In the UK homelessness was never a major issue until Thatcher, in her first 2 years she put 100,000 people on the streets.

Quite right. Most addicts have houses and can barely function with them. Without the house, virtually no chance to do so. A lot of people complain about "not sleeping in my bed tonight". Well, imagine that problem every day for eternity. Then, think about the last time the house was too cold or too warm and multiply that by a factor of 100 and add that in for eternity. You ever tried to do work at 0 degrees Celsius without proper outerwear or food while coming down from a high? No - it's impossible as you're too busy shivering and being hungry and having psychological/physiological issues from the drugs. All your thoughts are directed to those basic needs. Once your basic needs are met, then you can consider doing things like contributing to society but it's not going to happen the other way around as a rule.

Must have been an adventure as well maybe. ?

@@stevedavis6879 oh, I loved it. In fact I’ve been living in an ordinary house for a couple of years and I’m now thinking about going back to live in my caravan. It has cooking fasciities, it was warm and it has a loo and a proper shower, all in a 6’ 6” x 12’ space - everything I need and no excess, brilliant

@@clareshaughnessy2745 haha brilliant . I'm here in the uk , and homeless is very bad just like anywhere else . All I can say is do what you think and feels right for you .👌

@@stevedavis6879 yeah, I don’t think it’s for everyone. Lots of people like more space or have too much stuff. You have to be incredibly strict about not having anything extraneous to just exactly as much stuff as you need. It just really suits me

The funny thing is "housing first" has been what the us is doing. The part that is present is the supportive services piece. That is where we are failing miserably. I live in CA in a project that is supposed to provide support. I pulled the contracts and found over 1.1 million in misappropriated funds and NO ONE GIVES A DAMN! This issue is NOT if there are funds. The issue is there is NO enforcement and this demographic has no legal voice. The homeless are easy scapegoats! So, those charged with assisting have no real incentive for clients to truly heal. It is a joke!

you can only shake your head at the level of denial that some people have. The only way they can rationalize their pathetic life is to convince themselves that it's someone else's fault. Listen Hammock, rich people and everyone else for that matter are busy with their own lives, and no one else really gives a sh*t about you, outside of a few family and friends. That's the harsh reality that everybody learns on their journey through life, and some people respond to the challenge, and others spend their lives saying woe is me.

@@daleviker5884 " rich people and everyone else for that matter are busy with their own lives, and no one else really gives a sh*t about you"
That is kind of the point...

@@jenkem4464 No, that's not the point. Hammock said, "constantly play us against each other to maintain their structure.", which is not equal to apathy towards others. Jesus, read before posting.

I should have clarified. In context of homelessness, inequality, the current vulture capitalist feudal system we live in the point is the rich don't give a F, correct.

Eh, it's not really an investment on the people, it's more an investment on keeping streets from being clogged by druggies.
It's honestly a lot better for public order if the narcs OD on city apartments if they consistently refuse help.

Yeah well done Finland. I was in Swansea yesterday and noticed how much it has changed, there must have been billions spent on new the buildings. Why isn't there the same spent on buying housing for the homeless in Wales?

​@@strongback6550 We must not forget that the situation on the streets affects the morale of all people, as well as the overall level of crime. So it's still an investment in people.

It’s one culture. It’s easy to fix when the government isn’t going around telling a group of people that they are victims and that all their problems are caused by other people. So we will take care of you . Just lay around and take drugs all day and we will 2:32 feed and take care
of you . United States 🇺🇸 problems are cause by people who want to profit off of other peoples miss fortunes.

Someone needs to pay for it. In the US, taxes fall on a minority. Majority of people pay no federal taxes, so there is more resistance to wealth redistribution. In fact, California has a new proposal that even electricity cost is based on income.

You get it.

So very true.

Stigmatizing people is easier than understanding and helping them. And it has the added bonus of making you feel superior! It just doesn't solve the problem.

your narrative grossly misses the point. homelessness would be much, much less of a problem if its population were only, those simply out of work. that, is a miniscule part of the problem. the overwhelming and vast majority of homeless are drug addicts, alcoholics and the mentally ill voluntarily and purposely off their meds. that you fail to acknowledge that fact identifies you as someone that isn't a fair broker in this argument. you have an agenda. no one, has a right to live on the street. the great majority of the homeless need to be in jail or in hospitals. for their safety and the safety of the rest of society. your viewpoint only succeeds in enabling a broken soul.

@@joe18750 The only polite thing I can say about your stance is that I disagree with you. Please don't talk to me anymore.

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public parks are for people to use for a short time, not to live in permanently. public parks are not permanent camp grounds.

I agree with you. I seriously doubt that the USA wants to solve the problem.

@@you6382tube So you can spend money to implement things so that people don't *_need_* to sleep in the parks or you can be a total cunt like town/city councils in the USA, UK, New Zealand, Australia etc and spend even more money to degrade and punish the people who need to sleep in parks.
Seriously, the USA, UK, New Zealand, Australia and most of the rest of the world should be invaded by Finland and have their governments replaced by someone who actually gives a shit about human beings instead of the filth we've currently got.

​@@ChapmanGriffith Nor do New Zealand, Australia, the UK and most of the rest of the so-called "first world".

Yes a lot of money spent on the arts and things like that

Why should I have that obligation

@@hdjwkrbrnflfnfbrjrmd because you would enjoy someone having that obligation towards you if you were in need of help too

@@Knightgil but I don't need help, I need to not have my money stolen from me.

Good for you, Bob! You are absolutely right. Of course, there are many who would disagree with you. These people are called sociopaths.

@@hdjwkrbrnflfnfbrjrmd There will be an eventuality where you will, in fact, need help. If you maintain this stance by then, don't say you weren't warned.

Their personal income tax rate is 57%. Don't forget that part.
Sales tax of 24%. Corporate tax: 20%, Social Security Rate: 31.55%, GDP of -0.6, GDP growth rate of 0%, inflation 7.9%
Yeah that's a real model of a winning way to do things. Tax the sh*t out of everyone and still go broke. Homelessness is their last concern in Finland, but the guy who made this video has a narrative he's pushing, so he didn't bother explaining any of that. Finland is going broke. Gee... yeah lets run things like them, they're literally going broke.
Because at the end of the day, someone still has to PAY for it all, and they just ran out. Is that how "developed nations" operate? Funny...

Is that 57% figure the _top_ marginal income tax rate in a progressive income tax scale, or is it the only rate? I ask because the top rate, only paid by some and only on part of their income, is often confused for income tax as a whole.
You notice, though, I was not talking about Finland now, but many developed nations in the recent past, including my own. Some public housing was the norm, accepted cross the political spectrum, and existed comfortably alongside robust private enterprise.
Maybe Finland go too far, but these are not either-or questions, and you can scale things according to your own priorities in a mixed economy. Like the author says, despite his narrative, this is not a one-size-fits-all scenario.

@@syberphish Yet Finnish people aren't dying and I don't see news articles talking about the country of Finland going to hell in a handbasket. So despite your random stats, Finland is doing fine.

@@MrBrock314 I didn't say they were dying in the streets, I said they have an uncertain economic future and their outlook isn't as rosy as everyone would suggest.
Further, they restrict entry to only those healthy and capable of working or benefiting their country.
People want us to be like them without that part, but that part is crucial to affording the social systems.

Many of us grew up in public housing…our parents were low income workers were put on a rent buy scheme, it allowed some to work there way up in life, aventurely move on & up in life, others stayed proud staying in there homes.

In other words they created the problem and now pay themselves to keep it going. Then they play smoke and mirrors lying about it and making bank. Another day, another dollar. They are turning the screws on us harder and faster as we speak.

Finland currently has the strictest abortion laws in the Nordic region, which is protecting their unborn citizens (the most vulnerable population). That changes in September 2023. Their decent society is faltering.

@@greenteabear-fb7st I come from Christian family. And people who have a child when they are young teenmoms are looked down upon and the whole family gets ashamed in churches. Because of this secret abortions is skyhigh in Christian Community. Nobody talks about it, while Atheists accept their child moms and support them growing up the kids. Did you knew this? Did you knew the most abortions are actually done by Christians in USA secretly ? Because of shame?

​​@@greenteabear-fb7st The Marin government (who introduced the relaxation of the abortion laws, along with allowing mass migration leading to high crime rates) has been ousted, the Finns party, the right wing coalition and the Finnish Christian party will now be in control and they have very strong stances on these positions, so there is a good chance that those laws will not take place, along with much strichter laws for migrant crimes.
We hope to see Finland retain it's name as the safest, highly homogeneous country in Europe.

​@@einar6229 ah, good. Theocratic racists. My favorite.

​@@redjack2629 I see you like diverse criminals. How strong and brave

Getting harrassed daily. Told them hey! Disability in Californua is $11k a year. Im not getting a freebie. All of it A L L of it only pays my share of the rent and utilities. Nothing for personal products, food, entertainment, haircuts, travel, a phone, internet, clothing, shoes, laundry. But yeah listen to the divide and conquer slandering politicians doing this to us all and take it out on innocent folk. The slurs against the disabled, old, young, sick and homeless is unrelenting...oh they cause all the homlessness and crime! Not even. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. All of them came back from Davos and? Ancient war tictacs against us....lay off all thevtech workers. Too uppity expecting those yuge paychecks!, da nurve! Eating into our yuge profits? Not on! We hired them at minimum wage. Supposed to stay there. How dare they unionise and educate themselves to human rights!, not having it! Unemployed now, ha ha. Covid was supposed to kill a huge swath. Hmm God is real, we are still here! Oops to them. Hee hee. We've been poisoning the water and food so they get obese so have to live on our $$$ expensive big pharma meds. Then the diabetics die sooner bwahaha! We own the funeral homes too., all the hospitals, colleges, gas companies, banks, food manufacturing, fossil fuel, ore companies, mining, energy companies. We've got them choked off. We're rolling in the green backs oh yeah! We own the media and politicians. The airlines, military.They think their 'vote' counts? Lol!
Sinister. Ungodly. Greedy. Unseemly. Put God first, rely on His providence.
Rupert Murdoch fired one and called off the engagement to another, Mr Fox in the henhouse of our lives. Why? They both pray to God. He does not. They say all the words they think we want to hear to get what they want. They stir division at every turn, race baiting, economic differences, inciting riots and distrust. Chess board of us humans v them. Be learned, be wise.
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Exactly what happened to me. Im "waiting on a dream" as Im applying for disability. Hiding out and sleeping behind churches is no option as they are very hostile towards homeless when it comes to seeking refuge form the rain. Shocking really. I have to carry a 30 to 40 pound backpack with a severe low back injury (4 times over 20 years). Florida wants you to vanish if you become houseless.

@@DVincentW I’m so sorry, and I hope your housing comes through soon. I did get section 8 once after 9 years but couldn’t find anyone to take it and I still had to come up with a deposit, which is impossible when you make under $1,000 a month. I was lucky that two of my sisters also took me in and now am in a steady relationship, and we live together.

​@@middlelle sometimes you gotta move out of the village , Cali is too expensive. Waiting 9 yrs . You could have headed east . I can't even afford to visit Cali.

People could help BEFORE people end up homeless

@@pcopeland15 Most homelessness isn't pre-planned so there's not much of an option to help before. Most homeless became homeless quickly by doing things like getting evicted or being on highly addicting drugs (oxycontin, heroin, meth, etc) which debilitate the user in a matter of days to weeks. The other option is losing your job which leads to losing your house/apartment quickly (see getting evicted).
Most middle-income workers don't have the kind of cash flow to help another person out with their lack of housing and they don't have the space in their house to bring in other people. If you grew up with a house with a spare room for guests, congrats on living a life of privilege that most don't have.

Yeah cool stick all the drug addicts and drunks and mentally ill in a big old mall then expect AMAZON to HIRE THEM to deliver our valuable shit. . Then throw in some mothers with children. OH HEY just like NOW the shelters they REFUSE TO USE. YOU DEMOCRATS did away with institutionalizing that element back in the 1960s under Kennedy, dopes. Now it's BACK.

Defund CBC and conevrt the monolith building into housing for homeless. Also turn over theoffice space accupied by civil servants into homes for the homeless. And defund civil service to pay for it. Yes, we can do it. Then there wll be room for ex-civil servnts who may need it haha

There's a converted mall here on RUclips with tiny home apartments and a built in community feel. Good idea!

This is true, but Housing First is one of the most consistent first steps toward solving each person's needs. Imagine having mental health or drug addiction issues, but not having a place to live. You already struggle with sleepless nights, inconsistent nutrition, and further don't have any stable place from night to night. You have no address, your life is unpredictable...how likely are you to stay in rehab, or pursue mental healthcare if some days you just need to deal with shelter, or food? And all this while your mind isn't working to your advantage.
Thus Housing First is huge first step for the majority of homeless people looking to get off the street.

This! I feel like while the Finnish model sounds great, it completely ignores the fact that humans will always try to maximize their benefits with the least amount of effort and this Finnish model made no mention of how it politely forces recipients to become participating members of society contributing back to the system that saved them. That system cannot sustain itself for any other homeless people if it is increasingly supporting a class of "freeloaders" (for lack of a better term) who have no incentive or requirement to hold a job and move on to independent living. What will end up happening is people living on the edge will CHOOSE to be homeless knowing they'll live better as a subsidized citizen and everyone else who isn't homeless grows resentful knowing their tax dollars are supporting a class of non-workers who appear to be functioning well enough to re-enter the workforce but choose not to.
One person even commented that their county adopted the Finnish program and how they're happy to be drug free and make YT videos all day, sing, play guitar, etc. but made no mention about their employment status. How are you contributing back to the system so that it can sustain itself for others in need? Have you transitioned to independent living so the next person in need gets the care you got?
I'm not trying to bash anyone, but it's the one thing I've always found fault with liberal policies is that it has this happy-go-lucky idealistic view of humanity that completely ignores real human nature.

Truth!

Y’all are the problem. I’m in Dallas too and the blank stares on their faces are oblivious… plus Republicans since Reagan have cut rehab funding for decades making this problem. You ever notice how so many are around hospitals? Because Republicans cut funding so hospitals simply roll and dump them on streets!

Haha this is the problem…. Americans have this nasty perspective when it comes to working and contributing. Finland and Europe as a whole has a society that thinks differently about work and arent trying to maximize on screwing over the system or worries about people who are. Americans problem with homeless people is they think they are freeloaders and would rather not help them vs help them. It all comes to the people, the law only reflects the attitude of them people. Especially in places like NY or CA

Homelessness is NOT a choice. 83% of American families are one paycheck away from homelessness and that is a PRECOVID statistic. The root cause isthe shortage of affordable housing.7.3 million houses are needed for lower income families and a middle wage income is no longer a guareentee that you will not be.homeless. If you think drug addictio is the major force behind homeless ness, think again. Of the 650,000 homeless in our nation only 19% have drug laddiction. Housing lfirst and universal income have been proven to help people get off the streets and not cycle back into homelessnrss.

I don't know what the point of "civilization" is if we aren't taking care of our most vulnerable people

But supporting people who should disables them

As long as there is a plan of action and they are participating

In the same way that section 8 has been abused so much that most landlords don't want to accept housing vouchers from anybody even if you're Senior & Disabled like I am.

The Finnish are taking advantage of it. Did you watch the video? Very few people ever go from the government subsidized housing into independent housing. They basically live at state expense their entire lives.

@@mirzaahmed6589 This is life from my taxes. I would accept lower taxes to afford to spend time not as a work slave. why should I work for almost the same level as other get for free?

​@@ZenioDovgj if you're a Finnish citizen you too can stop working and get government sponsored cheap housing anytime you want! the option is available for everybody. you would probably need to prove that you don't have money for anything else though, so you should get rid of all of your possessions and job, first.

@@mirzaahmed6589 Some take advantage and stay in that kinda housing solution on purpose. But there are also people who try to sober up and get a job - but its not easy when "friends" around the person are still using and because you don't have work history its not easy to get a decent job either. So not getting back to independent housing isn't only because the ex-homeless wants to abuse the system - it might just be that no one is giving them a chance to get better.

Prevention is better than cure. We need to identify the red flags ahead of homelessness to help people maintain their independence and never become homeless.

I'm sorry to say but the mental health services here in Finland are so overbooked, to the point the lines to get treatment are so long that its literally illegal. you're supposed to get help within 6 months from requesting it (which is frankly already ridiculous), but sometimes you actually have to wait literal years for it. you can of course go private... if you can afford it. This system would actually work pretty well if you were to be able to get good care from mental health services in a more reasonable time frame, say a month, but until the government stops being a bunch of clueless wankers, things are likely to just get worse AND more expensive at the same time

@@AURORAFIELDS I bet that while the rich get richer the government complains that it cant afford the healthcare and wants to make it privatized.

I find it to be very compassionate and logical. I love the Finnish

They have only 5 million people

Yeah!! As a finn i must say the cold weather/conditions for sure has affected the 'nordic way' of thinking and doing for example taking care of the homeless people in Finland and the other nordic countries.

​@@milamoilanen5566Finland also wasn't involved in the transatlantic slave trade as the U.S. was, and doesn't have all the residual issues that have come with that legacy, let's be real. Is the right-wing as radicalized over there as they are here? Do you even have a right-wing governing party? Is there a Fox News?

As a Finn I want to add that we are all quite similar in this respect among the 5 Nordic countries.

​@hurri7720 and please vote to stop immigration so we can at least have our Nordic culture preserved. I believe all cultures should be saved, not forced to coexist

Isn’t Finland broke?

@@astra6712 They are doing great. And welfare suckers are doing great.
But as a person who works hard and pays a ton of taxes I get the same level, or probably even less attention and services from the county. Because I'm "not poor enough". That's fine if you like some sort of not failed communism. I guess it works as long as the country is rich.

It works because their population is homogeneous. Almost 95% are White European Fins. It will not work in the US as certain race that makes up 15% of the population commits half the crime and other issues.

The housing unit I was in was about 30ish apartments, and the only person on site was just the lady you gave rent to. If we could stop politicians from stealing the shit out of all our money maybe we could have a support system like that. Makes all the difference.

I reacted the way you did. My mouth dropped when I heard the social workers and support.

How about churches who claim to be Christians but don't help others, only tell people to tithe while the preachers live like their millionaire's wearing expensive suits, drive multiple cars, outlandish jewelry and other things! The bible says if you see someone that is in need would you help or would you pass them by! Many pass them by or give them spiritual pamphlets and they think they are doing God's work!! That is a sin in itself! 🙏

Lol, so go there then. I'm happy here in the USA without socialism, thanks 😅

@@fiddlepants5947 That's a typical American response, but it doesn't solve the problem 😞

​@@fiddlepants5947 typical American 🤦

Homelessness is a problem. The solution is....a home. Counterintuitive. Not really. Common sense is not common practice. Good on you, Sweden!

This problem should not be solved through socialism or the government. This is a role for the church.

🙄 SEATTLE - On Tuesday, the city of Seattle announced plans to shut down the Licton Springs tiny village in 2019. Licton Springs is one of eight tiny house villages around the city that serve approximately 350 homeless people every night. It has been in operation since 2017, providing residents access to shelter, restrooms, showers, kitchen and case management. As a "low barrier" encampment, residents do not have to be clean or sober to live there. In the spring, the city extended the permit for an additional year, despite concerns raised by people who live near the village that it has led to an increase in crime.
According to Seattle Police records obtained by KIRO 7, crime in Licton Springs increased 100 percent in just one year. During the same time-period, crime in the larger area covered by the North Precinct dropped 7 percent.

They're against building code.

@@mikeajames9261 more than that, most homeless "communities" have extremely high rates of assault and sexual assault, drug addiction, communicable diseases, etc. But liberals don't want to fix the actual issues they want to put them in a pocket in a corner of the city to rot

homelessness in america is often by choice, this speaks to a deeper issue than lack of housing

​@@cagneybillingsley2165 I can't imagine anyone 'choosing' to be homeless however attitudinal Entitlement *is* a choice.

One major problem with religious based shelters is that it entails proselytizing. No one wants to be preached at. Homelessness cannot simply be prayed away. Homeless people need homes, not housing. The reason any given individual is homeless is not because of a lack of faith in jesus. They are homeless because of a lack of money to afford a roof over their heads. Belief in god is not going to get them off the streets.

@@dingusdingus2152 Nobody said belief in God will get people off the street nor implied it. But as a religious organization, part of their mission is to spread their faith. And part of their ministry in spreading their faith is to do what Jesus said and provide for the poor and the needy. The organizations don't force you to convert for their help. Their just there to help. And if you want to learn about their faith, they offer to teach you. Some people do in fact want to hear preaching.

@@1000rogueleader they are not "just there to help". They are actively trying to convert people so as to get warm bodies through the turnstiles. That is why religious organizations exist and no other reason. What's insidious about preaching AT homeless people is that it is coercive: those who want to stay the night in the shelter are essentially captive, entering into an unspoken acceptance of certain terms and conditions. Salvation army wants to win hearts and minds? Save the sermons and have the staff band (they have a band which is basically like a symphony orchestra but with only brass instruments) come and perform a full length concert...

​@Dingus Dingus the salvation army don't aim to convert, they aim to help others first as having an alterior motive while helping others is not true altusim...

@@rebeccaconlon9743 alterior is not a word. Maybe you meant ulterior. The salvation army's proselytizing is real slick and sneaky. But my point still stands: nobody wants to be preached at, nobody wants to hear sermons...

Great, but in America, at least half of homeless are schizophrenic or similar, often who refuse to take medication. We need more mental institutions.

​@@GUITARTIME2024 but the institutions need to ACTUALLY support them instead of just warehousing them. Supporting them includes providing the following- food, medical care (properly), counseling services, if needed then drug therapy, giving them a means to feel useful aka a job at the very least within the institution. Also, a thing that prevents much of forward movement from being homeless to a contributing member of society is that people need an address to get income and identification, people need income to get an address and identification and people need identification to get an address and income. Once these three things are obtained then often drug usage will fizzle out to more responsible "fixes" like video games or working, mental health issues can often be treated better by having a stable housing environment and getting actual medical care can help with maintaining chronic health issues.

You sound like a real parasite. And I don't believe for one second that you aren't doing drugs.

In Finland we have highest amounts of schizophrenia in the world. Especially in the eastern parts of the country. Our bad genes have not prevented us from housing people with mental health problems. And it has to be housing, as the goal has been to keep the mwntal health patients as part of the society.

This is basically long term care. I live under the same arrangement and since there’s a waiting list for public housing, assisted living provides me with complete care for a small rent and I’m happy.

In so many ways!!

Have you been around people who are suffering from addictions or mental illness? This process only works for people who aren't suffering from either and are simply down on their luck. And for people in that category I'd argue it would work very well. People who are suffering from addictions will use their housing as either brothels or crack houses. The goal is to feed the addiction. Nothing else. People who suffer from mental illness will not self medicate to manage their illness. They also will likely not do self care. And in both scenarios the homes provided will likely not be kept cleaned or maintained. Eventually everything gets soiled, bug infestations occur, and the repairs to the building exceed what anybody would consider a good return on the investment.
Neither category of person will be able to hold a steady job so they simply aren't goin to find work. Employers want people they can trust. Not people who are unreliable or will steal from them to feed their drug habits.
And then of course there is the gang element. Finland likely doesn't have a gang culture. The US does. So yes, the gangs are going to find ways to manipulate the system to bring this free housing to their advantage.

It's my understand that Norway does this, as well, and has probably one of the most compassionate and reasonable prisoner rehabilitation programs on the planet. It's not just Norway, although they're doing a good job, as well.

​@@superdave8248hit the nail on the head.

@@le_th_ Having worked in the adult corrections In the US I can honestly say the system is setup for failure. Movies like the "Shawshank Redemption" might indicate that their are social programs and half way homes for incarcerated people to transition through to get readjusted to modern society, but I can honestly say these programs aren't at the level needed. For example, in my state we did have a prison facility specifically to transition non-violent inmates back into society. The facility didn't even have fences or patroling armed guards. Their entire arsenal could have fit in a small gun vault. But that same facility shut down some +15 years ago. And nothing took its place.
The inmates are basically cut lose with the resources they have back to their families. And yeah, I've seen men who spent over 20 years in prison who have never even used a cell phone in their life be set free.
And as for those on parole ... everyone I have seen who got arrested for violating patrol all had the exact same violation. A failure to pay their parole fees because they could not find work.
There was one case in particular that opened my eyes to how bad the US system was. Guy arrested for violating his parole. He was actually arrested at his place of employment working a minimum wage job. And why was he arrested? Because members of an opposing gang claimed he had robbed them. That all it took for him to violate his parole was the sworn statement from two people who had every reason to lie about him. I have no idea if the DA eventually dropped the case or not, but the damage was done. The guy lost the only job he probably could hope to land as a convicted felon.
So I bring this as a cautionary tale. That if you think somebody who is a drug addict, mentally ill, or has been incarcerated can actually become a functional member of society while they transition through their issue I'd say you are crazy. Because at the end of the day, the employer needing them isn't going to trust them to do right by them. And yes, I'd argue that system is setup to create failure.

Its NEARLY impossible to be productive in society without a home.

"Any society that cannot remove it's waste dies." William Gayley Simpson.

This why I believe all homeless people should move to the South of France. If you are going to be a bum, then you might as well be a bum in Sun.

I think that could be an important factor here.

And when your personal income tax rate is 57%. Don't leave that part out.
Sales tax of 24%. Corporate tax: 20%, Social Security Rate: 31.55%, GDP of -0.6, GDP growth rate of 0%, inflation 7.9%
Yeah that's a real model of a winning way to do things. Tax the sh*t out of everyone and still go broke. Homelessness is their last concern in Finland, but the guy who made this video has a narrative he's pushing, so he didn't bother explaining any of that.

@@syberphish The 57% rate you quoted is the highest possible income tax percentage in Finland that you pay when you earn more than a million euros a year! Finland has progressive income tax so you pay according to what you earn, the range is 0-57%. The average income in Finland for a full-time job is about 45000€ per year, with an income tax of about 30%. The median salary is a little lower. What you get is free education (that's ALL education, including master's and doctorate degrees in university), free universal health care, free child care, a social welfare system, equality, a clean and safe country, etc etc. Don't leave that part out ;)

same, I lived with my mother when I was an adult and was considered homeless as well 😂Which put me in the front of the apartment queue when I decided I was ready to move out.

Yeah, a big portion of those homeless statistics don't sleep on the streets.

That's the opposite of strict.
A strict definition whould do shit like exclude anyone sleeping in a house even if its a condemmed ruin.

That means the definition is lax, not strict.

@@endlesstrash4718 Exactly what I was thinking.

After COVID, many homeless are non-vets.

Veterans are the only real people that should be given help if they ask. Because they already gave.
All others...we gave you free school, free health care in school and took care of you until you were 18. If you chose to do drugs, be lazy then I don't care if you starve to death, just not in front of my house.

​@@mutteringmale If it's pure laziness yes, I agree. The problem is that laziness or ineptitude most often stems from mental illness. Since the amercian social security net is a joke and access to rehabilitation and care is non-existent to these people (veterans included), most are bound to be homeless for life or fall into addiction to cope. It's sad that the so called "leader of the free world" treat their own vulnerable citizens like shit, and then expects the rest of the world to take them seriously.

@@denninosyos McNamara had to scrape the bottom of the barrel during 1960 to keep up his endless war in Vietnam, so he lowered the standards down to "retarded, criminal, mentally ill " and more.
We see that on our streets now.
The army is scraping the barrel again now, they're letting any mow rohn in and your kids will be seeing them as "homeless vets" in about 20 years, and paying massive taxes for them.

sounds ok

​@@mrs.lilianfetters1432not for the people that have to look at their disgusting mess everywhere

This only applies to Southern California. The L.A. area. In Northern California it gets cold in the winter. Not freezing, but cold for sure.

People do not choose homelessness due to good weather.

I was just in San Diego last month, it was fairly chilly. The beach was even colder. The Finland method would be very expensive in most cities in California as the small 1200sf house we rented was bought for over a million.

I see where you're coming from here, and there are some commenters here whose help from their families were what they needed to get themselves out of the cycle. I think it's also important to remember that for some of the homeless - primarily the ones with serious addictions, it was their families that were the most traumatized and often victimized by the person that is now homeless and needs help. I can't really blame families in those situations for not being willing/able to help. They may never be able to provide help to their relative lest they re-enter their own unhealthy cycle of enabling and this kind of family dynamic happens more than many realize.

@@dmbr111 100% agree. Families are not always able to help without being victimized themselves. Great point!

After visiting Finland, take a stroll through downtown Salt Lake City and see how it works there. The locals will help you if you ask.

It's a nice way of saying "You better help or else I think your families a bunch of worthless, hopeless, nair-do-well horrors" rolled into one final sentence.
I took my brother in when he was dealing with severe Mental Health issues. Trouble is, he nearly burned down my house. To make a long story short, I am the family taking people in that you speak of. It isn't an answer to the problem, especially when you consider those with MI are willing and able to turn anywhere they live into a pigsty without grounds for mandatory MI Treatment or intervention. He is a dangerous person when he does not have meds, and only putting him in permanent State Guardianship made it possible for him to not: Kill himself, threaten to kill others, die of a preventable disease, or kill/harm others while carrying a contagious disease. It shouldn't have taken the long arm of the law to get him the type of help he needed, and your brand of thinking is what perpetuates the cycle.

If you're fascinated with this topic, and your'e a sociologist... perhaps you can explain this part to me.
2023 Finnish Personal Income Tax: 56.95%, Corporate Tax Rate: 20%, Sales Tax Rate: 24%, SocSec Rate: 31.55%, SS Rate Companies: 20%, SS Employees: 10.89%, GDP: -0.6, GDP Growth: 0%, Inflation: 7.9%
Because everyone is saying how well this works...but they're taxing the ever-loving tar out of their populace; and they're still going broke.
That's what happens when you run out of other people's money to live off of.
It's also why this is all a pipe-dream without a means to PAY for it. Finland is learning that now. Why is everyone else in such a rush to repeat the same mistake over, and over, and over??? Helloooo, it doesn't work!!
But you're the sociologist... you explain why Finland's entire economy is collapsing. Last year their growth rate was 1.6, now it's 0. Their business confidence is listed at "-13". A negative number. How is this a winning example of the type of model everyone should follow?

They are funny.
You are homeless, don't want to do anything - here you go, free home, free money.
You are a mass murderer - here you go, free cell-like flat, free food, free education, constant attention, probably millions spent on you.
You work hard - you pay highest taxes, you pay for everything, you receive lower level of services as you aren't poor enough.
🤑

Somehow, it does seem obvious.

It works because their population is homogeneous. Almost 95% are White European Fins.

@@matrixace_8903 Even the immigrants have jobs and homes. What's your point?

​@@paullangford8179 it's raðer common to have solutions feel obvious when ðey are revealed but not before

It is...America is a long way away from being humane...

This only works with civilized people. In my country there are a lot of people from different cultures that keep demolishing their homes they got from the government. Then the homes are declared unlivable, and they get new homes and they cycle begins again...
Some people are just too anti-social in their mindset, it just wouldn't work.
This works in Finland only because the population is (still) very homogenous and in their culture people know how to behave decently. Let's see if it's still working in 10, 20 years when the number of foreigners from non-western cultures has risen above a certain threshold...

@@anniestumpy9918 loving the racist/xenophobic undertones in this comment (huge sarcasm). Vandalism happens across all people groups, and I'm sure as hell there are other reasons why certain people groups seem to do some things more than others - other than cultural.
Besides, calling Finland "homogenous" as if we haven't had ethnic (as in genetics/language/culture) minority groups for centuries (if not longer) who are still discrimated against or otherwise mistreated in the general culture - or simply not talked or thought about enough. (Three that come to mind first are the sami, karelians and romani.) Finland used to be more diverse between regions before nationalism and standardization of language + culture happened - some regions would've had such strong dialect differences that people wouldn't necessarily been able to understand each other.

​@@sammalsikuri3828 Do you think all cultures are worth the same?

@@anniestumpy9918 As long as the culture doesn't involve hurting others, yes, I don't see why they wouldn't be. Saying some are better than others just doesn't make sense to me, when they're simply different.
Can cultures have harmful or problematic aspects to them? Yes. Does this apply to all cultures that exist? Definitely! Culture is inherently diverse and complex, as are humans and their environments. The thought of everyone conforming to a few specific cultures sounds absolutely horrible to me- cultures are interesting because they are diverse. Isn't that why many white americans today still cling onto their heritage, claiming they are x nationality instead of being, well, plain white american? 🤔 either way, I don't see a point in your question. Claiming one culture to supposedly have more value than the other just sounds xenophobic.

Shared culture and norms help a lot too. It's easier to have collective responsibility about your society when there is not an underclass of people from different origins.
It's much easier to care for your fellow man when they look like you, act like you and share your language and culture.
Any country can solve homelesness by having a logic based problem solving approach and enough trust in their fellow countrymen that if they are taken care of now (when they struggle), they will contribute to society and are thus worth it.
If you want a conflict for your book, start by erroding that trust.

@@B1gLupu oh there’s plenty of conflict prior to this point in history in the book world. The only book where ‘housing first’ is applied is the last one after one last terrible war that was on a scale so large that an inter-dimensional cosmic being had to come over and shush it.
There’s multiple books earlier in the series where the rules of the world are forcibly changed between each.
The last book is more of a history/slice-of-life about how the latest era started and how the world rebuilt from the rubble left behind.

I have a feeling that this system works as long as the county is rich enough, has abundant resources, low corruption and the number of "receivers" is low enough.
Frankly speaking, I always wondered how it even works there. I know several couples from Finland. One guy doesn't work for the last 14 months (manufacturing) and continues to receive his pay. He doesn't want to go to work as he is so happy with his payments and enjoys life. Second couple works hard in hotel cleaning industry, but they enjoyed their life much more when they lived from welfare.

@@ZenioDovgj the secret is to spend smartly. Finland doesn't have super hig taxes and the cost of living isn't crazy high byeuropean standards, it's all about getting the most out of the spending. Probably also helps having very little corruption, hig trust in the government and very low levels of tax evation.

@@jakobrosenqvist4691 The first tax calculator gives me a tax rate of
48.7% in Finland for my level of income. I hope it's not as bad. But I know that I won't receive the corresponding amount of services unless I quit and decide to receive unemployment 😅 This is the exact reason my coworker "fled" Sweden. But yeah, it's not bad if you enjoy a simple life. The bad thing is that everything is equalized, so you're not encouraged to work hard to gain more.

@@ZenioDovgj if you end up with a tax rate like that in finland you are quite welthy and you will have plenty of disposable income. I end up with 18-20% and I make enough to live quite comfortably. In sweden I would pay 33%.

​@@ZenioDovgj after the WW2 Finland was very poor country. This approach has been one of the main factors that has made Finland what it is today.

We treated homeless people before the same way.I am so happy that those cruel times exist no more in Finland.

Many things are super obvious. Just like nobody wants to be a criminal. And people mostly come into criminality due to having a difficult life, money problems. End up in jail, in Norway you can get free education and get your diploma in jail. And they help you find a job. Get your life back together. There are 2 people, people with a bad history, bad influence in the past, and people who have a mental illness.

Wow. What an amazing friend. And what an idea! A citizen helping another citizen. Maybe we don’t need the government to take care of us if we could take care of ourselves and each other.

@NDTrades omg you're so right because we as citizens are all so good at heart, we make so much money (all of us--enough to pay for others entire lives), we all have our own houses too, and we don't pay taxes while the millionaires and billionaires all pay taxes! Yes! You're so smart! Let's do that! I appreciate you bestowing all of this wisdom upon me. Thank you 🙏🏻

@@selispeks Why the sarcasm? And what wisdom did I bestow? I have been in some very dark and grim situations in life. And to be helped by a friend to get out of that situation was a beautiful thing. And I am happy for you. I try to do the same to all that are in need to the best that I can. Let's all love one another and help each other. There would be no need for a government or a state to take care of the people if the people took care of themselves.

The issue in the US is that we have a population of exponentially larger than Finland. They also have an extremely homogeneous population. And they don’t allow the entire third world to come and take advantage of their welfare state.

@@ndtrades9650 It would be easier to take care of ourselves and others if corporate America was not stealing our money and life.